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    MVP Conversation

    Who ya got?

    AL - Trout or Mookie?
    NL - Goldschmidt or Carpenter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Marsh View Post
    Who ya got?

    AL - Trout or Mookie?
    NL - Goldschmidt or Carpenter?
    Christian Yelich and Javier Baez should also be in the conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t View Post
    Christian Yelich and Javier Baez should also be in the conversation.
    Agree with Yelich. In the last few days, heís passed Carpenter in my book. IDK about Javy, but Iíd put Freddie Freeman in the mix as well. If I had a vote and the season just ended, Iíd go with Yelich. Pretty tight, so I think these last 2 weeks will matter in the NL.

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    If the voting were done today my top 5 in order in
    AL: Mookie, Trout, Ramirez, Bregman, Chapman
    NL: Yelich, Baez, Freeman, Goldschmidt, Story
    Baseball is life;
    the rest is just details.

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    AL: JD
    NL: Javy

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    As we’re in the last few days of the season, things have been clearer.

    Mookie seems like a pretty easy call in the AL to me. But will he and JD split the Red Sox vote and see it fall to Trout?

    I don’t see anyone challenging Christian Yelich in the NL.

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    How about Luke Voit?

    /sarcasm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Marsh View Post
    As weíre in the last few days of the season, things have been clearer.

    Mookie seems like a pretty easy call in the AL to me. But will he and JD split the Red Sox vote and see it fall to Trout?

    I donít see anyone challenging Christian Yelich in the NL.
    Itís Mookie or JD in my opinion.

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    Mookie wins easily.

    JD doesnít have a chance, his defensive WAR is -1.4

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    Betts and Yelich IMO

    It was Trout until he got hurt and missed a bunch of time though.

    I think Trout still leads in WRC+ though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannyyankou View Post
    Mookie wins easily.

    JD doesn’t have a chance, his defensive WAR is -1.4
    So what. Hitting is way more valuable than fielding. They aren’t equal.

    But that being said Mookie is a fine choice. Obviously

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightingirish595 View Post
    So what. Hitting is way more valuable than fielding. They arenít equal.

    But that being said Mookie is a fine choice. Obviously
    But Jd & Mookie are "close enough" offensively. There is no comparison on defense where Mookie is a plus defender and JD is a liability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    But Jd & Mookie are "close enough" offensively. There is no comparison on defense where Mookie is a plus defender and JD is a liability.
    This is true. especially in right field in fenway

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    But Jd & Mookie are "close enough" offensively. There is no comparison on defense where Mookie is a plus defender and JD is a liability.
    Yeah this, if JD was significantly better offensively Iíd say he has a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannyyankou View Post
    Yeah this, if JD was significantly better offensively I’d say he has a chance.
    Well JD has like 50 more RBIs. That means something. JD is very deserving of the award. So is Mookie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightingirish595 View Post
    Well JD has like 50 more RBIs. That means something. JD is very deserving of the award. So is Mookie.
    Mookie also has about 50 fewer strikeouts. He bats leadoff, which explains the fewer RBI. He also has a significantly higher OBP and more runs scored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannyyankou View Post
    Mookie also has about 50 fewer strikeouts. He bats leadoff, which explains the fewer RBI. He also has a significantly higher OBP and more runs scored.
    mookie also has 30 stolen bases. Hes a savage.


    I just dont think JDs defensive status should disqualify him or not give him a chance. They should be 1 and 2 in the voting

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    Yeah Yelich is definitely the MVP now. Can still win the triple crown! damn. I wanted us to aquire him badly last off season

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightingirish595 View Post
    mookie also has 30 stolen bases. Hes a savage.


    I just dont think JDs defensive status should disqualify him or not give him a chance. They should be 1 and 2 in the voting
    Mookie should absoluetly win.


    JD should 4th or 5th behind Trout, Chapman, Ramirez & Bregman
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    Mookie should absoluetly win.


    JD should 4th or 5th behind Trout, Chapman, Ramirez & Bregman
    I'd put Lindor ahead, too. His season (38 bombs, 42 doubles, and 70 walks while providing great defense at a prime position) is as or more valuable than JD's monster year at the plate and negative defensive value. He ranks at least 1.5 wins better in both bWAR and fWAR.

    I've also noticed JD is getting about as much love as Mookie with some of the analysts, which I find worrisome. Some of the traditionalists and former ballplayers still brutally overvalue RBI. JD had an amazing year, but a league average hitter would have likely driven in 100 or more if you let them bat cleanup for this year's Sox squad. In fact, over his last 76 games, JBJ managed to drive in 42 runs out of the 9 hole. It's a matter of opportunity, and JD just had way more of them than Mookie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson'sCornrows View Post
    I'd put Lindor ahead, too. His season (38 bombs, 42 doubles, and 70 walks while providing great defense at a prime position) is as or more valuable than JD's monster year at the plate and negative defensive value. He ranks at least 1.5 wins better in both bWAR and fWAR.

    I've also noticed JD is getting about as much love as Mookie with some of the analysts, which I find worrisome. Some of the traditionalists and former ballplayers still brutally overvalue RBI. JD had an amazing year, but a league average hitter would have likely driven in 100 or more if you let them bat cleanup for this year's Sox squad. It's a matter of opportunity, and JD just had way more of them than Mookie.
    What a great point! Here are the OBPís for the Red Sox 1-2-3 spots in the order ahead of JD:

    1 - .418
    2 - .340
    3 - .353

    Mookie comes up once each game with a guarantee that no one will be on base in front of him when he leads off the game. Here are the OBPís for their 7-8-9 spots in the order ahead of Mookie:

    7 - .298
    8 - .267
    9 - .312

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    Mookie should absoluetly win.


    JD should 4th or 5th behind Trout, Chapman, Ramirez & Bregman
    Why?

    He nearly won the triple crown.

    If you are going to give the DH argument, then how do Pitchers who dont bat win the MVP sometimes? You dont need both if you dominate one side of it. JD was a HUGE part of the Red Sox success this season. IMO, he made players like Betts and Bennintendi have better hitting stats this season where we saw last year what happened without his presence.

    Dont get me wrong though, Betts is nasty and I do pick him for the AL MVP, but to throw away JD like nothing is not right. I bet he is top 3.
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    I'd give it to Trout over Mookie just because I hate the Sox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BabyBombers View Post
    Why?

    He nearly won the triple crown.

    If you are going to give the DH argument, then how do Pitchers who dont bat win the MVP sometimes? You dont need both if you dominate one side of it. JD was a HUGE part of the Red Sox success this season. IMO, he made players like Betts and Bennintendi have better hitting stats this season where we saw last year what happened without his presence.

    Dont get me wrong though, Betts is nasty and I do pick him for the AL MVP, but to throw away JD like nothing is not right. I bet he is top 3.
    Why? Because the other guys I mentioned plus Lindor from BC all had great offisive years and contributed greatly on defense usually at premium positions and/or base running positives.

    JD is clearly the silver slugger at DH and was a large part of Bostonís success but heís not the MVP and should not finish in the top 3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RhodyYanksFan View Post
    I'd give it to Trout over Mookie just because I hate the Sox.
    At least youíre being honest about it
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