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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    PED user. Doesnít stand a chance until Clemens and Bonds get in.
    Bonds should absolutely get in at least. Had a 99.9 WAR before he even started taking steroids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannyyankou View Post
    Bonds should absolutely get in at least. Had a 99.9 WAR before he even started taking steroids.
    Assuming we know when he started using. Which seems pretty likely just before his 73 HR season. So 4 of him MVP are about as tainted as can be.

    That said Pettitte who has a confirmed failure isn't getting in if other cheaters with better numbers aren't getting in.

    My stance is there are users in already so why not open the flood gates with a "best of the steroid era wing" in Cooperstown.

    I mean JHC the guy who turned a blind eye and encouraged it is in the Hall of Fame. So the face of the steroid era in commissioner Bud is in, no player should have it held against him at this point. It's a totally hypocritical stance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by longtimeyankeefan View Post
    I'd like to see it, but I think he is going to be ten years on the ballot and out. His best chance is probably by committee.

    His admission to using HGH while injured will hurt him in the eyes of the PED guard of voters. Personally, my feeling is that 1) since HGH was not banned when he used it in 2002 (it was banned in 2005) 2) he used the HGH to recover from an elbow injury and not to gain a competitive advantage and 3) that he owned up to the use of the drug immediately, he should get a pass, but there will be those BBWAA voters who will never vote for a "PED user".
    That is what I have always believed. Unlike Bonds and Clemens Andy did not use the stuff when he pitched. Only to recover from an injury before the substance was banned. Plus he admitted it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ymike673 View Post
    That is what I have always believed. Unlike Bonds and Clemens Andy did not use the stuff when he pitched. Only to recover from an injury before the substance was banned. Plus he admitted it.
    The problem is that no one knows if he only used it for recovery other than himself. We trust him because we want to trust him.

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    The problem is that no one knows if he only used it for recovery other than himself. We trust him because we want to trust him.
    Very true. I think it's completely plausible Andy's story is true. I don't, however, assume it's true. (I also think it's irrelevant to his HOF candidacy).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ymike673 View Post
    That is what I have always believed. Unlike Bonds and Clemens Andy did not use the stuff when he pitched. Only to recover from an injury before the substance was banned. Plus he admitted it.
    Idk in for a penny in for a pound. He and Clemens were work out buddies for a long, long time i for one donít buy his one time usage for injury sob story.
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    Looking ahead, congratulations to Lou Whitaker on his 2020 induction to the Hall of Fame. (He was more deserving than several HOF'ers before the Baines election, he seems like a slam dunk after it). Couple of other names of some interest here as well.

    2020 Modern Baseball Committee Ballot
    Lou Whitaker
    Ted Simmons (missed by 1 vote in this committee 2 years ago)
    Marvin Miller (missed by 5 votes 2 years ago)
    Don Mattingly (missed by more than 5 votes)
    Thurman Munson
    Dwight Evans
    Steve Garvey (missed by more than 5 votes)
    Tommy John (missed by more than 5 votes)
    Dale Murphy (missed by more than 5 votes)
    Dave Parker (missed by more than 5 votes)

    Voting results will be announced Dec 8.

    https://www.nj.com/yankees/2019/11/2...l-of-fame.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Mxylsplk View Post
    Looking ahead, congratulations to Lou Whitaker on his 2020 induction to the Hall of Fame. (He was more deserving than several HOF'ers before the Baines election, he seems like a slam dunk after it). Couple of other names of some interest here as well.

    2020 Modern Baseball Committee Ballot
    Lou Whitaker
    Ted Simmons (missed by 1 vote in this committee 2 years ago)
    Marvin Miller (missed by 5 votes 2 years ago)
    Don Mattingly (missed by more than 5 votes)
    Thurman Munson
    Dwight Evans
    Steve Garvey (missed by more than 5 votes)
    Tommy John (missed by more than 5 votes)
    Dale Murphy (missed by more than 5 votes)
    Dave Parker (missed by more than 5 votes)

    Voting results will be announced Dec 8.

    https://www.nj.com/yankees/2019/11/2...l-of-fame.html
    My feelings about this are well known.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    My feelings about this are well known.
    Did Marvin Miller ever get his picture on the back of of a bubble gum card? Well did he?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    Did Marvin Miller ever get his picture on the back of of a bubble gum card? Well did he?
    Nobody ever got his picture on the back of a bubble gum card. The pictures are on the front of the card.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    Nobody ever got his picture on the back of a bubble gum card.
    Incorrect.

    https://keymancollectibles.com/baseb...ges/wpe1B4.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by HelloNewman View Post
    Itís a Deep Fake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    It’s a Deep Fake.
    Put it right on a tee for me, huh?

    You're a deep fake.
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