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    Re: 2018 Brian Cashman Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Portbb View Post
    Sentimentality for sure. Also if they were gone it would be the first time going on 24 seasons that the Yankees would have no one on their team with a Yankees WS ring.
    The problem there is not winning World Series, not the failure to pay aging vets. The '96 and '77 teams didn't have any (I assume, I didn't check) and did pretty well.
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    Re: 2018 Brian Cashman Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by YanksBeatBraves1996 View Post
    IMHO, Cashman has an affinity for being too sentimental towards veteran players whose glory years are fading in the rear view mirror such as re-signing Gardy and CC. That is $7M and $10M wasted respectfully for 2019. This budding team no longer needs veteran leadership.

    Last season (2018), how many times have Gardy failed at the plate and CC's wonky knees cost the team?!
    I'm going to disagree with this statement. Lots of guys here that don't have much experience dealing with pressure and adversity in such a gigantic market, both locally and nationally. Guys like Gardner & CC have value as leaders as well as players. I'm sure Cashman knew he could get younger, more talented players to fill these two roles - yet he chose to give up some production in exchange for the leadership these two can provide..
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    For a pitcher who fades in the stretch and doesnít get it done in the playoffs? That would have been a huge mistake. Sanchez is potentially a Hall of Fame catcher and Sevy just might be the better pitcher when all is said and done. Not to mention the fact that when Sale was available, the Yankees werenít in a position to take advantage of what he brought. Sevvy and Sanchez were/are key pieces of the rebuild.
    When you talk about fading in the stretch and doesn't get it done in the playoffs are you referring to Sale or Severibo? You're right either way. Just want you to clarify. You're taking a big leap calling Sanchez a hall of fame catcher. He's a guess hitter with a poor glove and lazy tendencies.

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    Re: 2018 Brian Cashman Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by theDurk View Post
    The problem there is not winning World Series, not the failure to pay aging vets. The '96 and '77 teams didn't have any (I assume, I didn't check) and did pretty well.

    '77 - Reggie.

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    '77 - Reggie.
    Yankees WS rings. Reggie wasnít on 64 Yanks.
    CC and Brett, if unsigned this season, there would be zero Yankees for the first time in the last 24 seasons on the roster without Yankee WS ring.
    Thatís where IMO sentimentality comes in.

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    Re: 2018 Brian Cashman Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Portbb View Post
    Yankees WS rings. Reggie wasnít on 64 Yanks.
    CC and Brett, if unsigned this season, there would be zero Yankees for the first time in the last 24 seasons on the roster without Yankee WS ring.
    Thatís where IMO sentimentality comes in.

    They could have kept Robertson. He has a Yankees WS ring.

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    Re: 2018 Brian Cashman Performance Thread

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    They could have kept Robertson. He has a Yankees WS ring.
    So does Jake Gibbs. That doesn't mean he'd be helpful.

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    Re: 2018 Brian Cashman Performance Thread

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    So does Jake Gibbs. That doesn't mean he'd be helpful.
    Jake never played in the WS. Was supposed to play in 64 but was injured at the end of the season. Yankees lost that series so no ring for Jake even had he played in it.

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    Re: 2018 Brian Cashman Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by YanksBeatBraves1996 View Post
    IMHO, Cashman has an affinity for being too sentimental towards veteran players whose glory years are fading in the rear view mirror such as re-signing Gardy and CC. That is $7M and $10M wasted respectfully for 2019. This budding team no longer needs veteran leadership.

    Last season (2018), how many times have Gardy failed at the plate and CC's wonky knees cost the team?!
    Nope.
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    Re: 2018 Brian Cashman Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by mbn007 View Post
    '77 - Reggie.
    Previous YANKEE WS champion

    EDIT: I see others beat me to it.
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    Re: 2018 Brian Cashman Performance Thread

    I'm going to give some credit to Brian Cashman for signing Severino and now Hicks to extensions. This man is doing a nice job of taking care of all loose ends and following a master plan. I'm hoping he already has a gentleman's handshake with Didi & his extension. Dellin might walk, though, thanks to Randy Levine. Cashman seems to be stockpiling in the bullpen anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sjb23 View Post
    I'm going to give some credit to Brian Cashman for signing Severino and now Hicks to extensions. This man is doing a nice job of taking care of all loose ends and following a master plan. I'm hoping he already has a gentleman's handshake with Didi & his extension. Dellin might walk, though, thanks to Randy Levine. Cashman seems to be stockpiling in the bullpen anyway.
    Yea the Hicks extension deserves applause and ditto Severino. With Hicks it was a risk to go to FA because he's the only CF available worth a damn and the Yankees don't have a good plan B there for next year at least. I think with Didi and Dellin you can wait because you probably don't save anything by signing them now. Didi, in particular, is probably going to bet on a healthy recovery and strong second half to propel him back to pre-injury contract offers rather than take a dramatic discount now. The Yankees can also wait because they've got Gleyber and there are other FA SS available should Didi's market escalate quickly. Even if Dellin has a monster year I think you could block him with a qualifying offer and put him in a Kimbrel situation.

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    Re: 2018 Brian Cashman Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by sjb23 View Post
    I'm going to give some credit to Brian Cashman for signing Severino and now Hicks to extensions. This man is doing a nice job of taking care of all loose ends and following a master plan. I'm hoping he already has a gentleman's handshake with Didi & his extension. Dellin might walk, though, thanks to Randy Levine. Cashman seems to be stockpiling in the bullpen anyway.
    The Hicks deal would have been ridiculously cheap just a couple years ago before the free-agent market collapsed for players.

    It still is a very team-friendly deal by today's standard.

    Yes indeed, "credit to Brian Cashman."

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    Re: 2018 Brian Cashman Performance Thread

    After thinking about it, Cashman probably had to extend the term to keep the AAV down. So if need be, they can release Hicks @ age 35 and not have to swallow a huge hunk of $$.

    Another example of Cashman covering all the bases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sjb23 View Post
    After thinking about it, Cashman probably had to extend the term to keep the AAV down. So if need be, they can release Hicks @ age 35 and not have to swallow a huge hunk of $$.

    Another example of Cashman covering all the bases.
    Well, not third base.

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    Re: 2018 Brian Cashman Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    Well, not third base.
    lol hardy har har
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    Re: 2018 Brian Cashman Performance Thread

    If the dodgers can sign harper , the yankees should be able to also. Not doing so, is their prerogative, but it's still being cheap. Maybe you can flip gardner for a bag of balls, about what he's worth .

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    Re: 2018 Brian Cashman Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by moscutter View Post
    If the dodgers can sign harper , the yankees should be able to also. Not doing so, is their prerogative, but it's still being cheap. Maybe you can flip gardner for a bag of balls, about what he's worth .
    Gardner has a full NTC due to his 10/5 rights - no way he agrees to a trade. He wants to play for the Yankees his entire career.

    And, he is worth a heck of a lot more than a bag of balls - he needs to be used correctly, with enough rest to keep him around 350-400 plate appearances, with was the plan last season that fell apart with all the injuries. Hopefully the OF stays healthier this season and we see Gardner benefit from the decreased workload.
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    Quote Originally Posted by longtimeyankeefan View Post
    Gardner has a full NTC due to his 10/5 rights - no way he agrees to a trade. He wants to play for the Yankees his entire career.

    And, he is worth a heck of a lot more than a bag of balls - he needs to be used correctly, with enough rest to keep him around 350-400 plate appearances, with was the plan last season that fell apart with all the injuries. Hopefully the OF stays healthier this season and we see Gardner benefit from the decreased workload.

    Agree (no more Gardy posts for me). Don't understand it. I am very happy for Gardy and hope he retires as a Yankee but we will see (another team may want him). It's great to see a guy come up through our system (we didn't draft him) and play 18 years here. Other players see this and like it. Gardy had an option 12.5M and Brian gave him the 2M buyout and a 7.5M 1 year contract (9.5M saving 3M), WAR 2.5. Both CC and Gardy's contracts are good contracts. (7.5M and 8M 15.5M). IMO DJL is 12M (and Britton) is worst but time will tell. More important I don't have to worry about Ells and Frazier.

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    Re: 2018 Brian Cashman Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by bucky View Post
    Agree (no more Gardy posts for me). Don't understand it. I am very happy for Gardy and hope he retires as a Yankee but we will see (another team may want him). It's great to see a guy come up through our system (we didn't draft him) and play 18 years here. Other players see this and like it. Gardy had an option 12.5M and Brian gave him the 2M buyout and a 7.5M 1 year contract (9.5M saving 3M), WAR 2.5. Both CC and Gardy's contracts are good contracts. (7.5M and 8M 15.5M). IMO DJL is 12M (and Britton) is worst but time will tell. More important I don't have to worry about Ells and Frazier.
    But we did draft him ... didn't we?

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    Re: 2018 Brian Cashman Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by -tz View Post
    But we did draft him ... didn't we?
    Yes we did. One of only 6 position players drafted by the Yankees to play in the All Star Game.

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    Re: 2018 Brian Cashman Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by -tz View Post
    But we did draft him ... didn't we?
    My bad. I should have checked. This is even more reason for signing him this year. Drafted, came up through our farm system 18 years, hopefully retire as a Yankee. (I thought it was Cleveland and we got him early in a trade. 2 years ago I did do comps his first MLB year to Clint but didn't look earlier. I always like him who played hard and maybe better than was natural. It is good to have him in the dugout and backup.

    Thanks for the correction, Yankee Mike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjb23 View Post
    I'm going to disagree with this statement. Lots of guys here that don't have much experience dealing with pressure and adversity in such a gigantic market, both locally and nationally. Guys like Gardner & CC have value as leaders as well as players. I'm sure Cashman knew he could get younger, more talented players to fill these two roles - yet he chose to give up some production in exchange for the leadership these two can provide..

    I'll meet you have way. While I wouldn't have signed CC I can live with him coming back. Gardner is a poster child for Yankees playoff failure. I think he's hitting .200 in 14 series. Gardner being gone would have been addition by subtraction....
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    Re: 2018 Brian Cashman Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by bucky View Post
    Agree (no more Gardy posts for me). Don't understand it. I am very happy for Gardy and hope he retires as a Yankee but we will see (another team may want him). It's great to see a guy come up through our system (we didn't draft him) and play 18 years here. Other players see this and like it. Gardy had an option 12.5M and Brian gave him the 2M buyout and a 7.5M 1 year contract (9.5M saving 3M), WAR 2.5. Both CC and Gardy's contracts are good contracts. (7.5M and 8M 15.5M). IMO DJL is 12M (and Britton) is worst but time will tell. More important I don't have to worry about Ells and Frazier.
    After his senior year in college, the New York Yankees selected Gardner in the 3rd round, with the 109th overall selection, of the 2005 Major League Baseball draft
    (from Wikipedia)

    Counting 2005, Gardner this year enters on his fifteenth year in the Yankee system.

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    (from Wikipedia)

    Counting 2005, Gardner this year enters on his fifteenth year in the Yankee system.
    It just seems like 18.

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