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    Playoff Roster Discussion

    12 Pitchers? 13 Pitchers?

    Let's say they go with 12.

    Pitchers:

    Locks (10):
    James Paxton
    Masahiro Tanaka
    Luis Severino
    J.A. Happ
    Aroldis Chapman
    Zack Britton
    Adam Ottavino
    Tommy Kahnle
    Chad Green
    Luis Cessa (you know he'll be here, they like him, he isn't that bad, can eat innings)


    On the Fence (need 2 of 6):
    CC Sabathia (LOOGY? Opener? Sentimentality? I think he makes it)
    Jonathan Loaisiga (I think he's 12th)
    Jordan Montgomery (next year)
    Ben Heller (next year)
    Nestor Cortes Jr. (Pixie dust has expired)
    Stephen Tarpley (maybe if CC is left off?)


    Out:
    Mike King
    Tyler Lyons
    Cory Gearrin
    Chance Adams
    Albert Abreu



    Position Players:
    For the sake of argument, let's say Tauchman and Hix are not back and Sanchez and Edwin are ok.

    Locks (11)

    Gary Sanchez
    Austin Romine
    Edwin Encarnacion
    DJ LeMahieu
    Gleyber Torres
    Didi Gregorius
    Gio Urshela
    Aaron Judge
    Brett Gardner
    Giancarlo Stanton
    Cameron Maybin


    On the Fence (need 2 of 4):

    Luke Voit (Probable)
    Mike Ford (Power?)
    Tyler Wade (Speed & Can play anywhere?)
    Clint Frazier (Doubtful)



    Out (2):

    Kyle Higashioka (Only needed if Sanchez can't return, maybe round 1?)
    Thairo Estrada (odd man out lately)



    Hurt (2):
    Aaron Hicks
    Mike Tauchman
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    Re: Playoff Roster Discussion

    Thatís about the size of it. Agree on CC and Loaisiga. Wade almost surely gets a spot, Frazier has no chance. Ford vs. Voit for the last spot. Tough call.
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    Re: Playoff Roster Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Bub View Post
    Thatís about the size of it. Agree on CC and Loaisiga. Wade almost surely gets a spot, Frazier has no chance. Ford vs. Voit for the last spot. Tough call.
    Looks about right to me, as well.

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    Well done John. I don't think there's any question Tauchman's done, so the only good news on the injury front that could change the picture would be Hicks. Of course there could be bad news but let's hope not, or at least let's hope that the worst case for a guy like Sanchez or EE (as you've noted) would be that we have to wait until the ALCS.

    I think Voit is the most interesting guy on the bubble. There will be some people who refuse to believe leaving him off should even be considered, but I think the Yankees have to ask themselves the question. If I thought anybody cared about splits any more, I might think Ford would have an advantage as a lefty, but I'm not sure that even figures in.
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    Voit is a lock if you ask me, I know a lot are paying close attention to his slump post injury and he may not have all his power back until next year, but his strike zone judgement and ability to use all fields will keep him on there. He also is very good vs RHP with better splits than any of the 1B/DH guys. Ford as a lefty has actually had most of his success against lefties in the majors which doesnít fit with his minor league profile. Voit has also been a bit unlucky lately hitting the ball hard right at fielders or a victim of some really good defense.

    Also they need the righty bats for Didi or even Gardner. Didi no question should ride the pine against a lefty starter.

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    Re: Playoff Roster Discussion

    CC is definitely making it. Cortes should not.
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    Re: Playoff Roster Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by JDPNYY View Post
    12 Pitchers? 13 Pitchers?

    Let's say they go with 12.

    Pitchers:

    Locks (10):
    James Paxton
    Masahiro Tanaka
    Luis Severino
    J.A. Happ
    Aroldis Chapman
    Zack Britton
    Adam Ottavino
    Tommy Kahnle
    Chad Green
    Luis Cessa (you know he'll be here, they like him, he isn't that bad, can eat innings)


    On the Fence (need 2 of 6):
    CC Sabathia (LOOGY? Opener? Sentimentality? I think he makes it)
    Jonathan Loaisiga (I think he's 12th)
    Jordan Montgomery (next year)
    Ben Heller (next year)
    Nestor Cortes Jr. (Pixie dust has expired)
    Stephen Tarpley (maybe if CC is left off?)


    Out:
    Mike King
    Tyler Lyons
    Cory Gearrin
    Chance Adams
    Albert Abreu



    Position Players:
    For the sake of argument, let's say Tauchman and Hix are not back and Sanchez and Edwin are ok.

    Locks (11)

    Gary Sanchez
    Austin Romine
    Edwin Encarnacion
    DJ LeMahieu
    Gleyber Torres
    Didi Gregorius
    Gio Urshela
    Aaron Judge
    Brett Gardner
    Giancarlo Stanton
    Cameron Maybin


    On the Fence (need 2 of 4):

    Luke Voit (Probable)
    Mike Ford (Power?)
    Tyler Wade (Speed & Can play anywhere?)
    Clint Frazier (Doubtful)



    Out (2):

    Kyle Higashioka (Only needed if Sanchez can't return, maybe round 1?)
    Thairo Estrada (odd man out lately)



    Hurt (2):
    Aaron Hicks
    Mike Tauchman
    The Yanks can carry different rosters for each series. As the ALDS is only 5 games I think they can get away with one fewer pitcher and have 1 extra hitter. Cessa/Loaisiga misses cut and Wade/Voit/Ford all make it.

    For ALCS I think Ford gets dropped for Cessa/Loaisiga whoever was dropped in ALDS

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    Quote Originally Posted by NelsonMuntz View Post
    CC is definitely making it. Cortes should not.
    Yea CC is a lock. Available for distance (1 time through the order) or a matchup with a lefty (no chance they keep Tarpley over him for that). And Cortes would need a lot of injuries to find himself in the mix.

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    Re: Playoff Roster Discussion

    CC is a lock
    Loaisiga pretty easy choice for the last spot (thank for being an idiot German!)






    Wade easy choice versatility and speed

    I'd go with Ford as the last bench player. I think the Yankees will go with Voit

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    Re: Playoff Roster Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Bub View Post
    Thatís about the size of it. Agree on CC and Loaisiga. Wade almost surely gets a spot, Frazier has no chance. Ford vs. Voit for the last spot. Tough call.



    Absolutely agree. Loasiga and CC round out the staff. Wade is getting a spot because he has actually begun to hit, has game changing speed, and can play anywhere almost..


    As for Voit versus Ford, the last few days I think determine things. I think if EE is back and they feel he is good to go, then they'll lean Ford. I also think they want to see Voit play these last 5 games, his stroke has been off a bit, so if he continues to struggle and EE gets healthy, then that may further swing the pendulum to Ford..
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    Quote Originally Posted by aeromac76 View Post
    Absolutely agree. Loasiga and CC round out the staff. Wade is getting a spot because he has actually begun to hit, has game changing speed, and can play anywhere almost..


    As for Voit versus Ford, the last few days I think determine things. I think if EE is back and they feel he is good to go, then they'll lean Ford. I also think they want to see Voit play these last 5 games, his stroke has been off a bit, so if he continues to struggle and EE gets healthy, then that may further swing the pendulum to Ford..
    Voit has only 1 hit on his last 13 balls in play. That will make anyone look bad. His strikeout rate in the past 10 days is a bit higher but it's too small a sample to worry about, and it's really due to just one bad game.

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    Re: Playoff Roster Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonn1997 View Post
    Voit has only 1 hit on his last 13 balls in play. That will make anyone look bad. His strikeout rate in the past 10 days is a bit higher but it's too small a sample to worry about, and it's really due to just one bad game.



    Not that I disagree with anything you say here, but EE sort of makes Voit redundant, and Ford gives them a LH power bat whose recent at bats have been better than Voit. Yes SSS but we are looking at the playoffs which themselves are SSS coming up fast. If EE comes back and is himself, do you take Voit over Ford?
    Another consideration is Urshela.. Up until recently, you'd have the best defensive IF being DJL, Gleyber, Didi and Gio around from first to third. That still is probably the case, but Gio's bat has looked really off the past few games. Do you insert Voit at first and bench Gio? Or, as some have mentioned, do you bench Didi?

    Lots of choices...


    I happen to be be of the belief that I would take Ford and go with EE as DH if he is healthy. However, I think the Yankees take Voit..
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    Re: Playoff Roster Discussion

    Normally I would have thought Voit is s lock but he hasnít been the same since returning from sports hernia.
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    Re: Playoff Roster Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    Normally I would have thought Voit is s lock but he hasnít been the same since returning from sports hernia.
    Agree.

    I agree with the opening post for the locks. In the ALDS, I think they go with 12 Pitchers. The 10 locks, along with CC, Loaisiga , Tarpley and Guerin, in that order. The hitters will be the 11 listed , and Wade and Ford vs. Voit. Depends if EE is healthy.

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    I agree with the consensus here, except I do not think Cessa is a lock, probable, but I think they are considering others this week. CC is a lock, barring an injury.


    I also think Ford has an outside chance if Voit looks bad this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rajah View Post
    I agree with the consensus here, except I do not think Cessa is a lock, probable, but I think they are considering others this week. CC is a lock, barring an injury.


    I also think Ford has an outside chance if Voit looks bad this week.
    CC is definitely making it. They're just not leaving him off the roster. I do think the big fella can be effective, if used correctly. Also, with this being his final year, you know he's going to give it everything he's got.

    I also do think Cessa is a lock, however. I just don't see better options than him, and he's had a decent year who can easily go multiple innings. Sure as hell don't want to see the likes of Gearrin, Tarpley, or Lyons on the roster. Cortes Jr. has looked awful lately. I don't think they'll see enough of Monty/King for them to be options.

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    Re: Playoff Roster Discussion

    CC is in
    Wade plays too many defensive positions and given this team's injury track record, he's needed. Plus he can run, meaning he can run for anyone.

    I want to say Voit, but what does he add that EE doesn't? When would Voit play over EE?

    edit: I guess if Stanton is in RF, Judge in LF and Gardner at CF, EE and Voit can both be on the same roster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePinStripes View Post
    CC is in
    Wade plays too many defensive positions and given this team's injury track record, he's needed. Plus he can run, meaning he can run for anyone.

    I want to say Voit, but what does he add that EE doesn't? When would Voit play over EE?

    edit: I guess if Stanton is in RF, Judge in LF and Gardner at CF, EE and Voit can both be on the same roster.
    If Boone sits Didi against a lefty starter then Voit and EE both can start that game. Just that alone gives Voit an edge over Ford, but Iíd like to see both on the roster somehow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePinStripes View Post
    CC is in
    Wade plays too many defensive positions and given this team's injury track record, he's needed. Plus he can run, meaning he can run for anyone.

    I want to say Voit, but what does he add that EE doesn't? When would Voit play over EE?

    edit: I guess if Stanton is in RF, Judge in LF and Gardner at CF, EE and Voit can both be on the same roster.
    CC and Loaisiga should be in, and hold it there at 12. And yes, Wadeís gotta be in there, heís versatile and has surprised the last month.

    Per Aeromac and YT also, it feels like itís Voitís spot to lose, but heís been scuffling badly the last few weeks, just a 2-3 hits, incl the monster HR in DET. His crisp strike zone also looks a bit fuzzier, and heís been lost at first a few times. Ford gives you the LH bat, penchant for drama and ability to PH. Not an easy call. Maybe last week and upcoming matchups / splits will seal it.

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    We'll have to see what they all look like this week in relief, but I'm thinking:

    CC is a one-inning lefty or ground-ball specialist
    Happ is the long man in case one of the starters doesn't have it but the game is salvageable
    and Cessa is the long man/last man in the pen in case of extra innings.

    The high leverage relievers are still Britton, Kahnle, Chapman, Ottavino, Green

    Loaisiga might be above CC in the pecking order, depends on how things look this last week or so
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    Re: Playoff Roster Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Bub View Post
    If Boone sits Didi against a lefty starter then Voit and EE both can start that game. Just that alone gives Voit an edge over Ford, but Iíd like to see both on the roster somehow.
    I guess I'm not following.

    1B Voit/EE
    2B: Torres
    SS: DJL
    3B: Urshella
    DH: Stanton

    Unless Stanton is in LF (or on the bench), Voit and EE can't both start. In order for both of them to play, one has to be DH and one has be 1B. That means Stanton has to play the field.
    If Stanton plays the field, that means no Maybin.

    So effectively, would you rather have Maybin or Voit
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    Re: Playoff Roster Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePinStripes View Post
    I guess I'm not following.

    1B Voit/EE
    2B: Torres
    SS: DJL
    3B: Urshella
    DH: Stanton

    Unless Stanton is in LF (or on the bench), Voit and EE can't both start. In order for both of them to play, one has to be DH and one has be 1B. That means Stanton has to play the field.
    1B EE
    2B DJL
    SS Torres
    3B Urshela
    LF Stanton
    CF Gardner
    RF Judge
    DH Voit

    There should be no issues with Stanton playing in the field.

    In the end I don't think Boone does this anyway. Torres is a step down defensively at short and DJL has some advantages over Voit or EE at first base depite not having a ton of experience. I'll take better defense over a slightly better hitter.
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    Re: Playoff Roster Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Bub View Post
    1B EE
    2B DJL
    SS Torres
    3B Urshela
    LF Stanton
    CF Gardner
    RF Judge
    DH Voit

    There should be no issues with Stanton playing in the field.

    In the end I don't think Boone does this anyway. Torres is a step down defensively at short and DJL has some advantages over Voit or EE at first base depite not having a ton of experience. I'll take better defense over a slightly better hitter.
    I'd put Didi @ SS, Torres as DH but othewise I agree.

    You might also want a catcher to throw to but that's pretty obvious how they will go depending on Sanchez ability to go or not.
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    It'll never happen but I'd leave Didi off the roster in lieu of Wade. He's more versatile than Didi defensively and can PR. He has also outhit Didi and has hit incredibly well this whole month. Would also call up Gore for elite elite defense and PR late in games.

    If they are souring on Voit (they shouldn't) then put Ford on roster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePinStripes View Post
    So effectively, would you rather have Maybin or Voit
    Voit, no question. Maybin shouldnt be getting postseason ABs unless it goes to extras or someone gets hurt. His wrist is still not 100% from what I understand. Also he hasnít been much a platoon bat anyway as I think his splits are about even or slightly reversed.

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