Jordan Montgomery 2020 thread

[HelloNewman]

Let's get it going. Very encouraging. Looked great in innings 1 and 2, scuffled in 3 and 4 but was able to make the pitches to minimize damage, breezed through inning 5, probably could have gotten through 6 but I have no kick with Boone bringing in Green with 2 outs.

Just a hunch but I have a feeling he's going to turn out to be important. Maybe not Pettitte 1996 important, but important.

[sjb23]

If Montgomery stays healthy and effective, my guess is the Yanks might let Paxson walk after the season and try and re-sign Tanaka for 3 years.

If they can keep Haap's vesting options from kicking in, potentially we're looking at a pretty good rotation of Cole-Severino-Tanaka-Montgomery-German. Backing them up is King, Schmidt, Loaisiga and more on the way.

The money saved on the rotation could be used to extend/obtain some position players or add to the bullpen, as Kahnle will probably not be able to contribute in 2021.

[J-Rhod0406]

If Montgomery stays healthy and effective, my guess is the Yanks might let Paxson walk after the season and try and re-sign Tanaka for 3 years.

If they can keep Haap's vesting options from kicking in, potentially we're looking at a pretty good rotation of Cole-Severino-Tanaka-Montgomery-German. Backing them up is King, Schmidt, Loaisiga and more on the way.

The money saved on the rotation could be used to extend/obtain some position players or add to the bullpen, as Kahnle will probably not be able to contribute in 2021.

I think there is no way the Yankees allow Happ's vesting option kick in, especially if he is going to pitch the way he is.

Agree on Tanaka vs Paxton.

[Sixty one]

Can Montgomery be the next great Yankee lefty if he stays healthy? He seems to have all the tools to be great and he is young!

[ajra21]

"Great"? Probably not.

A solid part of the rotation? Sure.

I really like him.

[matt2351]

Can Montgomery be the next great Yankee lefty if he stays healthy? He seems to have all the tools to be great and he is young!

I don't see great. Just being good and not getting injured would be nice.

[ymike673]

I don't see great. Just being good and not getting injured would be nice.

Yes, definitely would sign off on that.

[bucky]

I've been a fan of his since the rookie year. What I want to add is his composure. I don't have the details. When he made that error (off the glove he was turning to throw to second) for the double play to get out of the inning (one out and 2 on), like 50 pitches, resulted in loading the bases with one out. He was dominant and got out of it. No Larry to the mound, No breakdown, Boone let him pitch (like a nice manager). I am impressed with Monty.

[ThePinStripes]

It's hard to home grow an ace, but if the Yankees can home a few solid, middle of the rotation pitchers, they can go out and buy TOR type pitchers while leaving plenty for the bullpen and position players.

[Hitman23]

I’ve always considered Montgomery to be a guy that can be a Mike Mussina type pitcher. I’m glad he has a chance with Severino and German out. And with the way Paxton is going he may wind up being our number three. I know that’s a lot to put on him but I just have this gut feeling that I can’t shake. If I’m right he’ll be a huge asset.

I feel like many here are undervaluing his potential. He’s not going to be a flame flower but the dude is solid, he can strike guys out and get out of trouble, and is rarely hit really hard.

[smckdwn989]

I’ve always considered Montgomery to be a guy that can be a Mike Mussina type pitcher. I’m glad he has a chance with Severino and German out. And with the way Paxton is going he may wind up being our number three. I know that’s a lot to put on him but I just have this gut feeling that I can’t shake. If I’m right he’ll be a huge asset.

I feel like many here are undervaluing his potential. He’s not going to be a flame flower but the dude is solid, he can strike guys out and get out of trouble, and is rarely hit really hard.

Mussina was an ace during a solid stretch in his career. I don't think that'll ever be Monty. However, I can definitely see him as a solid #3. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.

[Hitman23]

Mussina was an ace during a solid stretch in his career. I don't think that'll ever be Monty. However, I can definitely see him as a solid #3. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Montgomery certainly isn’t overpowering. But he’s quite smart and has a lot of control. Plus he knows how to strike guys out without the high 90s stuff. I think he will wind up being very good assuming he stays healthy. I think he could top out at Mussina-type stuff.

[1936-1939JoeNLou]

Monty reminds me of Pettitte. Both lefties, low 90s fastball, both throw cutters, curveballs and change ups.

[Melancynic]

Up to 95 with that changeup and two solid breaking balls from the left side. May not be "overpowering" but his velo is nothing to sneeze at from the left side. Ever since he hit AAA he's had plus FB velo and that cambio. Will age well and could be a mid-rotation stalwart if he stays healthy.

[ajra21]

Monty reminds me of Pettitte. Both lefties, low 90s fastball, both throw cutters, curveballs and change ups.

Monty, as much as I like him, isn’t really like Andy other than being left-handed.

Mussina was an ace during a solid stretch in his career. I don't think that'll ever be Monty. However, I can definitely see him as a solid #3. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Agreed. He’s even further from Moose, who was an ace for a major chunk of his career including the age that Monty is right now.

[Hitman23]

You guys will see. If he stays healthy I would bank on him being compared to Mussina. His intelligence on the mound coupled with beating hitters with low 90s stuff is there. He knows how to strike guys out and he's not tossing 100mph. This was Mussina on the Yankees. I stand behind what I said.

[Yankee Tripper]

Monty, as much as I like him, isn’t really like Andy other than being left-handed.

Agreed. He’s even further from Moose, who was an ace for a major chunk of his career including the age that Monty is right now.

Other than the pickoff move I see a lot of similarities. Not that that means Monty will have the success of Pettitte but I clearly see similarities in their, build, velocity, pitches types thrown, styles and sequencing of batters.


Totally agree on Moose, I don't see the similarities at all between him an Monty other than they were both Yankee pitchers.

[1936-1939JoeNLou]

Monty, as much as I like him, isn’t really like Andy other than being left-handed.



Agreed. He’s even further from Moose, who was an ace for a major chunk of his career including the age that Monty is right now.

How do you figure? They have essentially the same repertoire, similar velocities, and can be expected to put up similar numbers.

If we were talking about Randy Johnson compared to Pettitte, I would understand your point.

[kan_t]

You guys will see. If he stays healthy I would bank on him being compared to Mussina. His intelligence on the mound coupled with beating hitters with low 90s stuff is there. He knows how to strike guys out and he's not tossing 100mph. This was Mussina on the Yankees. I stand behind what I said.

Depends on which Moose you're talking about. When Moose first signed with the Yankees, he's an ace. His breaking stuff was one of the best in the league. He could overpower hitters with his low 90s stuff not only because of his intelligence but also his knuckle curve which was a plus plus pitch and all-time great command. Monty so far hasn't shown that he has one plus plus breaking pitch and his command couldn't compare to Moose.

[Hitman23]

Depends on which Moose you're talking about. When Moose first signed with the Yankees, he's an ace. His breaking stuff was one of the best in the league and Monty simply doesn't have those pitches.

I'm talking about Moose when he had to deal with low 90s stuff. Not when he was a bonafide ace on the O's and his first years with the Yankees. I tried to make that clear before but it apparently didn't come across that way. Basically the guy who won 20 games at the end of his career.

[primetime714]

I'm talking about Moose when he had to deal with low 90s stuff. Not when he was a bonafide ace on the O's and his first years with the Yankees. I tried to make that clear before but it apparently didn't come across that way. Basically the guy who won 20 games at the end of his career.

That's a high bar. Moose at the end of his career was probably the smartest and most adaptable pitchers in the game or even all time. He had like 5 different pitches (FB, Cutters, Sinker, Curve, Slow/Knuckle Curve, maybe even a rare slider) those last few years of his career. He'd even invent new stuff mid-game sometimes. Early career Moose is almost a more attainable standard to live up to.

[Melancynic]

How do you figure? They have essentially the same repertoire, similar velocities, and can be expected to put up similar numbers.

If we were talking about Randy Johnson compared to Pettitte, I would understand your point.

How do you figure?

Pettitte was FB/cutter and slider dominant in terms of repertoire and backed it up with a loopy average curveball as a change of pace/speed He was a master of getting inside on righties and jamming them.

Monty is more of a pitchability type with 4 pitches around ML average and his best pitch since being drafted is likely his changeup. Andy never really threw a changeup b/c it didn't work with his cutter release point. He has equal or better velocity to Andy but Monty is more about locating and finesse than Andy who could overpower hitters by breaking their bats and being much more aggressive pitching inside.

[ajra21]

Other than the pickoff move I see a lot of similarities. Not that that means Monty will have the success of Pettitte but I clearly see similarities in their, build, velocity, pitches types thrown, styles and sequencing of batters.


Totally agree on Moose, I don't see the similarities at all between him an Monty other than they were both Yankee pitchers.

How do you figure? They have essentially the same repertoire, similar velocities, and can be expected to put up similar numbers.

If we were talking about Randy Johnson compared to Pettitte, I would understand your point.

Melancynic beat me to it.

How do you figure?

Pettitte was FB/cutter and slider dominant in terms of repertoire and backed it up with a loopy average curveball as a change of pace/speed He was a master of getting inside on righties and jamming them.

Monty is more of a pitchability type with 4 pitches around ML average and his best pitch since being drafted is likely his changeup. Andy never really threw a changeup b/c it didn't work with his cutter release point. He has equal or better velocity to Andy but Monty is more about locating and finesse than Andy who could overpower hitters by breaking their bats and being much more aggressive pitching inside.

[sjb23]

I sure would like to see Jordan throw six strong innings tonight and leave with a lead. I'm looking for an improved curve ball and for a more over-the-top release point on all his pitches.

[jbell025]

Melancynic beat me to it.

The Pettitte comparisons that Montgomery were getting from the start were always lazy media analysis. "A homegrown lefty? He reminds me of Andy!"