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    Re: Scoring change proposal - stolen bases/strikeouts

    Quote Originally Posted by JDPNYY View Post
    Here are all the players with 10 or more SBs so far this season.

    If we were to make SBs 1.5 points, the average points any player would add to their weekly total would be .61 points. Making the average points 1.21 if we increased SBs to 2 points per SB. That's taking into account that we don't make a Caught Stealing more than -1 as well. That said, the impact is negligible and thus the rule change is not necessary.


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    Player	                SB	CS	Diff	*.5	Pt/Wk	*1	Pt/Wk
    Trea Turner SS |WAS	31	8	23	11.50	0.61	23.00	1.21
    Starling Marte LF |PIT 	28	8	20	10.00	0.53	20.00	1.05
    Billy Hamilton CF | CIN	27	4	23	11.50	0.61	23.00	1.21
    Jose Ramirez 3B | CLE 	27	5	22	11.00	0.58	22.00	1.16
    Dee Gordon 2B | SEA 	26	8	18	9.00	0.47	18.00	0.95
    Whit Merrifield 2B | KC	25	6	19	9.50	0.50	19.00	1.00
    Mallex Smith CF | TB 	25	8	17	8.50	0.45	17.00	0.89
    Michael Taylor CF | WAS	24	5	19	9.50	0.50	19.00	1.00
    Ender Inciarte CF |ATL 	23	8	15	7.50	0.39	15.00	0.79
    Tim Anderson SS | CHW 	22	7	15	7.50	0.39	15.00	0.79
    Mookie Betts RF | BOS 	22	3	19	9.50	0.50	19.00	1.00
    Mike Trout CF | LAA 	21	2	19	9.50	0.50	19.00	1.00
    And Benintendi LFBOS 	20	2	18	9.00	0.47	18.00	0.95
    Lorenzo Cain CF | MIL 	20	5	15	7.50	0.39	15.00	0.79
    Javier Baez 2B | CHC 	19	5	14	7.00	0.37	14.00	0.74
    Jose Peraza 2B | CIN	18	4	14	7.00	0.37	14.00	0.74
    D DeShields LF|TEX 	18	3	15	7.50	0.39	15.00	0.79
    Jean Segura SS | SEA 	17	9	8	4.00	0.21	8.00	0.42
    F Lindor SS|CLE 	17	5	12	6.00	0.32	12.00	0.63
    Rajai Davis CF | CLE 	16	5	11	5.50	0.29	11.00	0.58
    Jarrod Dyson CF | ARI 	16	3	13	6.50	0.34	13.00	0.68
    T Jankowski LF | SD 	15	4	11	5.50	0.29	11.00	0.58
    J Villar 2B | BAL 	15	2	13	6.50	0.34	13.00	0.68
    C Yelich CF | MIL	14	2	12	6.00	0.32	12.00	0.63
    Jose Iglesias SS | DET	14	6	8	4.00	0.21	8.00	0.42
    Jose Altuve 2B | HOU 	14	2	12	6.00	0.32	12.00	0.63
    C Hernandez 2B | PHI	14	3	11	5.50	0.29	11.00	0.58
    Trevor Story SS | COL 	14	5	9	4.50	0.24	9.00	0.47
    Kevin Pillar CF | TOR	13	1	12	6.00	0.32	12.00	0.63
    A Mondesi 2B | KC 	12	3	9	4.50	0.24	9.00	0.47
    Marcus Semien SS | OAK 	12	5	7	3.50	0.18	7.00	0.37
    Adam Engel CF | CHW	12	3	9	4.50	0.24	9.00	0.47
    Ian Desmond LF | COL 	12	4	8	4.00	0.21	8.00	0.42
    H Bader CF | STL 	12	2	10	5.00	0.26	10.00	0.53
    Jackie Bradley CF | BOS	11	0	11	5.50	0.29	11.00	0.58
    Ozzie Albies 2B | ATL 	11	3	8	4.00	0.21	8.00	0.42
    Ian Kinsler 2B | BOS 	11	4	7	3.50	0.18	7.00	0.37
    Leury Garcia CF | CHW 	11	1	10	5.00	0.26	10.00	0.53
    Manny Machado 3B | LAD 	11	1	10	5.00	0.26	10.00	0.53
    Yoan Moncada 2B | CHW 	11	4	7	3.50	0.18	7.00	0.37
    Amed Rosario SS | NYM	11	6	5	2.50	0.13	5.00	0.26
    Tommy Pham LF | TB 	10	6	4	2.00	0.11	4.00	0.21
    Yolmer Sanchez 2B | CHW	10	2	8	4.00	0.21	8.00	0.42
    Brett Gardner LF | NYY 	10	1	9	4.50	0.24	9.00	0.47
    Craig Gentry RF | BAL 	10	3	7	3.50	0.18	7.00	0.37
    A.J. Pollock CF | ARI 	10	2	8	4.00	0.21	8.00	0.42
    Hernan Perez LF | MIL	10	2	8	4.00	0.21	8.00	0.42
    D Gregorius SS | NYY 	10	6	4	2.00	0.11	4.00	0.21
    Manuel Margot CF | SD 	10	9	1	0.50	0.03	1.00	0.05
    ^fake news
    Last edited by Hitman23; 08-10-18 at 02:44 PM.

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    Re: Scoring change proposal - stolen bases/strikeouts

    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman23 View Post
    But it's still unnecessary.

    But I don't believe that would offset anything either. I suggested that instead of every out being a full point, have it be 0.5 points. Then you could raise the K back to a full point, giving the pitcher full credit for dominating the out. A K is worth half of of what the defense does to get an out. It should be the other way around.
    Quote Originally Posted by PinstripePride View Post
    I think that's a better argument (if you said it earlier, I missed it), but still not sold. Someone wanna calculate out how that would affect the top 10 pitchers in scoring?
    Despite the stupid fake news responses, I'm trying to logically look at these suggestions.

    Right now we get 1 point for a third of an inning. You want to look at what if we made a third of an inning .5 points and then another 1 point for a K... Correct?

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    Re: Scoring change proposal - stolen bases/strikeouts

    Quote Originally Posted by JDPNYY View Post
    Despite the stupid fake news responses, I'm trying to logically look at these suggestions.

    Right now we get 1 point for a third of an inning. You want to look at what if we made a third of an inning .5 points and then another 1 point for a K... Correct?
    This would result in significantly less points for Pitchers... I used the top 25 thru yesterday's stats...

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    Player	                INN	K    Orig Pts     (A)	  Sub Tot   (B)   New Points	Diff
    Max Scherzer SP | WAS 	161.67	216	544	242.5	301.5	108	409.5	-134.5
    J Verlander SP | HOU 	158.33	206	498	237.5	260.5	103	363.5	-134.5
    Corey Kluber SP | CLE 	161	153	489.5	241.5	248.0	76.5	324.5	-165.0
    Chris Sale SP | BOS 	141	207	465.5	211.5	254.0	103.5	357.5	-108.0
    Jacob deGrom SP | NYM 	152.33	183	462.5	228.5	234.0	91.5	325.5	-137.0
    Trevor Bauer SP | CLE 	159.67	206	450	239.5	210.5	103	313.5	-136.5
    Aaron Nola SP | PHI 	148	144	438	222.0	216.0	72	288.0	-150.0
    Gerrit Cole SP | HOU 	146.33	202	437	219.5	217.5	101	318.5	-118.5
    Luis Severino SP | NYY 	150.33	167	416.5	225.5	191.0	83.5	274.5	-142.0
    Zack Greinke SP | ARI 	149.67	152	404	224.5	179.5	76	255.5	-148.5
    P Corbin SP | ARI 	148.67	183	391.5	223.0	168.5	91.5	260.0	-131.5
    Miles Mikolas SP | STL 	144.33	98	382	216.5	165.5	49	214.5	-167.5
    C Morton SP | HOU 	131.33	167	374.5	197.0	177.5	83.5	261.0	-113.5
    Jose Berrios SP | MIN 	150	153	369.5	225.0	144.5	76.5	221.0	-148.5
    James Paxton SP | SEA 	139	175	368.5	208.5	160.0	87.5	247.5	-121.0
    Blake Snell SP | TB 	123	137	359.5	184.5	175.0	68.5	243.5	-116.0
    Edwin Diaz RP | SEA 	56	94	342	84.0	258.0	47	305.0	-37.0
    M Clevinger SP | CLE 	146.67	144	341	220.0	121.0	72	193.0	-148.0
    C Carrasco SP | CLE 	129.33	146	337	194.0	143.0	73	216.0	-121.0
    Rick Porcello SP | BOS 	144.67	140	335	217.0	118.0	70	188.0	-147.0
    Sean Manaea SP | OAK 	144	99	331.5	216.0	115.5	49.5	165.0	-166.5
    Kyle Freeland SP | COL 	139	110	319	208.5	110.5	55	165.5	-153.5
    M Gonzales SP | SEA 	137.67	121	316.5	206.5	110.0	60.5	170.5	-146.0
    D Keuchel SP | HOU 	148	110	315	222.0	93.0	55	148.0	-167.0
    Sean Newcomb SP | ATL 	125.67	116	312	188.5	123.5	58	181.5	-130.5
    (A) = Less .5*#innings
    (B) = 1 extra pt for K

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    Re: Scoring change proposal - stolen bases/strikeouts

    Quote Originally Posted by JDPNYY View Post
    This would result in significantly less points for Pitchers... I used the top 25 thru yesterday's stats...

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    Player	                INN	K    Orig Pts     (A)	  Sub Tot   (B)   New Points	Diff
    Max Scherzer SP | WAS 	161.67	216	544	242.5	301.5	108	409.5	-134.5
    J Verlander SP | HOU 	158.33	206	498	237.5	260.5	103	363.5	-134.5
    Corey Kluber SP | CLE 	161	153	489.5	241.5	248.0	76.5	324.5	-165.0
    Chris Sale SP | BOS 	141	207	465.5	211.5	254.0	103.5	357.5	-108.0
    Jacob deGrom SP | NYM 	152.33	183	462.5	228.5	234.0	91.5	325.5	-137.0
    Trevor Bauer SP | CLE 	159.67	206	450	239.5	210.5	103	313.5	-136.5
    Aaron Nola SP | PHI 	148	144	438	222.0	216.0	72	288.0	-150.0
    Gerrit Cole SP | HOU 	146.33	202	437	219.5	217.5	101	318.5	-118.5
    Luis Severino SP | NYY 	150.33	167	416.5	225.5	191.0	83.5	274.5	-142.0
    Zack Greinke SP | ARI 	149.67	152	404	224.5	179.5	76	255.5	-148.5
    P Corbin SP | ARI 	148.67	183	391.5	223.0	168.5	91.5	260.0	-131.5
    Miles Mikolas SP | STL 	144.33	98	382	216.5	165.5	49	214.5	-167.5
    C Morton SP | HOU 	131.33	167	374.5	197.0	177.5	83.5	261.0	-113.5
    Jose Berrios SP | MIN 	150	153	369.5	225.0	144.5	76.5	221.0	-148.5
    James Paxton SP | SEA 	139	175	368.5	208.5	160.0	87.5	247.5	-121.0
    Blake Snell SP | TB 	123	137	359.5	184.5	175.0	68.5	243.5	-116.0
    Edwin Diaz RP | SEA 	56	94	342	84.0	258.0	47	305.0	-37.0
    M Clevinger SP | CLE 	146.67	144	341	220.0	121.0	72	193.0	-148.0
    C Carrasco SP | CLE 	129.33	146	337	194.0	143.0	73	216.0	-121.0
    Rick Porcello SP | BOS 	144.67	140	335	217.0	118.0	70	188.0	-147.0
    Sean Manaea SP | OAK 	144	99	331.5	216.0	115.5	49.5	165.0	-166.5
    Kyle Freeland SP | COL 	139	110	319	208.5	110.5	55	165.5	-153.5
    M Gonzales SP | SEA 	137.67	121	316.5	206.5	110.0	60.5	170.5	-146.0
    D Keuchel SP | HOU 	148	110	315	222.0	93.0	55	148.0	-167.0
    Sean Newcomb SP | ATL 	125.67	116	312	188.5	123.5	58	181.5	-130.5
    (A) = Less .5*#innings
    (B) = 1 extra pt for K
    Not even an extra point for K, just 1 point for K.

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    Re: Scoring change proposal - stolen bases/strikeouts

    Quote Originally Posted by gdn View Post
    Not even an extra point for K, just 1 point for K.
    That would lower pitching pts even more significantly.

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    Re: Scoring change proposal - stolen bases/strikeouts

    Quote Originally Posted by JDPNYY View Post
    Despite the stupid fake news responses, I'm trying to logically look at these suggestions.
    John, you’ve been against anything and everything I’ve said in this league for your tenure in it. So, I don’t think you’re looking at it logically. You’re looking at it and playing with numbers in any way that makes me wrong. It’s in your nature. Always the first to speak out against me.

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    Re: Scoring change proposal - stolen bases/strikeouts

    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman23 View Post
    John, you’ve been against anything and everything I’ve said in this league for your tenure in it. So, I don’t think you’re looking at it logically. You’re looking at it and playing with numbers in any way that makes me wrong. It’s in your nature. Always the first to speak out against me.
    I'm not playing with numbers to make you wrong. I'm taking your suggestion and plugging in numbers to show what the results would be.

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    Re: Scoring change proposal - stolen bases/strikeouts

    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman23 View Post
    John, you’ve been against anything and everything I’ve said in this league for your tenure in it. So, I don’t think you’re looking at it logically. You’re looking at it and playing with numbers in any way that makes me wrong. It’s in your nature. Always the first to speak out against me.
    Then, my suggestion for the change in SB is that it is insignificant. There's no need to do it. My opinion. Nothing against you.
    My suggestion for the change in the K's was to give no suggestion. I pointed out that the change would significantly lower pitching points totals. Maybe people want that.

    I just supplied data. And it's real data.

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    Re: Scoring change proposal - stolen bases/strikeouts

    So you’re against the SB because its insignificant.
    You’re against the K change because its significant.

    Nope, no bias.

    Fake news motherfvcker

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    Re: Scoring change proposal - stolen bases/strikeouts

    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman23 View Post
    So you’re against the SB because its insignificant.
    You’re against the K change because its significant.

    Nope, no bias.

    Fake news motherfvcker
    If you read what I said, I didn't give an opinion on the k change after I looked at the data. Stop being an ass.

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    Re: Scoring change proposal - stolen bases/strikeouts

    Never!!

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    Re: Scoring change proposal - stolen bases/strikeouts

    Ok, getting back to being serious... I had to work until 6 am last night I only took a quick break to bust your balls.

    Why do you believe that it’s too insignificant? I openly stated it’s only to make players who steal bases a little more valuable. It’s nothing that will shock the scoring system. In my mind that’s a good change. It opens up a few more batters that score a decent amount of points. I truly believe that irl players who steal are valuable assets and I believe we should reflect that here. I don’t get why you’re vote is no because it’s too insignificant. I don’t think that should apply. It’s a relatively small amount of players who get a little boost for having a rare and valuable talent. I want it to be two points for a SB. What the overall change to scoring across the league will be is irrelevant. If it was a change that would shock the scoring system then I’d understand. But in this case it’s a minor change. That was my intent.

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    Re: Scoring change proposal - stolen bases/strikeouts

    I think the SB topic is worth an offseason vote. Or an in-season vote. Though good luck with voter turnout... I think the bigger problem might be delinquent team owners though. Does the word contraction ruffle any feathers?

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    Re: Scoring change proposal - stolen bases/strikeouts

    Quote Originally Posted by JMP08 View Post
    I think the SB topic is worth an offseason vote. Or an in-season vote. Though good luck with voter turnout... I think the bigger problem might be delinquent team owners though. Does the word contraction ruffle any feathers?
    i think 18 teams is this league’s sweet spot. I don’t mind 20, and I love how deep it is. That being said, I agree. The non-participants really hurt the integrity of the league this year. I got tired of seeing teams get handed wins, especially those I was chasing. We cannot accept this. Typically in other league we’ve always given the player a chance to redeem themselves. You get one chance and the next time there are severe consequences. I know it’s a free league but I believe a majority of us care and play for pride as hard as we can. That’s one of the biggest charms of this league. We do need to get on top of it.

    If anything I say 18. 3 divisions of 6 teams. In my experience in this league it’s the sweet spot.

    I really want to do the SB change. I’ve been trying for years. I wish folks would look at this with an open mind and see that we reward pitchers, for an example of dumb sht,for stuff like CG and SO, which are a 100th as rare as a SB at least. It’s a stupid reward. We overpay pitchers with points. I’d like to find ways to reward certain players with certain talents to open up some more options in offense. We should maximize the different talents. Home run hitters get largely rewarded. 6 points minimum. As they should. SB are a talent and should be rewarded. It’s not just about advancing one base. It’s also putting yourself in scoring position, forcing the pitcher to pitch out of the stretch, and completely alters the game plan for the rest of the inning.

    The k boost is secondary, although I do find it highly ridiculous that we lowered it to 0.5. I fought against it. A pitcher should be rewarded for an out he created without the help of his defense. But that will increase pitching stats even more which is why I said lower the defensive outs to 0.5 points. It will make the dominant strike out pitchers rise to the cream of the crop where they should be. A mediocre pitcher with an ERA of 4.50 in a game gets rewarded with the QS and 3 points per inning. Low K guys are not that far below high K guys and that just doesn’t reflect real life. Mediocre pitching should not get rewarded with 20 point weeks when that’s a huge week for a batter.

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    Re: Scoring change proposal - stolen bases/strikeouts

    I'd be up for trying to even out the point difference between hitters and pitchers. Honestly it get old reaching for a SP in the first round (because you essentially have to) and then seeing that pitcher get hurt for most of the year.

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    Re: Scoring change proposal - stolen bases/strikeouts

    Agreed. Needs to be nerfed a bit. Not a lot, just a little. We can tinker with it so the dominant guys rise to the top while the mediocre stay at mediocre scoring. I see pitchers drafted in round two that would go in the 10th or 11th in any other format.

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    Re: Scoring change proposal - stolen bases/strikeouts

    Do you think 18 teams is the leagues sweet spot?

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    Re: Scoring change proposal - stolen bases/strikeouts

    Quote Originally Posted by JDPNYY View Post
    Do you think 18 teams is the leagues sweet spot?
    Im sure you’ll disagree.

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    Re: Scoring change proposal - stolen bases/strikeouts

    Quote Originally Posted by JMP08 View Post
    I'd be up for trying to even out the point difference between hitters and pitchers. Honestly it get old reaching for a SP in the first round (because you essentially have to) and then seeing that pitcher get hurt for most of the year.
    It's not that much of a difference between the top SP and top hitters, although SP are valued more than hitters for sure. I like it the way it is - I'd like to go back to 1 point for a K, but I'm fine with trying to up the points for hitters instead. I just don't know that making SBs 2 points is going to do it.

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    Re: Scoring change proposal - stolen bases/strikeouts

    Quote Originally Posted by JDPNYY View Post
    Do you think 18 teams is the leagues sweet spot?
    I do. I love 20 teams and how deep that makes it, but it really does become an absolute struggle with our rules and how fragile SPs have become.

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    Re: Scoring change proposal - stolen bases/strikeouts

    Quote Originally Posted by gdn View Post
    It's not that much of a difference between the top SP and top hitters, although SP are valued more than hitters for sure. I like it the way it is - I'd like to go back to 1 point for a K, but I'm fine with trying to up the points for hitters instead. I just don't know that making SBs 2 points is going to do it.
    Its just one step. If you’re serious about boosting some offensive stats we can do that but this is one that I think should be made now and bring us closer. Even if it’s just a few players getting a little boost. Give them their crumbs.

    We could also lower relief wins from 5 to like 2 or 3. If you blow a save and let in a few unearned runs, and win the game you are a net positive. You should not be.

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