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    Re: Voter says he wont vote for Rivera..

    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t View Post
    300 wins was never the standard.

    Red Ruffing, Lefty Gomez, Waite Hoyt are all HOFers.
    And Whitey Ford too.

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    Re: Voter says he wont vote for Rivera..

    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t View Post
    300 wins was never the standard.

    Red Ruffing, Lefty Gomez, Waite Hoyt are all HOFers.




    As was Dizzy Dean and Sandy Koufax


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    Re: Voter says he wont vote for Rivera..

    Fun fact - Mo ranks 9th in ERA among HOF pitchers. Just ahead of George Herman Ruth. (Almost the same number of innings too).

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    Re: Voter says he wont vote for Rivera..

    Mo gets 100% to get in HOF, sooo happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by theDurk View Post
    Well, deserved, all of them.....but....Marvin Miller!
    Indeed.

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    Re: Voter says he wont vote for Rivera..

    So at the Ceremony will they have Mussina speak first and then Mo can relieve him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ymike673 View Post
    So at the Ceremony will they have Mussina speak first and then Mo can relieve him?
    And when Mo gets up there, Edgar can hit a double off him.

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    Re: Voter says he wont vote for Rivera..

    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    And when Mo gets up there, Edgar can hit a double off him.
    More likely a broken bat grounder to 2B.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ymike673 View Post
    More likely broken bat grounder to 2B.
    It's funny that if you need to find someone who Mo couldn't get out, Edgar is likely the only answer.

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    Re: Voter says he wont vote for Rivera..

    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t View Post
    It funny that if you need to find someone who Mo couldn't get out, Edgar is likely the only answer.
    There were a few more than just Edgar:

    Batters with Success Versus Rivera Use Terms Like Pure Luck

    In Rivera’s 19-year career, just 16 players have recorded more than six hits against him and posted at least an .800 OPS while doing so. Most of the 16 are potential Hall of Famers (Ichiro Suzuki, David Ortiz, Edgar Martinez), All-Stars (Nomar Garciaparra, Carlos Delgado, Magglio Ordonez) or otherwise solid players (Jeff Conine, Bill Mueller).
    Forgive me for taking the Contrarian view

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    Quote Originally Posted by longtimeyankeefan View Post
    Edgar Martinez's first 15 PA vs Mariano Rivera:
    Home run
    Single
    Walk
    Home run
    Strikeout
    Double
    Single
    Single
    Double
    Double
    Intentional walk
    Reached on error
    Hit by pitch
    Single
    Single

    Slash line of .833/.867/1.583/2.450
    https://twitter.com/MLBRandomStats/s...257505792?s=19

    He slashed a .579/.652/1.053 against Mo. 1.053 is SLG, not OPS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t View Post
    https://twitter.com/MLBRandomStats/s...257505792?s=19

    He slashed a .579/.652/1.053 against Mo. 1.053 is SLG, not OPS.
    To be fair, the first 8 of those PA were in 1995.

    But the next 7 weren’t.

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    Re: Voter says he wont vote for Rivera..

    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    Indeed.
    I thought I would save you the trouble....
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    Re: Voter says he wont vote for Rivera..

    Quote Originally Posted by ymike673 View Post
    So at the Ceremony will they have Mussina speak first and then Mo can relieve him?
    Maybe Mussina won’t quite finish his speech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theDurk View Post
    I thought I would save you the trouble....
    When I’m right, I’m right.

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    Re: Voter says he wont vote for Rivera..

    Quote Originally Posted by CalYankeeFan View Post
    Maybe Mussina won’t quite finish his speech.
    Joe Torre should call time, take Moose off the podium and have Mo finish his speech.
    Forgive me for taking the Contrarian view

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    Quote Originally Posted by longtimeyankeefan View Post
    Joe Torre should call time, take Moose off the podium and have Mo finish his speech.
    And then Edgar can hit a double off Mo.

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    Re: Voter says he wont vote for Rivera..

    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t View Post
    https://twitter.com/MLBRandomStats/s...257505792?s=19

    He slashed a .579/.652/1.053 against Mo. 1.053 is SLG, not OPS.
    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    To be fair, the first 8 of those PA were in 1995.

    But the next 7 weren’t.
    So his slash line in those last seven ABs was .800/.857/1.200/2.057.

    Clearly, his issue was he didn't take a walk
    Forgive me for taking the Contrarian view

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    Re: Voter says he wont vote for Rivera..

    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t View Post
    300 wins was never the standard.

    Red Ruffing, Lefty Gomez, Waite Hoyt are all HOFers.
    300 wins was pretty much the automatic entry point.

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    Re: Voter says he wont vote for Rivera..

    Quote Originally Posted by Krall View Post
    300 wins was pretty much the automatic entry point.


    300 wins will no longer be the standard for starters. With the use of 5 starters in a 162 game season (and sometimes six starters), barring injuries the most regular season starter will get is 32. And given that the average starter is in for 5 innings to six, it is unlikely that he will get a win in half of his starts.


    Last year only two ML pitchers had as much as 21 wins, and only 14 topped 25 wins.


    Thus a good starter has to be content with a 16 win season. Given that it will take minimum say 20 years to win 300. Almost an impossibility in todays game.


    The current active career win leader is Bartolo Colon with 247 and he is 46 years old. He is followed by Sabathia with 246 wins.


    Next on the list is Verlander in his 14th tear and at age 35. His win total is 204 and the career wins drops after that.
    Judging pitchers for HOF will no longer depend on career wins, mainly on number of superb years and overall quality


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    Re: Voter says he wont vote for Rivera..

    Bill Ballou, the Worcester MA based writer, changed his mind and voted for Rivera; here's his reasoning:


    https://www.telegram.com/news/201901...mariano-rivera

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    Re: Voter says he wont vote for Rivera..

    Quote Originally Posted by Krall View Post
    300 wins was pretty much the automatic entry point.
    Which is different from what you said initially. 300 is viewed as a bar above which anyone is a hall of famer. It has never been viewed as a necessity below which someone isn't a hall of famer. There are 71 players in the hall of fame as starting pitchers. Only 23 of them have 300 wins. And it's not a new development - throughout the Hall's history, starting pitchers with fewer than 300 wins have been voted in.

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    Re: Voter says he wont vote for Rivera..

    Michael Young reveals the Rangers' strategy against Mo.

    Here’s my Mo story... We’d have the guy in the on deck circle use the metal donut. If Jorge set up inside he’d knock the donut off hard, hitter would hear it, and know it was cutter inside...ya, not very obvious. It worked. He’d get 3 outs on 12 pitches instead of 9. Congrats Mo!
    https://twitter.com/MikeyY626/status...01716145389568

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