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12-06-18 10:33 AM #9151
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Re: Official 2018-19 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread
Tanaka>Price
Paxton>Evo (selling Pax short here)
I'll give you Sale, but Sevy (when he's on like he was in the 1st half this past season) can come pretty damn close. Sale also tends to get worse as the season goes on, usually
You can gladly take Price, Evo and Sale...lol
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12-06-18 10:35 AM #9152
Re: Official 2018-19 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread
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12-06-18 10:35 AM #9153
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Boston resigning Eovaldi is a big kick to the nads. Yanks made the trade to bring him over from Miami and he blew out his arm. I thought he showed a ton of promise here, and I know I'm in the minority. Then we lose him and he goes to Boston to be the key pitcher for them in a World Series run. Now he resigns with them and we will have our right handed bats squashed every time we face him.
Great move by Boston.
I hate it for the Yankees. Now they need Happ. (And probably a right hander IMO).
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12-06-18 10:35 AM #9154
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12-06-18 10:35 AM #9155
Re: Official 2018-19 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread
I'm not sure why you think will is being dishonest here.. I happen to agree with him.
There is certainly a chance that it finally clicked for Eovaldi, and that his postseason heroics were a sign of things to come. But his track record of performance and injury makes it more likely that was just a decent pitcher who was healthy and at the top of his game at the right time, rather than a new normal baseline for him.
You name 4 pitchers, 3 of whom are hall of famers and one borderline hall of famer. And the 3 who are hall of famers constitute 3 of the best pitchers who have ever walked the earth. Those are not exactly baseline comps for a guy like Eovaldi..
I steadfastly believe at this moment that Eovaldi is one of the very overrated guys going right now thanks to a perfectly times month of heroics. Could I be wrong? Certainly, but even if those to think that like turn out to be wrong and Eovalid wins back to back cy young awards, that would not make those opinions as stated today dishonest in any way..
Just an edit for detail purposes: I do not think Eovaldi sucks.. I just don't think he is the savior and TOR guy that most think he now fits as. I would not be shocked to see Happ outperform him this year..I used to think I was crazy... Now I am sure of it..
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12-06-18 10:36 AM #9156
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Re: Official 2018-19 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread
I saw on Twitter that the Sox estimated payroll right now with Eovaldi is at $243M. They have some other holes they need to fill as well.
I would not be pleased if our payroll is considerably less than theirs, or less than theirs at all.
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12-06-18 10:36 AM #9157
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12-06-18 10:37 AM #9158
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12-06-18 10:37 AM #9159
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12-06-18 10:38 AM #9160
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Evo is just as likely to revert back to what he was before last season than he is a repeat of 2018.
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12-06-18 10:39 AM #9161
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This Yankee team desperately needs an ace. A arm that every start is a stopper who can shut the other team down and prevent any kind of extended losing streaks. To me, that is one of the big advantages that the sux have. And for all the talk about Severino being that guy, I’m not at all convinced as they couldn’t even fix him from tipping his pitches despite knowing full well that he was doing so.
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12-06-18 10:39 AM #9162
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Re: Official 2018-19 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread
I know the other guy is living in a pipe dream. We have nobody that can match Sale and price. Yes Price sucked but at the end last year he found it and even shut us down.
If we went to there 4th and 5th starters it would be even wider as CC is our 4th which there Bull pen couch is better then him and 5th is a coin toss for us
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12-06-18 10:41 AM #9163
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Re: Eovaldi's contract
Correction: It wasnt the Phillies owner who said they're going to spend stupid money. It was Red Sox owner John Henry. 😁"Somebody once asked me if I ever went up to the plate trying to hit a home run. I said, 'Sure, every time.'" -- Mickey Mantle
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12-06-18 10:41 AM #9164
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12-06-18 10:42 AM #9165
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The key here is Severino.. Was he tipping? If so and it gets corrected is he the pitcher we saw first half of the season?
If the answer to that is in the positive for us, I think we match up well with anyone, including the Boston top 3.
But if the guy we get going forward is more the second half Sevy for whatever reason, then yeah, we in BIG trouble..I used to think I was crazy... Now I am sure of it..
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12-06-18 10:42 AM #9166
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12-06-18 10:43 AM #9167
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I think saying they’re clearly better underrates Tanaka and Paxton a bit. Evoaldi pitched 111 in the regular season last year. Yeah he was lights out in the playoffs. That was what, 22 IP? He hasn’t had a season like either of our top three guys.
He’s overrated, BUT he might be worth the long term investment. Let’s not act like there’s no risk of giving him almost $70 million for four years.
Originally Posted by JDPNYY
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12-06-18 10:43 AM #9168
Re: Official 2018-19 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread
Four years, $67.5 million for Eovaldi.
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12-06-18 10:43 AM #9169
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12-06-18 10:44 AM #9170
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Re: Official 2018-19 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread
It means that I found it an odd choice of language to describe what happened in that series. I asked the question because I had no idea what he meant by the phrase.
The Red Sox bitch slapped the Astros this year. Does that detract from the Astros winning it all in 2017? For 2018 the Red Sox were the best team in MLB. Period. End of discussion. Attempting to detract from it with nitpicky points- especially something from a previous season- doesn't change it.
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12-06-18 10:45 AM #9171
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Re: Official 2018-19 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread
The Yanks should've offered Happ a contract awhile ago. Now his agent knows he has the Yankees by the balls and they are gonna play hardball. Especially with the Phillies also looming. This could be an ugly contract.
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12-06-18 10:45 AM #9172
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12-06-18 10:45 AM #9173
Re: Official 2018-19 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread
based on what? Price is an ace against pretty much any team not wearing an interlocking NY. Tanaka is 29. At 29, Price had 30 more wins, an ERA a half run lower and a CYA. In 3 years in Boston Price has put up similar numbers to Tanaka...and that's with him being injured for a significant portion of the season last year.
this one could be a wash, but if healthy Evo's ceiling is significantly higher based simply on arm talent (to borrow a term from the NFL)
if I had the choice I would.
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12-06-18 10:46 AM #9174
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12-06-18 10:46 AM #9175
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