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  1. #3226
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    Re: Official 2019-20 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Zimmer's Helmet View Post
    If they don’t need Betances, then they certainly don’t need Treinen...
    Which doesn't mean they couldn't use Josh Hader, if the poster at #3223 is correct that Milwaukee is shopping him. He seems to miss a lot of bats.

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    Re: Official 2019-20 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread

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    Which doesn't mean they couldn't use Josh Hader, if the poster at #3223 is correct that Milwaukee is shopping him. He seems to miss a lot of bats.
    Sure Hader is a very good reliever.

    I think Zim's point is they don't really need another elite reliever regardless of the name.

    A great bullpen can help you win a lot of games for sure but it's a tough formula to win a 7 game series requirng the BP to get 12-18 outs a game when there are only 2 off days and batters see the same arms coming out the pen multiple days in a row.

    If the Yankees were playing with an unlimited budget sure sign Cole and Strasburg and trade for both Hader and Teinen while resigning Betances and heck go out and get Lindor in trade too. But that's not the reality of the Yanks payroll.

    So like others, I would prefer they stand pat with Chapman, Britton, Ottovino, Green, Khanle and fill the rest of the pen in house rather than $6M to $10M on yet another BP arm that will limit their ability to upgrade the rotation.
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    This is not a rumor!!!!!!! The Yankees need an All-Star starting pitcher.

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    Re: Official 2019-20 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    Sure Hader is a very good reliever.

    I think Zim's point is they don't really need another elite reliever regardless of the name.

    A great bullpen can help you win a lot of games for sure but it's a tough formula to win a 7 game series requirng the BP to get 12-18 outs a game when there are only 2 off days and batters see the same arms coming out the pen multiple days in a row.

    If the Yankees were playing with an unlimited budget sure sign Cole and Strasburg and trade for both Hader and Teinen while resigning Betances and heck go out and get Lindor in trade too. But that's not the reality of the Yanks payroll.

    So like others, I would prefer they stand pat with Chapman, Britton, Ottovino, Green, Khanle and fill the rest of the pen in house rather than $6M to $10M on yet another BP arm that will limit their ability to upgrade the rotation.
    Good points. I think this ALCS demonstrated why a super bullpen can be a benefit over 162 games, but not so much in a postseason if it's supposed to make up for shortcomings in the starting rotation. Stop spending on the bullpen and save your nickels for a TOR starter. The bullpen, as it stands now, is strong enough.
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    Wasn't the knock on the Maddox et al Braves was they had great starting pitching but a crap bullpen and as a result they were built for 162 game season but not for the playoffs?
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    At the time of the Chapman trade Cubs fans were largely at peace with moving Gleyber because they had no space for him anyway with Javy Baez and Addison Russell up the middle.

    Russell was non-tendered today by the Cubs. What a fall from grace.
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    Re: Official 2019-20 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by fredgmuggs View Post
    Wasn't the knock on the Maddox et al Braves was they had great starting pitching but a crap bullpen and as a result they were built for 162 game season but not for the playoffs?
    Maybe they did have a crap bullpen with great starting pitching, but the Yankees don't have a crap bullpen. They're in pretty good shape there, but can certainly use help with a rotation that can't seem to get through more than five or possibly even six innings.
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    Moustakas to Reds: four-year deal worth $64 million. Big contract that flies in the face of giving big bucks to "older" players. 31 yrs. last September.

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    Treinen was non-tendered. The A's couldn't find anyone willing to pay him $8M annually in a trade.
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    Treinen was non-tendered. The A's couldn't find anyone willing to pay him $8M annually in a trade.
    Surprising. He is pretty good

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    Taijuan Walker was non tendered today. Injuries have set him back but recall he had nasty stuff when healthy. He’s also a starter. Take a flier on him!

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    Surprising. He is pretty good
    He's been up and down.
    Was really good with WAS when he came up, then inexplicably stunk.
    Got traded to Oakland - was one of the best relievers in baseball for a year and a half after trade.
    Then lost his closer's job last year to Liam Hendricks.
    For a team like the A's on a budget and looking for a stadium $8M set up guys are a luxury they can't afford.
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    With all these elite relievers out there would've been real cool to have that Chapman money off the books for starting pitching. Imagine an offseason in which we let Chapman walk for a draft pick, signed Cole (or Stras), traded for Hader and still had a little money to play with (Betances?). I guess in theory Cole and Chapman could happen too, but seems less likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrueYankee01 View Post
    Taijuan Walker was non tendered today. Injuries have set him back but recall he had nasty stuff when healthy. He’s also a starter. Take a flier on him!
    Yea he'd be a good target, great fastball. He's a solid starter with upside, but would actually be a dynamite reliever/opener especially coming back from his injuries.

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    Non-tenders show its going to be a COLD free agency for a lot of guys. Keep your dollars in your pocket there's a lot of guys that will be sitting out there begging for minor league deals at the end of this thing. These owners are making every penny count or they're pocketing it.

    Props to the Reds owner for actually making a splash, although they overpaid especially in this market. Happy that Moustakas didn't have to settle for another 1 year deal. Worried though what that deal means for a better player like DJL.

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    Re: Official 2019-20 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Bauer View Post
    Which doesn't mean they couldn't use Josh Hader, if the poster at #3223 is correct that Milwaukee is shopping him. He seems to miss a lot of bats.
    Ken Rosenthal. I am not interested in Hader either. all talk. He blew the save with WAS (sound familiar?) There is no major reason for MUL to trade him.

    The Athletic's Ken Rosenthal hears the Brewers are making reliever Josh Hader available in trade talks this winter.
    "We listen on a wide variety of players throughout the offseason. A lot of players get discussed," Brewers general manager David Stearns told Rosenthal generically when asked about Hader's availability. Hader is projected to earn $4.6 million in arbitration this winter, according to MLBTradeRumors.com, and will only get more expensive as his arb years roll on, making his trade value higher now than it might ever be again. It seems counterintuitive for the Brewers, a team that appears set to contend for the postseason again in 2020, to be dealing key pieces regardless of their trade value, but Rosenthal notes that Hader's workload in his first three seasons in the majors -- he's appeared in 151 games since 2017 -- could be part of Milwaukee's consideration in moving him now. The writer lists the Mets among the teams that could have interest in the 25-year-old southpaw, who has won the Trevor Hoffman Award for best reliever in the NL the past two seasons. We'll see.

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    Rangers emerge as rising suitor for Yankees’ Miguel Andujar.

    Brian Cashman has said that he received “a lot of interest” in Miguel Andujar at the GM meetings last month.

    As the winter meetings approach next week, one team that is “definitely intrigued by the possibility” of trading for the Yankees’ rehabbing third baseman is the Rangers, according to MLB.com. The site noted that the Rangers have the high-quality bullpen arms that could attract the Yankees.
    https://nypost.com/2019/12/02/ranger...iguel-andujar/

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    Brewers cleared house on non-tenders. Shaw and Nelson among others.

    Kevin Pillar also non-tendered, interesting CF insurance (behind Tauchman of course) if they don’t want to overpay Gardy based on his 2019. I prefer Shogo though.

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    Re: Official 2019-20 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken711 View Post
    Rangers emerge as rising suitor for Yankees’ Miguel Andujar.



    https://nypost.com/2019/12/02/ranger...iguel-andujar/
    Since the article mentioned bullpen arms this deal is good as done.

    #Cashlovesbullpenlikeafatkidlovesshakeshack

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    Re: Official 2019-20 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread

    What's Strasburg going to cost?

    I may have to re-think this. 2020 is the time to go for it all. I've slowly seen the light re: signing Cole or Strasburg vs. spending less for Bumgarner. My main issue has been length of contract, but if Strasburg would sign in December for 6 years/$180M), he's the guy to target IMO. A year or two shorter and $65M-$95M less (than Cole) seems like a no-brainer. I think the Yanks are playing with fire if they put all their eggs in one basket and have to wait until January for Cole to decide where to sign. A rotation of Strasburg, Severino, Paxton & Tanaka should be able to win a WS championship in 2020 - SIGN ME UP !!!

    I've been reading that re-signing Rendon might be more important for the Nats, since they'll still have Scherzer & Corbin to anchor a very good rotation but no clear-cut replacement for Rendon @ 3rd. Also, they seem to like to defer money on these big $$ contracts - which leads to a lower overall value. San Diego's not ready to win now, even with Hosmer, Machado and Strasburg.

    Will any team ante up more than 6yrs/$180M? I'm hoping not. Can the Yanks sign Strasburg and still stay under the $246M luxury tax threshold? I think so. Can Haap be traded to save the Yanks some money? There's enough talent currently on the 40-man roster to get to the WS - no other moves need to be made. Not Didi, not Romine, not Betances, not even Gardner. Another bullpen piece can be added in July if needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken711 View Post
    Rangers emerge as rising suitor for Yankees’ Miguel Andujar.



    https://nypost.com/2019/12/02/ranger...iguel-andujar/
    Unless happ and most of his contract are part of that trade, it just makes no sense to trade for yet another reliever.

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    Re: Official 2019-20 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by primetime714 View Post
    Brewers cleared house on non-tenders. Shaw and Nelson among others.

    Kevin Pillar also non-tendered, interesting CF insurance (behind Tauchman of course) if they don’t want to overpay Gardy based on his 2019. I prefer Shogo though.
    Shaw would be an interesting option if the Yanks deal Andujar. A lefty bat to help Urshela @ 3rd and be an option @ 1st? I like it.

    If Pillar and Gardner will both cost $10M, I think Tauchman and re-signing Maybin (2yrs/$8M?) to platoon in CF might be a wiser plan until Hicks returns after the ASB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sjb23 View Post
    What's Strasburg going to cost?

    I may have to re-think this. 2020 is the time to go for it all. I've slowly seen the light re: signing Cole or Strasburg vs. spending less for Bumgarner. My main issue has been length of contract, but if Strasburg would sign in December for 6 years/$180M), he's the guy to target IMO. A year or two shorter and $65M-$95M less (than Cole) seems like a no-brainer. I think the Yanks are playing with fire if they put all their eggs in one basket and have to wait until January for Cole to decide where to sign. A rotation of Strasburg, Severino, Paxton & Tanaka should be able to win a WS championship in 2020 - SIGN ME UP !!!

    I've been reading that re-signing Rendon might be more important for the Nats, since they'll still have Scherzer & Corbin to anchor a very good rotation but no clear-cut replacement for Rendon @ 3rd. Also, they seem to like to defer money on these big $$ contracts - which leads to a lower overall value. San Diego's not ready to win now, even with Hosmer, Machado and Strasburg.

    Will any team ante up more than 6yrs/$180M? I'm hoping not. Can the Yanks sign Strasburg and still stay under the $246M luxury tax threshold? I think so. Can Haap be traded to save the Yanks some money? There's enough talent currently on the 40-man roster to get to the WS - no other moves need to be made. Not Didi, not Romine, not Betances, not even Gardner. Another bullpen piece can be added in July if needed.
    If the difference is just 2 years, I go with cole. But strasburg would be a great pick up if he stays healthy. Btw I still think it’s a mistake to let romine go

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    Re: Official 2019-20 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken711 View Post
    Rangers emerge as rising suitor for Yankees’ Miguel Andujar.



    https://nypost.com/2019/12/02/ranger...iguel-andujar/
    Oh good, more bullpen arms.

    I can see the headlines about how they had the built in discipline to walk away from the overpriced starters and made the team better by more closers to the bullpen.
    A fool and his money can throw one heck of a party!

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    Re: Official 2019-20 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken711 View Post
    Rangers emerge as rising suitor for Yankees’ Miguel Andujar.



    https://nypost.com/2019/12/02/ranger...iguel-andujar/
    Here's the actual source of the Rangers' interest.

    https://www.mlb.com/news/rangers-off...er-kyle-gibson

    Is third base still the Rangers' No. 1 priority?

    Yes, and they are definitely intrigued by the possibility of trading for Yankees third baseman Miguel Andújar. He missed most of last season after undergoing right shoulder surgery and has been replaced by Gio Urshela. The Yankees would expect much in the way of a trade, but acquiring Andújar would allow the Rangers to use their financial resources elsewhere. New York needs starting pitching, but it also has an affinity for hard-throwing relievers and Texas has depth in that area.
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