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    Quote Originally Posted by Maynerd View Post
    I agree to your first point. There's not.

    As to the second, why would Boras care? His client is still getting paid. Boras would complain if something underhanded was affecting his client's NEXT contract. Ellsbury's injuries aren't affecting his future employment near as much as his playing performance. If anything, Ellsbury looks better as a denizen of the Disabled List than he would as the Yankees' fifth outfielder (and without his contract, sixth).
    If Ellsbury is being kept on the DL fraudulently, that could definitely affect his next contact. .

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    If Ellsbury is being kept on the DL fraudulently, that could definitely affect his next contact. .
    positively or negatively?


    I honestly don't think there is any fraud. But I also think they are being "as cautious" as possible with his recovery.


    It would not surprise me at all if his string of injuries lasts the whole year.
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    Re: Do you think the yankees are commuting insurance fraud with ellsbury?

    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    If Ellsbury is being kept on the DL fraudulently, that could definitely affect his next contact. .
    It's been three full years since he managed an OPS+ north of 100. He'll be 37 when this albatross of a contract expires. I would contend that the biggest adverse affect to Ellsbury's NEXT contract would come from allowing him to step up to the plate. Who's going to sign a sub-par, late 30s, no power outfielder?

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    Re: Do you think the yankees are commuting insurance fraud with ellsbury?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maynerd View Post
    It's been three full years since he managed an OPS+ north of 100. He'll be 37 when this albatross of a contract expires. I would contend that the biggest adverse affect to Ellsbury's NEXT contract would come from allowing him to step up to the plate. Who's going to sign a sub-par, late 30s, no power outfielder?
    ...who is as fragile as glass.

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    Re: Do you think the yankees are commuting insurance fraud with ellsbury?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maynerd View Post
    It's been three full years since he managed an OPS+ north of 100. He'll be 37 when this albatross of a contract expires. I would contend that the biggest adverse affect to Ellsbury's NEXT contract would come from allowing him to step up to the plate. Who's going to sign a sub-par, late 30s, no power outfielder?
    His only chance to improve on that description is to show that he's got more than that left. It might be a slim chance, but otherwise his situation is exactly what you describe.
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    Re: Do you think the yankees are commuting insurance fraud with ellsbury?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maynerd View Post
    It's been three full years since he managed an OPS+ north of 100. He'll be 37 when this albatross of a contract expires. I would contend that the biggest adverse affect to Ellsbury's NEXT contract would come from allowing him to step up to the plate. Who's going to sign a sub-par, late 30s, no power outfielder?
    The Mets?

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    Re: Do you think the yankees are commuting insurance fraud with ellsbury?

    Wait, does anybody really think there will be a "next contract" for Ellsbury? Three years from now I would rather sign Johnny Damon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grizy View Post
    If there is fraud, it would be between Ellsbury who just wants to call it quits (if that's the case) and Yankees who are happy to play along.
    I wanted to bring this thread back up today. Kinda funny that boomer from boomer and gio on the fan said today, if he was the insurance company he would have an agent watching Ellsbury's every move. They brought it up because of Yoenis Céspedes and the insurance policy in his contract as well as david Wright's contract.

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    Re: Do you think the yankees are committing insurance fraud with ellsbury?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yanks1026 View Post
    I wanted to bring this thread back up today. Kinda funny that boomer from boomer and gio on the fan said today, if he was the insurance company he would have an agent watching Ellsbury's every move. They brought it up because of Yoenis Céspedes and the insurance policy in his contract as well as david Wright's contract.
    Does he honestly believe that an insurance company would pay a claim of this size without investigating the veracity of the claim?

    The insurance company would have experts reviewing all the clinical records, tests, et al before paying the first cent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by longtimeyankeefan View Post
    Does he honestly believe that an insurance company would pay a claim of this size without investigating the veracity of the claim?

    The insurance company would have experts reviewing all the clinical records, tests, et al before paying the first cent.
    Yeah, didn’t anyone see Double Indemnity? Insurance companies don’t like to pay out, and they’re not easy to fool.

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    Re: Do you think the yankees are commuting insurance fraud with ellsbury?

    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    Yeah, didn’t anyone see Double Indemnity? Insurance companies don’t like to pay out, and they’re not easy to fool.
    Yes, but the investigator for the insurance company might have been lured into collusion by a beautiful woman in the Yankees' employ.

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    Re: Do you think the yankees are commuting insurance fraud with ellsbury?

    they are using the DL to gain a roster spot. that's about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longtimeyankeefan View Post
    Does he honestly believe that an insurance company would pay a claim of this size without investigating the veracity of the claim?

    The insurance company would have experts reviewing all the clinical records, tests, et al before paying the first cent.
    He wasnt 100% serious when he said it. It's just a very odd situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yankees_republic View Post
    they are using the DL to gain a roster spot. that's about it.
    And getting back millions of dollars in insurance money. But that means nothing lol.

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    Re: Do you think the yankees are commuting insurance fraud with ellsbury?

    i dont know how baseball insurance usually goes but it's possible to sell a policy that pays out for any kind of nonperformance, including suckitude. it's probably not the case here though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -tz View Post
    Yes, but the investigator for the insurance company might have been lured into collusion by a beautiful woman in the Yankees' employ.
    You can get past Walter Neff that way, but there’s still the little man in Edward G. Robinson’s stomach...

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    Re: Do you think the yankees are commuting insurance fraud with ellsbury?

    I can see something like this happening in baseball. I cannot see the Yankees messing around with insurance fraud. I know it’s a lot of money but the Yankees can absorb his contract. We’re not talking about Oakland here. I do see how it looks though and why some would question it. However, as it’s been stated I am sure the insurance company is all over the legitimacy of the claim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman23 View Post
    I can see something like this happening in baseball. I cannot see the Yankees messing around with insurance fraud. I know it’s a lot of money but the Yankees can absorb his contract. We’re not talking about Oakland here. I do see how it looks though and why some would question it. However, as it’s been stated I am sure the insurance company is all over the legitimacy of the claim.
    You never know. Sometimes the rich get richer by not playing by the rules.

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    Re: Do you think the yankees are commuting insurance fraud with ellsbury?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yanks1026 View Post
    You never know. Sometimes the rich get richer by not playing by the rules.
    Perhaps. But again, I’m pretty certain the insurance company is all over the legitimacy. Someone would have to be getting some sort of huge kickback if they weren’t.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman23 View Post
    Perhaps. But again, I’m pretty certain the insurance company is all over the legitimacy. Someone would have to be getting some sort of huge kickback if they weren’t.
    Which means the conspiracy keeps getting bigger.

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    Re: Do you think the yankees are commuting insurance fraud with ellsbury?

    I have no idea how to read into this situation, just know that realistically they could use Ellsbury right now....he's a better option than Robinson. Its just so weird that he has had no surgery, no rehab games, nowhere near any type of readiness
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    Re: Do you think the yankees are commuting insurance fraud with ellsbury?

    Quote Originally Posted by BronxYanks45 View Post
    I have no idea how to read into this situation, just know that realistically they could use Ellsbury right now....he's a better option than Robinson. Its just so weird that he has had no surgery, no rehab games, nowhere near any type of readiness
    Agreed. Strange.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HelloNewman View Post
    Creeping Pavano-ism does not equal insurance fraud. That being said, the spooky music in the back of my mind for several weeks now is that Ellsbury might declare himself ready to play. The Roster Construction King can't even find a way to get Clint Frazier on the team, yikes what will happen if he has to give a spot to Ellsbury?
    You play him for one game, and watch him spontaneously combust and head back to the DL that same night, I suspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maynerd View Post
    It's been three full years since he managed an OPS+ north of 100. He'll be 37 when this albatross of a contract expires. I would contend that the biggest adverse affect to Ellsbury's NEXT contract would come from allowing him to step up to the plate. Who's going to sign a sub-par, late 30s, no power outfielder?
    You forgot, "Throws like Mary."

    (Damn. Wrong former Red Sox player.)

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    Re: Do you think the yankees are commuting insurance fraud with ellsbury?

    It is strange, hard to disagree with that. He never actually got hurt as far as I know, he just was hurt all of a sudden, and since then he has basically been in witness protection except when he visited the clubhouse in Tampa and we promptly got swept. I am all for it, though.

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