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    Are Redsox pitchers using a foreign substance to cheat?

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    Have the Redsox been caught cheating in the ALDS and ALCS?

    A video uploaded to Twitter by @CodyDaeschner and Joe Reyes shows what the commentator believes is Redsox pitcher, Matt Barnes, cheating in Game 2 of the ALCS.

    The commentator points out Barnes grabbing his left forearm after each pitch where a "shiny" substance is located. The commentator suspects pine tar as the substance at the :31 mark.

    Second video is Red Sox against Yankees. Same move to arm.

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    Re: Are Redsox pitchers using a foreign substance to cheat?

    Quote Originally Posted by CinematicFusion View Post
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    Have the Redsox been caught cheating in the ALDS and ALCS?

    A video uploaded to Twitter by @CodyDaeschner and Joe Reyes shows what the commentator believes is Redsox pitcher, Matt Barnes, cheating in Game 2 of the ALCS.

    The commentator points out Barnes grabbing his left forearm after each pitch where a "shiny" substance is located. The commentator suspects pine tar as the substance at the :31 mark.

    Second video is Red Sox against Yankees. Same move to arm.
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    Re: Are Redsox pitchers using a foreign substance to cheat?

    Huh.

    Danny Picard of Boston Metro reports that, during Game 1 of the ALCS on Saturday, a man claiming to be an Astros employee was removed by security. The man was in the media-credentialed area next to the Red Sox dugout but he did not have media credentials. He was, however, using a small camera and texting frequently. When the man was taken away from the area, an Astros staffer tried to intervene, saying he was authorized to be in the area. Security did not buy the story, so the man was not allowed to return to that area but was allowed to remain in the ballpark.
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    Re: Are Redsox pitchers using a foreign substance to cheat?

    Of course they do!

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    Re: Are Redsox pitchers using a foreign substance to cheat?

    Quote Originally Posted by CinematicFusion View Post
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    Have the Redsox been caught cheating in the ALDS and ALCS?

    A video uploaded to There is a link witter by @CodyDaeschner and Joe Reyes shows what the commentator believes is Redsox pitcher, Matt Barnes, cheating in Game 2 of the ALCS.

    The commentator points out Barnes grabbing his left forearm after each pitch where a "shiny" substance is located. The commentator suspects pine tar as the substance at the :31 mark.

    Second video is Red Sox against Yankees. Same move to arm.

    If it's on the pitchers forearm and you don't see a dark brown streak it's probably not pine tar. Pine tar is a poor choice because it is so detectable, David wells has used shaving cream on the forearm, and there is something called Firmgrip



    here is a link to a deadspin article http://https://deadspin.com/a-major-...all-1562307090

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    Re: Are Redsox pitchers using a foreign substance to cheat?

    Most likely was sunscreen + rosin. Guys use it to improve their grip, especially when it's cold out. Doesn't doctor the ball the same way moist substances do (so no weird movement like you'd expect on, say, a Vagisil or jalapeno snot ball), but the improved grip can help guys improve the spin rate on their breaking pitches and, thus, add movement to curveballs and sliders.

    The interesting thing that never occurred to the drunken hillbilly who posted the original video is that he isn't some unique wizard who managed to pick out nefarious cheating on his TV set via heroic diligence and pure genius. The guys on the field can all see this. Every single one of them. Every player, every coaches, every umpire, and all of the fans in attendance are much, much closer to the action than you. They can all see this, and most of them do. They don't complain because they don't care. The reason they don't care is twofold;

    A. most pitchers do this occasionally, especially on cold nights.
    B. the guy in the box usually feels a lot better when the dude throwing 98 can keep the ball further away from his face.

    I don't really hold it against the angry redneck who ranted against Barnes/Kelly in his inebriated stupor. He probably isn't a hardcore baseball fan and has no idea what he's watching. What I don't get is how the media, who are ostensibly knowledgable, were so eager to jump on this as though it was legitimate news. Or at least they were, until the Astros totally didn't get caught doing anything untoward the next night. Fun stuff.

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    Re: Are Redsox pitchers using a foreign substance to cheat?

    Every team in the majors cheats from time to time. Just MHO


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    Re: Are Redsox pitchers using a foreign substance to cheat?

    If you ain’t cheatin’, you ain’t tryin’.

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    Re: Are Redsox pitchers using a foreign substance to cheat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Marsh View Post
    If you ain’t cheatin’, you ain’t tryin’.


    Just remember the phantom double play. Even the umps participated willingly.


    How about the strike zone. Read the rule book and watch at what the umps and players consider the strike zone. Until the rule book is changed, that is cheating.


    there are many numerous examples


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nome View Post
    Just remember the phantom double play. Even the umps participated willingly.


    How about the strike zone. Read the rule book and watch at what the umps and players consider the strike zone. Until the rule book is changed, that is cheating.


    there are many numerous examples


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    I don’t know, I’d cite the next maxim: It ain’t cheatin' if you don’t get caught.

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    Re: Are Redsox pitchers using a foreign substance to cheat?

    Yes. Look at Ryan Brasier, whose spin rate is dramaticly up. Look at those videos, look at a notorious orgainization for cheating, and what you'll come up with is the the Red won the WS because their a bunch of filty cheaters

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    Yes. Look at Ryan Brasier, whose spin rate is dramaticly up. Look at those videos, look at a notorious orgainization for cheating, and what you'll come up with is the the Red won the WS because their a bunch of filty cheaters
    At least they didn't employ any Yankee clubhouse attendants.

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    Re: Are Redsox pitchers using a foreign substance to cheat?

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    Yes. Look at Ryan Brasier, whose spin rate is dramaticly up. Look at those videos, look at a notorious orgainization for cheating, and what you'll come up with is the the Red won the WS because their a bunch of filty cheaters
    It ain't cheating if you don't get caught.
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    Re: Are Redsox pitchers using a foreign substance to cheat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yanks99 View Post
    Yes. Look at Ryan Brasier, whose spin rate is dramaticly up. Look at those videos, look at a notorious orgainization for cheating, and what you'll come up with is the the Red won the WS because their a bunch of filty cheaters
    "...the Red won the WS because their a bunch of filty cheaters."

    And you must have cheated in English class.

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    Re: Are Redsox pitchers using a foreign substance to cheat?

    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    It ain't cheating if you don't get caught.


    You beat me to it. Cheating has been a part of baseball since Abner Doubleday's time. Every one does/did it including our Yankees. Let the MLB office and umpires handle it.


    We should just attend some games and watch more on TV and love the way the game is played


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    Re: Are Redsox pitchers using a foreign substance to cheat?

    Quote Originally Posted by JoePepitonesHair View Post
    "...the Red won the WS because their a bunch of filty cheaters."

    And you must have cheated in English class.
    Cheated? How about cut?
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    Re: Are Redsox pitchers using a foreign substance to cheat?

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    Cheated? How about cut?
    English was one class I disliked. Cutting was easy.


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    Re: Are Redsox pitchers using a foreign substance to cheat?

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    English was one class I disliked. Cutting was easy.


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    Re: Are Redsox pitchers using a foreign substance to cheat?

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    If I heard the word “participle” one more time....
    What, you never liked that word? Am I following you?

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    Re: Are Redsox pitchers using a foreign substance to cheat?

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    If I heard the word “participle” one more time....

    You were sent to the participle's office one time too many.

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    For Russ, Andy, and I, school was a whole lot easier back then. Not as much history to remember.
    Ask me about my groin pull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalYankeeFan View Post
    If I heard the word “participle” one more time....
    One of my pet peeves is mixing up affect and effect.
    Forgive me for taking the Contrarian view

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archer1979 View Post
    For Russ, Andy, and I, school was a whole lot easier back then. Not as much history to remember.
    Still too much grammar, though, evidently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longtimeyankeefan View Post
    One of my pet peeves is mixing up affect and effect.

    I hate that too but I try not to let if affect me.
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    Re: Are Redsox pitchers using a foreign substance to cheat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ram Man View Post
    I hate that too but I try not to let if affect me.
    If 'if' affects you, you may have a conditional condition.
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