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    Jim Kaat ?

    Why isnít he in the Hall Of Fame? He has close to 300 wins! Does he have too many losses?

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    "Compiler."

    Had 4 or 5 years that were more or less HOF-worthy, but spread them out over 13 or 14 years. Before that, after that and in between, a decent grinder of a pitcher who had a talent for sticking around.
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    Re: Jim Kaat ?

    Quote Originally Posted by HelloNewman View Post
    "Compiler."

    Had 4 or 5 years that were more or less HOF-worthy, but spread them out over 13 or 14 years. Before that, after that and in between, a decent grinder of a pitcher who had a talent for sticking around.
    i think he still should be in the HOF based on his total wins in a great career!👌

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    Re: Jim Kaat ?

    Quote Originally Posted by HelloNewman View Post
    "Compiler."

    Had 4 or 5 years that were more or less HOF-worthy, but spread them out over 13 or 14 years. Before that, after that and in between, a decent grinder of a pitcher who had a talent for sticking around.
    So was Eddie Murray, he just stuck around long enough to hit magic numbers.

    Murray hit 30 HR in a season five times, but never hit more than 33.
    Murray never got 200 hits in a season, his highest total was 186.
    Murray led the majors once in HR, in 1981 with 22.
    Murray led the majors once in RBI, in 1981, with 78.
    Murray led the majors once in OBP, in 1984.

    And that's it. He never led the majors in any other traditional statistical category.

    But he hung around for enough seasons to get 500 HR and 3000 hits...
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    Re: Jim Kaat ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Big_E View Post
    So was Eddie Murray, he just stuck around long enough to hit magic numbers.

    Murray hit 30 HR in a season five times, but never hit more than 33.
    Murray never got 200 hits in a season, his highest total was 186.
    Murray led the majors once in HR, in 1981 with 22.
    Murray led the majors once in RBI, in 1981, with 78.
    Murray led the majors once in OBP, in 1984.

    And that's it. He never led the majors in any other traditional statistical category.

    But he hung around for enough seasons to get 500 HR and 3000 hits...
    Not sure what your point is.

    Murray was a career 129 OPS+ hitter.

    Kaat was a career 108 ERA+ pitcher.

    What "magic numbers" milestones did Kaat hit (except playing in 25 seasons)?
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    Re: Jim Kaat ?

    Quote Originally Posted by HelloNewman View Post
    Not sure what your point is.

    Murray was a career 129 OPS+ hitter.

    Kaat was a career 108 ERA+ pitcher.

    What "magic numbers" milestones did Kaat hit (except playing in 25 seasons)?
    Not just 25 seasons - he played in the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s. He and Tim McCarver might have been the only players to do that.

    Still not HOF-worthy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    Not just 25 seasons - he played in the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s. He and Tim McCarver might have been the only players to do that.

    Still not HOF-worthy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by philleotardo View Post
    Minoso?
    Good one. In fact, he played in the 40s as well.
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    Re: Jim Kaat ?

    Kaat was a really average to slightly above average pitcher for a long time.
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    Re: Jim Kaat ?

    Murray got MVP votes in 17 seasons and finished 2nd four straight years. Kaat got cy-young votes in 1 season though he did get Mvp votes in 4 different seasons including his one where he got cy votes.

    The two are not comparable,
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    the rest is just details.

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