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    Rule Changes 2019-2020

    This just out - here are the highlights from Matt Collins' perspective. Thoughts?

    https://www.overthemonster.com/2019/...trade-deadline

    Starting this year, the All-Star game voting will be changed to an Election Day style format. We discussed this not too long ago when it was first rumored, and I still pretty much have the same thoughts. Basically, itís fine I guess. Their hope is that it will put their stars on a bigger stage and allow them to better market the best and most exciting players. Iím not sure it will work as well as they hope, but its nice to at least see them trying to market their stars more.

    Sticking with All-Star weekend, the two sides have agreed to up the Home Run Derby prize to a cool $1 million. Here, they are hoping to get more stars to participate in the headlining event of All-Star weekend. Again, I am good with that.

    There will be no more August waiver deadline, ridding us of one of the more confusing aspects of the summer. Now, the league will have just the single trade deadline on July 31, meaning acquisitions like Justin Verlander to the Astros a couple of years ago wonít be possible. Their hope is that this will make the July 31 deadline more exciting, as teams will now be forced to make decisions on their season by that date. Theyíre not going to get this much coverage, but looking at the NBA trade deadline and NFL free agency and itís not hard to see why MLB wants to get more out of its most exciting transaction period on the calendar. I like this one as well.

    The changes for 2020 are even more extreme. For one thing, teams will get an extra roster spot for the entire season. This oneís pretty straight forward. Extra spots are good. The will also be eliminating the 40-man rosters in September, instead reducing the expanded roster size to only 28. That still gives teams a chance to add a couple extra players, but not nearly to the same extreme extent. I have gone back and forth on this a million times. I understand the positives for the expanded rosters, but ultimately I think itís wild that the most important month of the regular season is played under drastically different rules. I think this is more good than bad.

    The change that is likely to be most controversial is the implementation of the three-batter minimum for pitchers. So, essentially, we wonít see any one-batter specialists starting in 2020. I donít really like this one, though Iím open to seeing it in action. Iím curious how they battle fake injury claims to get around this rule. For what itís worth, players didnít technically agree to this one, but instead just agreed to not fight it when the league unilaterally implements it. In return, the league tabled the implementation of a pitch clock.
    Players are now going to be designated as position players, pitchers or two-way players, and position players will only be allowed to pitch in extra-inning games or a game with a run differential of seven or more. In concert with the the three-batter minimum I think this could work, and I like it. Call me a curmudgeon but weíve seen way too many position players pitching of late. Itís fun when itís a novelty, but not so much when itís happening somewhere every night.

    Most importantly, the two sides have agreed to start negotiations on the economic stuff soon. That is a huge deal, as the CBA doesnít expire until the end of 2021, and typically negotiations wouldnít begin for at least a year. Clearly it is understood that these are going to be intense and important negotiations, and while starting early wonít guarantee an agreement before the CBA expires it is a good sign.
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    Re: Rule Changes 2019-2020

    I'm bummed about 40 man rosters. It was a great way to get minor leaguers major league playing time.
    Blow out game? Sure, let's showcase the AAA prospects.
    And it was something to make the 20-25 teams not in a hunt (because they're already far ahead or too far behind) interesting. Plus, it takes some stress off starters before October.

    I don't think it affects the outcome for any "important" games. If they're important, you're playing your best players.

    I really loved September, watching the prospects play for the first time.
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    I like the 26 active roster rule, and I've read elsewhere that they may be limiting pitchers to 13, which would guarantee a 4-man bench.
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    Re: Rule Changes 2019-2020

    Man, they spend way too much time thinking about the All Star Game. A happening that's time has come and gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePinStripes View Post
    I'm bummed about 40 man rosters. It was a great way to get minor leaguers major league playing time.
    Blow out game? Sure, let's showcase the AAA prospects.
    And it was something to make the 20-25 teams not in a hunt (because they're already far ahead or too far behind) interesting. Plus, it takes some stress off starters before October.

    I don't think it affects the outcome for any "important" games. If they're important, you're playing your best players.

    I really loved September, watching the prospects play for the first time.

    I tend to agree, I think 28 is too few

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    Re: Rule Changes 2019-2020

    Quote Originally Posted by JDPNYY View Post
    Man, they spend way too much time thinking about the All Star Game. A happening that's time has come and gone.


    I totally agree with you. I do not mind an all star game, but it's outcome should not result in anything more than a win for the team.
    I am against eliminating expanding the roster to 40 men in September
    I am totally against mandating a three man batter limit for a pitcher.


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    The three-man limit is horrible. It changes to game in a serious way. It takes a job away. THe union can't be in favor of this. The game does not need this much fixing.
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    Re: Rule Changes 2019-2020

    The rule that would greatly speed up games is this...

    Require teams to put up a springy net all down the foul lines. Let players catch the foul ball off the net on the fly for an out if there are two strikes on the batter.
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    Re: Rule Changes 2019-2020

    Quote Originally Posted by hardrain View Post
    The three-man limit is horrible. It changes to game in a serious way. It takes a job away. THe union can't be in favor of this. The game does not need this much fixing.
    In exchanged for a 26th roster spot?


    If a guy can't face 3 batters does he really belong in the big leagues?


    Also I would assume it is 3 batters in the same inning. For example if a reliever comes in faces one batter and gets the last out of the inning, he does not need to face 2 batters in the next inning.



    I'm generally in favor of all the proposed rule changes, just wish the 26th man was was in play this year so Bird & Voit could both make the roster.



    As for not having a 40 man bench, that was travesty. I'm kind of glad it's gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    Also I would assume it is 3 batters in the same inning. For example if a reliever comes in faces one batter and gets the last out of the inning, he does not need to face 2 batters in the next inning.
    Correct, they have to get through 3 batters or to the end of an inning.

    I don't like the minimum for pitchers, and especially since they're limiting the number of pitchers on the roster, it seems like overkill. I get that the constant pitching changes are frustrating, and slow the game down. To me, you should be able to use guys as you see fit, and a much better solution is to limit your resources to do so. But they're both limiting your resources, and mandating usage, which I don't like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bub View Post
    I like the 26 active roster rule, and I've read elsewhere that they may be limiting pitchers to 13, which would guarantee a 4-man bench.
    The 13-pitcher limit is crucial here. Otherwise Cashman will just add a 14th pitcher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDPNYY View Post
    The rule that would greatly speed up games is this...

    Require teams to put up a springy net all down the foul lines. Let players catch the foul ball off the net on the fly for an out if there are two strikes on the batter.
    What if a ball gets stuck in the springy net? Can you pluck it out for an out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HelloNewman View Post
    What if a ball gets stuck in the springy net? Can you pluck it out for an out?
    No. Dead ball.
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    Re: Rule Changes 2019-2020

    I am not a fan of the 3 batter minimum. At. All. Managers should be able to use their roster as needed. This tinkering is getting out of hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman23 View Post
    I am not a fan of the 3 batter minimum. At. All. Managers should be able to use their roster as needed. This tinkering is getting out of hand.
    It also may have the opposite of the intended effect. Forcing pitchers to pitch to more batters also could lead to more offense which means more, not less time
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    Quote Originally Posted by YankeePride1967 View Post
    It also may have the opposite of the intended effect. Forcing pitchers to pitch to more batters also could lead to more offense which means more, not less time
    What the league concerns is the lack of game action. Shorten the game time is definitely a priority but what they are worried shall be going 3 commercial breaks in just a half inning. Not a good look to the causal fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t View Post
    What the league concerns is the lack of game action. Shorten the game time is definitely a priority but what they are worried shall be going 3 commercial breaks in just a half inning. Not a good look to the causal fans.


    I agree with that. Also I would limit the number of times a batter can leave the batters box in a single at bat. Similarily I would limit the numbers of times a pitcher can walk off the mound in a single at bat.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t View Post
    What the league concerns is the lack of game action. Shorten the game time is definitely a priority but what they are worried shall be going 3 commercial breaks in just a half inning. Not a good look to the causal fans.
    Exactly. It's not about speeding up the time of games. It's about keeping the casual fan interested in watching the game.

    I'm a huge fan of baseball but the Tony LaRussa endless pitching changes during an inning is something I could happily live with being eliminated.
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    Exactly. It's not about speeding up the time of games. It's about keeping the casual fan interested in watching the game.

    I'm a huge fan of baseball but the Tony LaRussa endless pitching changes during an inning is something I could happily live with being eliminated.
    Agreed. I would compromise though by going with a 3-batter minimum unless itís the start of an inning. So a pitcher could get out 3 but not have to come back in to start the next inning.
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    Re: Rule Changes 2019-2020

    I also don't get the 'taking out the game strategy' aspect for the change of rule. It doesn't mean that there is no game strategy after the change of rule. It means that teams need to think of a new strategy to take advantage of the new rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YankeePride1967 View Post
    It also may have the opposite of the intended effect. Forcing pitchers to pitch to more batters also could lead to more offense which means more, not less time
    thats a good point. I didn’t even think of that. I’m sure it will be taken into account prior though. The managers will have to keep the rule in their mind when choosing a reliever. So they are probably putting in guys that can go an entire inning or three batters.

    It is so stupid. I hate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t View Post
    I also don't get the 'taking out the game strategy' aspect for the change of rule. It doesn't mean that there is no game strategy after the change of rule. It means that teams need to think of a new strategy to take advantage of the new rule.
    youre right. But they’re trying to fix what isnt broken. It’s stupid.
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    Re: Rule Changes 2019-2020

    It's kind of funny that they think the best way to make the game more interesting is getting it over with as soon as possible.

    Here's when baseball is really interesting: When there is a runner on. Stolen bases, double play, hit and run, first/second to third/home stretches, sac flies, etc.
    Home runs are cool, but they don't make the game interesting.

    The problem is it's become obvious the best way to score runs is long ball because defensive shifts, better pitcher, better scouting reports etc make it really hard to string hits together. So now players go for long ball, which has also had the side effect of increasing K rates.

    Banning defensive shifts (for outfield to some degree, too) will help that. Baseball just isn't as exciting as it used to be.
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    Re: Rule Changes 2019-2020

    Let's really talk about the elephant in the house.


    What is dragging the game we love so long is the incessant TV commercials. Without those the game wouldn't be so boring.
    There are many TV shows that I love to watch, but I cannot watch them with out taping them so that a 60 minute show is then reduced to 40 minutes and stays interesting.


    There is no way in todays society that we will ever reduce the 25% of the time spent on commercials so why would we want to destroy the game by changing the beautiful game that we all love.


    Commercials are the entire problem and we can't do anything to lessen it's impact.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePinStripes View Post
    It's kind of funny that they think the best way to make the game more interesting is getting it over with as soon as possible.

    Here's when baseball is really interesting: When there is a runner on. Stolen bases, double play, hit and run, first/second to third/home stretches, sac flies, etc.
    Home runs are cool, but they don't make the game interesting.

    The problem is it's become obvious the best way to score runs is long ball because defensive shifts, better pitcher, better scouting reports etc make it really hard to string hits together. So now players go for long ball, which has also had the side effect of increasing K rates.

    Banning defensive shifts (for outfield to some degree, too) will help that. Baseball just isn't as exciting as it used to be.
    I am on board with mostly everything you said here. I'm not dug in on banning shifts though. I feel like players and teams need to adjust instead. But it doesn't seem like that's going to happen. This reminds me of when they use to run 'the trap' in hockey. They made rules to make it impossible to do but I feel like this is going to follow that path. Like I said I'm not dug in either way, but I'd rather see players adjust and take advantage of getting on base.
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