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    Gerrit Cole the one who got away

    Oh well. Should have been more aggressive to get him. Instead we are stuck with Sonny.

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    Oh well. Should have been more aggressive to get him. Instead we are stuck with Sonny.
    The Pirates wanted Frazier and Andujar. Cashman was 100% correct in rejecting that proposal. The Pirates were willing to accept an inferior offer from Houston. Not sure what Cashman could have done about that.
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    Re: Gerrit Cole the one who got away

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    The Pirates wanted Frazier and Andujar. Cashman was 100% correct in rejecting that proposal. The Pirates were willing to accept an inferior offer from Houston. Not sure what Cashman could have done about that.
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    Re: Gerrit Cole the one who got away

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    The Pirates wanted Frazier and Andujar. Cashman was 100% correct in rejecting that proposal. The Pirates were willing to accept an inferior offer from Houston. Not sure what Cashman could have done about that.
    Huntington wanted an MLB-ready thirdbaseman and more parts. Fact of the matter was that Cashman had placed Andujar (their only MLB-ready thirdbaseman) and Torres (potentially a MLB thirdbaseman) off limits.

    I think any talk re: Frazier needing to be in the deal is crap. Andujar was off the table. Had he been includable in a trade, then a package would’ve been put together that would’ve easily beat the Astros’ offer, or at the very least, forced Houston to give up more.

    Right or wrong, Cashman’s going to own this trade for the foreseeable future because 1) Cole’s success in Houston will be in our collective craw, and 2) now Andujar needs to become the ‘real deal’.
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    Re: Gerrit Cole the one who got away

    Iím okay with not overpaying for cole. I wasnt crazy about the sonny trade either.

    I dont think our coaching staff would have revived cole regardless. All in all, no regrets from my end. I think we did great in the offseason. Things just havent panned out yet.

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    Iím okay with not overpaying for cole. I wasnt crazy about the sonny trade either.

    I dont think our coaching staff would have revived cole regardless. All in all, no regrets from my end. I think we did great in the offseason. Things just havent panned out yet.
    The only stuff out there talking about overpaying is a circular discussion based on speculation, unless of course you have a sourced article stating otherwise.

    I donít know that Cole was revived so much as he was Ďrightedí. I agree with you that I kinda doubt any work Rotchschild did with Cole would wind up as good as Coleís been in Houston though.
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    He's only pitched 3 games... 3 great times, sure, but really now...
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    Re: Gerrit Cole the one who got away

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    He's only pitched 3 games... 3 great times, sure, but really now...
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    Re: Gerrit Cole the one who got away

    Letís wait until he pitches against a team other than the Rangers and Padres

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    Re: Gerrit Cole the one who got away

    I donít think Frazier and Andujar would have been an overpay for Cole but I realize Iím probably in the minority with that opinion.
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    Re: Gerrit Cole the one who got away

    Quote Originally Posted by NelsonMuntz View Post
    I don’t think Frazier and Andujar would have been an overpay for Cole but I realize I’m probably in the minority with that opinion.
    I certainly would have done one of the two. I mean, by the end of this season it may turn out to be a horrible pass. Cole could be a stud. So far he’s looking good. But I think both was a big ask. It was obvious that is was based on who they wound up trading him for anyway. That could be an indication.

    I think right now we’re all a bit worried and second guessing based on the performance of our pitching thus far. So obviously Cole would be huge right now for us. Needed in fact. But we’ll see. I’m gonna reevaluate after this season and I very well could have been on the wrong side of this. I’m certainly happy fantasy-wise though! I’ve been nabbing him every year for three years now. I’ve gotten one tremendous season. Hopefully this will be another.
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    Re: Gerrit Cole the one who got away

    Quote Originally Posted by NelsonMuntz View Post
    I donít think Frazier and Andujar would have been an overpay for Cole but I realize Iím probably in the minority with that opinion.
    I was on the fence with a cole trade. I thought there was plenty to be nervous about but plenty of upside too. Looking back it, putting coles appearances so far aside. I wish the Yankees had pulled the trigger and taken the gamble. Thatís easy to say now because of how heís pitched so far though
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    I certainly would have done one of the two. I mean, by the end of this season it may turn out to be a horrible pass. Cole could be a stud. So far heís looking good. But I think both was a big ask. It was obvious that is was based on who they wound up trading him for anyway. That could be an indication.

    I think right now weíre all a bit worried and second guessing based on the performance of our pitching thus far. So obviously Cole would be huge right now for us. Needed in fact. But weíll see. Iím gonna reevaluate after this season and I very well could have been on the wrong side of this. Iím certainly happy fantasy-wise though! Iíve been nabbing him every year for three years now. Iíve gotten one tremendous season. Hopefully this will be another.
    Huntington didnít ask for Frazier. Frazier was included in an offer, because Cashman had said it was Adams or Andujar. Ultimately if both Adams and Andujar were put on the table, then Cole would be a Yankee today.

    Last night @ Seattle: 7 IP, 5 H, 0 ER, 2 BB, 5 K.

    As I stated previously, Iím not sure Rothschild is a good enough pitching coach to have worked with Cole on his arsenal to achieve what heís done so far this young season though.
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    Re: Gerrit Cole the one who got away

    Quote Originally Posted by ojo View Post
    Huntington didn’t ask for Frazier. Frazier was included in an offer, because Cashman had said it was Adams or Andujar. Ultimately if both Adams and Andujar were put on the table, then Cole would be a Yankee today.

    Last night @ Seattle: 7 IP, 5 H, 0 ER, 2 BB, 5 K.

    As I stated previously, I’m not sure Rothschild is a good enough pitching coach to have worked with Cole on his arsenal to achieve what he’s done so far this young season though.
    are you saying the info that was release at the time was incorrect?

    If it was for what you say I would have pounced on it. Even if he’s not a stud, which he appears to be heading there this year, it’s still worth that price. We needed a pitcher and one was available.

    I may have to back the “Cashman done effd up” bomb on this one if you’re correct.

    I’m well aware of his stats. I have him in my roto league. He’s been one of my top guys so far. Had him last year as well and well, it was a crap shoot. It was feast or famine with him. I wound up playing matchups with a guy I bought to toss out there for every start.
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    Re: Gerrit Cole the one who got away

    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman23 View Post
    are you saying the info that was release at the time was incorrect?

    If it was for what you say I would have pounced on it. Even if heís not a stud, which he appears to be heading there this year, itís still worth that price. We needed a pitcher and one was available.

    I may have to back the ďCashman done effd upĒ bomb on this one if youíre correct.

    Iím well aware of his stats. I have him in my roto league. Heís been one of my top guys so far. Had him last year as well and well, it was a crap shoot. It was feast or famine with him. I wound up playing matchups.
    There was tons of speculation, but the only things I could find that are reportable as fact (outside the trade itself) was that Cashman made Frazier available, Huntingtonís acknowledgement he was the best player made available for Cole, and that it couldnít be Anduar and Adams (only one, but not both).

    Frankly, I think Cashman tried his best to make Pittsburgh take Frazier and it just didnít work out.
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    Well, dwelling on this does no good. I wish we had him but we don't. Gotta find someone, at least until Kaprellian comes back the second half and who knows what he's going to do or be. Is Sheffield ready yet?
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    Re: Gerrit Cole the one who got away

    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman23 View Post
    Well, dwelling on this does no good. I wish we had him but we don't.
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    Gotta find someone, at least until Kaprellian comes back the second half and who knows what he's going to do or be. Is Sheffield ready yet?
    Kaprielian is an Oakland A. I would think Sheffield would be later this year, if not 2019.
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    Sht, I forgot about that How embarrassing.
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    Re: Gerrit Cole the one who got away

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    Sht, I forgot about that How embarrassing.
    For a second I thought you knew something we didnít.

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    Re: Gerrit Cole the one who got away

    Letís assume for a second that Cashman actually traded for Cole - still no guarantee heíd be pitching this well in pinstripes. I believe it has more to do with the coaching and direction of the Houston organization.

    I donít believe that itís a coincidence that Morton, Verlander and Cole are all putting up video game numbers. I mean, Verlander is 35 and going through a career rebirth in Houston. They obviously have intel the Yankees donít. $20 says Sonny Gray would be killing it in Houston right now.
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    Re: Gerrit Cole the one who got away

    Quote Originally Posted by Zimmer's Helmet View Post
    Letís assume for a second that Cashman actually traded for Cole - still no guarantee heíd be pitching this well in pinstripes. I believe it has more to do with the coaching and direction of the Houston organization.

    I donít believe that itís a coincidence that Morton, Verlander and Cole are all putting up video game numbers. I mean, Verlander is 35 and going through a career rebirth in Houston. They obviously have intel the Yankees donít. $20 says Sonny Gray would be killing it in Houston right now.
    Meh, there were numerous articles this offseason about how Cole needs to throw fewer fastballs and thatís exactly what he is doing. If the Yankees couldnít figure that out, then just fire the entire analytics department along with Rothschild.
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    The potential value of pine tar was raised in a recent social media conversation about the early-season performance of Gerrit Cole. After it was suggested in a thread of tweets that the spin rate on Cole's four-seam fastball has jumped significantly, and there was speculation about the use of pine tar, the Indians' Trevor Bauer jumped into the conversation April 11 via Twitter


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    The rules should be enforced as theyíre written. Pine tar is more of a competitive advantage in a given game than steroids are.



    Cole cheating? He's using pinetar?

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    Can a Moderator change the Thread name to:

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