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    Joe Mauer Announces his retirement

    Nice tribute from his teammate and former NYY Phil Hughes :




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    Re: Joe Mauer Announces his retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Messerwhitescooter View Post
    Nice tribute from his teammate and former NYY Phil Hughes :




    Sad to see him retire, but it is the responsible thing to do for his family. I thought the move to have him don the tools of ignorance one more time was the most poignant moment of the past season.

    I wonder how he will be seen in the HoF voting in five years.
    Forgive me for taking the Contrarian view

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    Great stats. Should make HOF within first couple of years of eligibility.

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    I like Mauer a lot. A whole lot. But Albert Belle is an example of the player who crushed it but *LIFE* dictated another direction.

    And nobody thinks Belle is a HOF'er.

    That '09 season though.
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    Re: Joe Mauer Announces his retirement

    Wish him the best. Not sure we would ever see another catcher winning 3 batting titles. Peak may be short but I hope he would make the HOF one day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ojo View Post
    I like Mauer a lot. A whole lot. But Albert Belle is an example of the player who crushed it but *LIFE* dictated another direction.

    And nobody thinks Belle is a HOF'er.

    That '09 season though.
    Mauer being great at catcher would make him a better case. It really depends on how the voters view his peak as a catcher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t View Post
    Mauer being great at catcher would make him a better case. It really depends on how the voters view his peak as a catcher.
    Heís in. Similar numbers to Piazza or Molina but excellent catching skills like Molina (not Piazza). And they love homegrown one team players which is rare today. Molina and Mauer and I cant think of anyone else today in the catching position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Portbb View Post
    Heís in. Similar numbers to Piazza or Molina but excellent catching skills like Molina (not Piazza). And they love homegrown one team players which is rare today. Molina and Mauer and I cant think of anyone else today in the catching position.
    Iíd add Posey and cut the list right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ace View Post
    Iíd add Posey and cut the list right there.
    Good catch. Literally

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    Re: Joe Mauer Announces his retirement

    Bye bye
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    Re: Joe Mauer Announces his retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Portbb View Post
    Great stats. Should make HOF within first couple of years of eligibility.
    Sorry, but Mauer is not a HOF-caliber player.

    Had a great first half to his career, but the second half of his career didn't do enough to push his career numbers into elite territory. Many similarities to Mattingly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zimmer's Helmet View Post
    Sorry, but Mauer is not a HOF-caliber player.

    Had a great first half to his career, but the second half of his career didn't do enough to push his career numbers into elite territory. Many similarities to Mattingly.
    Time will tell.

    And then on mlb.com - A Cooperstown case for Mauer.

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    Re: Joe Mauer Announces his retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Zimmer's Helmet View Post
    Many similarities to Mattingly.

    Mattingly .307/.358/.471/.830 222HR 1099 RBI in 1785G; one MVP; one batting title; 6 ASG
    Mauer .306/.388/.439/.827 143HR 923 RBI in 1858G; one MVP; 3 batting titles; 6 ASG

    Many similarities may be understating it.
    Forgive me for taking the Contrarian view

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    Quote Originally Posted by longtimeyankeefan View Post
    Mattingly .307/.358/.471/.830 222HR 1099 RBI in 1785G; one MVP; one batting title; 6 ASG
    Mauer .306/.388/.439/.827 143HR 923 RBI in 1858G; one MVP; 3 batting titles; 6 ASG

    Many similarities may be understating it.
    3 AL batting titles as a catcher. Pretty impressive.

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    Re: Joe Mauer Announces his retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Portbb View Post
    3 AL batting titles as a catcher. Pretty impressive.
    I agree with you, but I don't know how HoF voters are going to view him - as a catcher or as a 1B/DH.

    His PA are split almost even between the two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by longtimeyankeefan View Post
    I agree with you, but I don't know how HoF voters are going to view him - as a catcher or as a 1B/DH.

    His PA are split almost even between the two.
    Just like Ernie Banks, voters would likely remember the position he played during his peak years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zimmer's Helmet View Post
    Sorry, but Mauer is not a HOF-caliber player.

    Had a great first half to his career, but the second half of his career didn't do enough to push his career numbers into elite territory. Many similarities to Mattingly.
    If Mattingly spent 40% playing time at catching instead of 1B, I think he would be in the HOF now.

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    Re: Joe Mauer Announces his retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t View Post
    If Mattingly spent 40% playing time at catching instead of 1B, I think he would be in the HOF now.
    Doubt it.

    Hard to justify inducting Mauer when guys like Ted Simmons, Lance Parrish are still on the outside looking in.

    Half of his career was elite as a catcher, the second half of his career, he was a decent/good 1st baseman.

    His overall career numbers just aren't there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zimmer's Helmet View Post
    Doubt it.

    Hard to justify inducting Mauer when guys like Ted Simmons, Lance Parrish are still on the outside looking in.

    Half of his career was elite as a catcher, the second half of his career, he was a decent/good 1st baseman.

    His overall career numbers just aren't there.
    If he makes it, it will be because everyone loves him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zimmer's Helmet View Post
    Doubt it.

    Hard to justify inducting Mauer when guys like Ted Simmons, Lance Parrish are still on the outside looking in.

    Half of his career was elite as a catcher, the second half of his career, he was a decent/good 1st baseman.

    His overall career numbers just aren't there.
    Mauer biggest selling point is that he's one of the best players, not just among catchers, in the league for about 5 years. And the peak is recognized by the voters. He won a MVP and had another top 5 finish. Simmons and Parrish never had one.

    I think he's borderline case but the MVP and 3 batting titles as a catcher would push him in.

    Ted Simmons not being in is a mistake and the voters messed up so badly that they couldn't be able to fix it. He was victimized by bad timing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t View Post
    Mauer biggest selling point is that he's one of the best players, not just among catchers, in the league for about 5 years. And the peak is recognized by the voters. He won a MVP and had another top 5 finish. Simmons and Parrish never had one.

    I think he's borderline case but the MVP and 3 batting titles as a catcher would push him in.

    Ted Simmons not being in is a mistake and the voters messed up so badly that they couldn't be able to fix it. He was victimized by bad timing.
    I love Mauer, always have. But I look at his overall numbers and donít see a Hall of Famer. Ordinarily, if youíre going to build a case on a five-year peak, those five years should be Koufax-equivalent. To me, the three batting titles as a catcher are what make him a borderline case in the first place, not what put him ver.

    I wish I had a stronger case to make for him, though I suspect he will make it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    If he makes it, it will be because everyone loves him.
    His numbers, his character, being face of the franchise, local boy playing for hometown team, that all makes an impression on the voters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Portbb View Post
    His numbers, his character, being face of the franchise, local boy playing for hometown team, that all makes an impression on the voters.
    Yep. Thatís what I was saying. The back of his baseball card doesnít make it, but I think Mauer will.

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    Re: Joe Mauer Announces his retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    If he makes it, it will be because everyone loves him.
    The Kirby Puckett factor.
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    Re: Joe Mauer Announces his retirement

    Mauer is a Hall of Famer.

    Not just a catcher for the first 10 years of his career, but a Gold Glove catcher who finished top ten in MVP voting 4 times.

    Career WAR = 55.1

    Some HOF Catchersí WAR:

    59.6 - Mike Piazza
    59.4 - Yogi Berra
    55.8 - Bill Dickey
    53.4 - Gabby Hatnett
    52.1 - Mickey Cochrane
    47.6 - Buck Ewing
    45.9 - Ernie Lombardi
    41.7 - Roger Bresnahan
    34.1 - Roy Campanella
    29.8 - Rick Ferrell
    28.6 - Ray Schalk

    Mauerís WAR for his 7 year peak as a catcher was 39.0. The average Hall of Fame catcherís WAR for his 7 year peak as a catcher is 34.5. An All Star for6 of his 10 seasons behind the plate, he was the best catcher of his generation and on that basis alone deserves to be in the Hall.

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