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10-12-18 09:55 AM #501
Re: Official 2018-19 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread
Again...Andujar is already an overpay. You are comparing prospects who were in AA to a player who had a ROY campaign. Two main prospects who one in his 2nd season wasn't league average (Moncada) and the 2nd just underwent TJ surgery (Kopech). Not to mention, how much more valuable Sale was at the time of trade. You cannot compare the inherent risks of prospects in AA with someone who just had a successful ROY type major league season. The latter do not get traded due to their immense value.
SC wrote up whole vast thing on this before:
http://www.nyyfansforum.com/showthre...=1#post8520266Calmer than you are
7/30/2017: The day the Minnesota Twins bought a prospect from the New York Yankees.
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10-12-18 09:56 AM #502
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Re: Official 2018-19 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread
I am hoping that Kershaw decides to opt out - at 30 years old and with $65M remaining, he might figuring he can get a four year deal that goes far beyond the $65M total number.
If he opts out, Cashman better be all over him, IMO.
BTW - I like the proposed Arizona trade.Forgive me for taking the Contrarian view
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10-12-18 09:59 AM #503
Re: Official 2018-19 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread
I suspect Kershaw will opt out of his contract. You can debate whether it's wise to sink that much money into a 30 year old pitcher with injury concerns and declining peripherals but he would certainly be a top of the rotation starter if healthy. Edit: longtimeyankeefan beat me to it.
David Ortiz tested positive for performance enhancing drugs in 2003.
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10-12-18 10:02 AM #504
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Re: Official 2018-19 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread
Pardon. What benefit is there to signing him?
Beats me. I just know Corbin wouldn't fill our pitching needs.
An ace who can only pitch like an ace for the first half of the season.
He's ok. Maybe good. It's a marginal upgrade to our staff.
I'm not in favor of going out and signing more offense since that doesn't address our biggest need, but if comes down to spending money on a #3 pitcher or more home runs, I'd go with home runs.
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10-12-18 10:05 AM #505
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10-12-18 10:12 AM #506
Re: Official 2018-19 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread
Calmer than you are
7/30/2017: The day the Minnesota Twins bought a prospect from the New York Yankees.
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10-12-18 10:12 AM #507
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Re: Official 2018-19 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread
Yes, I won't disagree. But enough of an upgrade to make a difference? Enough of an upgrade to justify the $? In my opinion, no. The front office needs to be all-in on finding a true ace. They can make whatever moves they want in the off-season, and some of them might make us better as a team, but unless we get a legit #1 starter (and probably #2 as well) we aren't winning a WS.
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10-12-18 10:21 AM #508
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Re: Official 2018-19 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread
Hindsight doesn't matter. It is how those prospects were viewed at the time of the deal. Three of them were top 100.
Fine.. take Andujar and Torres off the table. We don't have the prospects to get it done. One top 50 guy is not enough. For example, the Astros have 2 top 10 and 3 top 50. They can get it done without giving up major league talent, and if DeGrom becomes available you can bet every contender will be on the phone with the Mets.
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10-12-18 10:32 AM #509
Re: Official 2018-19 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread
Calmer than you are
7/30/2017: The day the Minnesota Twins bought a prospect from the New York Yankees.
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10-12-18 10:43 AM #510
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10-12-18 10:49 AM #511
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Calmer than you are
7/30/2017: The day the Minnesota Twins bought a prospect from the New York Yankees.
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10-12-18 10:59 AM #512
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10-12-18 11:04 AM #513
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10-12-18 11:19 AM #514
Re: Official 2018-19 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread
CP, I normally side with you, but in this case, I actually agree with JL.
At the deadline I read and heard in several places that the Wilpons view a successful day in baseball as a day when the Mets win and the Yankees lose. It was stated that they do not even enjoy their own team winning on a given day unless the Yankees also lose..
Given that, we are not dealing with a GM or organizational philosophy, we are dealing with an ownership who has an irrational hatred for the Yankees. This is not just an overpay on a rational level, it has to be a stupid deal.. It has to be the type of deal that if DeGrom wins the CYA award for the Yankees next year and gets us title number 28, the Mets have to feel they still won the deal.. People are debating packages headed by Andujar or Torres. Forget that, you have to be talking about Andujar AND Torres. Again, I realize it is completely dumb to even consider that, but that is the price for the irrational hatred.
It's a message board so I am never going to say to anyone that we should not even bother discussing a topic, but to me, dealing with the Mets on any significant level comes close. They'd rather take a far lesser package from anyone else than entertain a mere scintilla of thought of helping the Yankees. Obtaining DeGrom is not about entertaining an overpay, it is about entertaining a system wide organizational rape.
Never were these teams more matched than this year. The Mets deep in starters, even beyond deGrom, the Yankees able to give the Mets a young athletic bat. If the Mets were the Marlins or the Padres, a deal would have been done. These teams cannot share a weight room facility without fighting.
Wheteher any of the Mets pitchers were on the trade table or whether they will be is not of any consequence to us, because even if so they would only be on the table for the other 28 teams.I used to think I was crazy... Now I am sure of it..
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10-12-18 11:27 AM #515
Re: Official 2018-19 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread
I don't really buy into much tabloid nonsense. If the Mets are going to be irrational, they are going to be irrational. However, Cashman never offered Andj OR Gley for DeGrom in their midseason negotiations. So we have no idea what their response to such a gross overpay would actually be.
Calmer than you are
7/30/2017: The day the Minnesota Twins bought a prospect from the New York Yankees.
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10-12-18 11:34 AM #516
Re: Official 2018-19 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread
Trades like this have occurred before.
Dan Haren for Carlos Gonzalez
Rick Sutcliffe for Joe Carter & Mel Hall
Josh Beckett (& Mike Lowell) for Hanley Ramirez
Curt Schilling for Vicente Padilla
Kevin Brown for Derrek Lee
Roy Halladay for Kyle Drabek (and others)
Randy Johnson for Freddy Garcia, Carlos Guillen & John Halama
David Cone for Jeff KentThis is not America...No! https://youtu.be/neLXqbR_r0E
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10-12-18 11:35 AM #517
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Re: Official 2018-19 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread
I’m hopeful that Cashman will be very aggressive in acquiring starting pitching. The luxury tax was holding him back last year, but that’s not an issue this year.
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10-12-18 11:36 AM #518
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Re: Official 2018-19 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread
I would agree with you if Andujars defense wasn't extraordinarily bad. If it was just bad, NL teams would figure it would improve and doesn't matter given his bat; and then he would have a lot more value than Moncada had at the time of the Sale trade.
But IF it's a foregone certainty he cannot play 3B and will likely struggle even at 1B or LF, I think his trade value takes a big hit despite his great hitting season. Plus, there's already the risk that he doesn't improve his OBP. If he doesn't, his bat might not b good enough to justify his DH status (or shoddy defense)
Even if DeGrom was on a team willing to deal with the Yanks, I don't think Andujar and Sheffield would be enough
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10-12-18 11:39 AM #519
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10-12-18 11:41 AM #520
Re: Official 2018-19 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread
He's not the first infielder to struggle in his first year, as historically bad it is. Normally, the very easy decision would be to move him to the corner OF. His arm would play out there in either position. However, we can't do that as we have Giancarlo and Judge already manning those positions. Hiding an offensive monster is a lot easier issue to solve, than hiding a defensive player with no offense.
Calmer than you are
7/30/2017: The day the Minnesota Twins bought a prospect from the New York Yankees.
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10-12-18 11:55 AM #521
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Re: Official 2018-19 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread
There is only ONE possible way to acquire DeGrom.
Cashman has to approach a third team who promised to not divulge the plan. Work out a deal with that team contingent on them acquiring DeGrom, then they flip him to NYY.
Not only would we finally have an ace, but the added bonus of the Wilpons losing their freakin minds would be absolute hilarity.
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10-12-18 12:12 PM #522
Re: Official 2018-19 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread
NYY to retain coaches: https://nypost.com/2018/10/12/yankee...oones-coaches/
(not sure if posted before / cheerio)
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10-12-18 12:17 PM #523
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10-12-18 12:24 PM #524
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Re: Official 2018-19 Offseason / Hot Stove Thread
I hear Hal and Cashman will be addressing the media today. Here’s what this fan wants to hear as opposed to the usual spin. I want to hear they are upset that under their watch Boston has become the dominant team in the AL East. I want to hear they are embarrassed that Boston celebrated on their field twice. And I want to hear Hal state that it’s unacceptable with their massive revenues he spent 60 million less than Boston this season and I want a commitment it won’t be the case next season.
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10-12-18 12:35 PM #525
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