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    2018 CC Sabathia Performance Thread

    Pitched poorly. Might be injured. Give me German, please no Cessa.
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    Re: 2018 CC Sabathia Performance Thread

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    CC Sabathia left tonight's game with right hip soreness. He will undergo an MRI.

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    Re: 2018 CC Sabathia Performance Thread

    Right hip soreness, MRI on deck.
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    Re: 2018 CC Sabathia Performance Thread

    He got his 238nd win, which gives him sole possession of 60th. Two players including David Wells have 239. He needs 12 wins for 250, which 47 players have done, and Colon could do that before Sabathia.

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    Just keep inducing soft contact and let the offense take care of the rest. Sabathia 2.0 is more than okay.

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    Re: 2018 CC Sabathia Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Rollo_T View Post
    Just keep inducing soft contact and let the offense take care of the rest. Sabathia 2.0 is more than okay.
    Can't figure out why the defense has sucked behind him the last few times out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rollo_T View Post
    Just keep inducing soft contact and let the offense take care of the rest. Sabathia 2.0 is more than okay.
    With how he has pitched 2016-2018, makes me wonder what really was behind the lean years in his contract. Maybe it wasnt knees or natural age related decline or being underweight or overweight. Maybe it was all about the alcoholism. Wonder what his numbers could have been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChinMusic View Post
    With how he has pitched 2016-2018, makes me wonder what really was behind the lean years in his contract. Maybe it wasnt knees or natural age related decline or being underweight or overweight. Maybe it was all about the alcoholism. Wonder what his numbers could have been.
    He basically had to reinvent himself as a pitcher. Loss of velocity through natural aging is something that every starter goes through if they play long enough. A successful transition is not something that happens overnight, if at all.

    He's got a kitchen sink repertoire consisting of cutters, 2-seamers, slider, and sometimes curve. It's actually been fun watching him.

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    It's kind of his own fault because he was awful for a few years, but he really doesn't get enough credit for how good he has been since the start of 2016. In an era where everyone (rightly) keys on exit velocity, he consistently allows the lowest average exit velocity of anyone, it's really impressive. He's going to go five innings most of the time, but it's usually going to be a very solid five innings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon abbey View Post
    It's kind of his own fault because he was awful for a few years, but he really doesn't get enough credit for how good he has been since the start of 2016. In an era where everyone (rightly) keys on exit velocity, he consistently allows the lowest average exit velocity of anyone, it's really impressive. He's going to go five innings most of the time, but it's usually going to be a very solid five innings.
    This is a good point. In nearly all of his starts, it seems like we have a legit chance. He doesn't really have 3 IP, 8 ER games. He might give up some runs, but he won't get rocked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon abbey View Post
    It's kind of his own fault because he was awful for a few years, but he really doesn't get enough credit for how good he has been since the start of 2016. In an era where everyone (rightly) keys on exit velocity, he consistently allows the lowest average exit velocity of anyone, it's really impressive. He's going to go five innings most of the time, but it's usually going to be a very solid five innings.
    I wonder if they’ll continue to pull him early in games with pitch counts under 90. How long can they get away with that if they aren’t getting consistent innings out of Monty and gray

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon abbey View Post
    It's kind of his own fault because he was awful for a few years, but he really doesn't get enough credit for how good he has been since the start of 2016. In an era where everyone (rightly) keys on exit velocity, he consistently allows the lowest average exit velocity of anyone, it's really impressive. He's going to go five innings most of the time, but it's usually going to be a very solid five innings.
    Started in August/September in 2015 when he got fitted with the knee brace. CC is like Pettitte in his later years, finds a way to weather through the storm and keep the team in the game.
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    Re: 2018 CC Sabathia Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by jon abbey View Post
    It's kind of his own fault because he was awful for a few years, but he really doesn't get enough credit for how good he has been since the start of 2016. In an era where everyone (rightly) keys on exit velocity, he consistently allows the lowest average exit velocity of anyone, it's really impressive. He's going to go five innings most of the time, but it's usually going to be a very solid five innings.

    Isn't that just a product of him not throwing hard?

    What is his avg. pitch velocity?

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    Re: 2018 CC Sabathia Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Rollo_T View Post
    He basically had to reinvent himself as a pitcher. Loss of velocity through natural aging is something that every starter goes through if they play long enough. A successful transition is not something that happens overnight, if at all.

    He's got a kitchen sink repertoire consisting of cutters, 2-seamers, slider, and sometimes curve. It's actually been fun watching him.
    He also has something that looks like a change-up - seems slower than all his other offering. Could be the curve,, but it breaks differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 24Rickey View Post
    Isn't that just a product of him not throwing hard?
    If it was, a lot more guys would try that.

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    Re: 2018 CC Sabathia Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 24Rickey View Post
    Isn't that just a product of him not throwing hard?
    I think that's been disproven or made pretty uncertain in at least one study (that higher pitch speeds result in higher exit velocities):

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-out/72624244/

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    Re: 2018 CC Sabathia Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Jace View Post
    I think that's been disproven or made pretty uncertain in at least one study (that higher pitch speeds result in higher exit velocities):

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-out/72624244/
    Good stuff guys!

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    Re: 2018 CC Sabathia Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Rollo_T View Post
    He basically had to reinvent himself as a pitcher. Loss of velocity through natural aging is something that every starter goes through if they play long enough. A successful transition is not something that happens overnight, if at all.

    He's got a kitchen sink repertoire consisting of cutters, 2-seamers, slider, and sometimes curve. It's actually been fun watching him.

    Maybe its coincidence, but the career turnaround coincided exactly with the revelation about and treatment of alcoholism.

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    TBH, it's probably a combination of all those things before he finally figured it out and found a way to manage his physical issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankees1962 View Post
    TBH, it's probably a combination of all those things before he finally figured it out and found a way to manage his physical issues.
    The rehab happened right at the end of the season, i.e. before the long off-season, so while I agree it may have been the catalyst it probably was only one aspect of a broader 6-month "reset" in CC's life and career.
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    Not sure why anyone questioned re-signing the big man, 1.71 ERA so far.

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    Tonight's game was fun to watch. Sabathia was a big reason. Those cutter and changeup sequences were clinical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon abbey View Post
    Not sure why anyone questioned re-signing the big man, 1.71 ERA so far.
    I was against it since I don't think he will get many innings and hes always a big injury threat.

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    Re: 2018 CC Sabathia Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Yanks12009 View Post
    I was against it since I don't think he will get many innings and hes always a big injury threat.
    Exactly. Depth needed to be added somewhere. It's the one slot where you could have tried to add that ace. The reality of that doesn't change.

    CC was never a bad signing, it was just a lazy one.
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    More positive comments after a very good pitching performance.
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