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    Quote Originally Posted by b_joseph View Post
    Sure. But that thinking usually depends on whether you think the QB is good or not. I guess you do.

    Unless we are going to transform into a league best defense. Like Chicago. But then, what Mitch loses with the arm, he gains with his running.
    If the giants put a super bowl roster around Eli he will be fine. He has shown he can still play when the players around him do their job. It was just 2 years ago he played great in a playoff game in which he got no help. But they do need to find their future guy. And soon

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    https://deadspin.com/the-giants-are-...-on-1831448811

    The Giants Are Maybe Ready To Maybe Maybe Maybe Move On From Eli Manning

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    Quote Originally Posted by RhodyYanksFan View Post
    why would they move on, there's essentially no one else to throw the ball. Someone told me that was important in the NFL

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    Re: 2018 New York Giants Thread

    Any interest in Kyler Murray if he enters the draft?

    Or Haskins?



    I want to know what the Giants future QB plan is. They are very close to being in QB hell. How are they getting Tua, Fromm, Herbert next year if they improve? They're will be way too much competition for a trade up. Have to factor in too, teams that need a QB won't be trading down.

    I would send Lauletta out there for 16 games but I doubt they do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLURPEE View Post
    Any interest in Kyler Murray if he enters the draft?

    Or Haskins?



    I want to know what the Giants future QB plan is. They are very close to being in QB hell. How are they getting Tua, Fromm, Herbert next year if they improve? They're will be way too much competition for a trade up. Have to factor in too, teams that need a QB won't be trading down.

    I would send Lauletta out there for 16 games but I doubt they do it.
    I am not convinced that Murray is a guy you draft #6, but it will be interesting to see if they go after Haskins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YFIB View Post
    I am not convinced that Murray is a guy you draft #6, but it will be interesting to see if they go after Haskins.
    I kind of doubt Murray or Haskins makes it to 6, my guess is if the G-man want either one as franchise QB they will need to trade up.


    Murray having the option to go back to BB kind of scares me if I'm drafting him.

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    Re: 2018 New York Giants Thread

    Changed my mind.

    If Murray measures at 5'10"/11" at the combine, I would take him. That's the same height as Russel Wilson. By Murray's second season, he's likely the same weight (215) as RW too.

    Giants won't be bad enough of to finish bottom three for the 2020 QBs. Besides, the more and more I read, other than Tua (and he has his own question marks) Fromm and Herbert don't sound all that much better than Haskins and Murray. Talent wise, Murray is just as good as Mayfield. Ahead of Herbert/Fromm. Haskins is on the same level as Fromm. I think Haskins is a better talent than Herbert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLURPEE View Post
    Changed my mind.

    If Murray measures at 5'10"/11" at the combine, I would take him. That's the same height as Russel Wilson. By Murray's second season, he's likely the same weight (215) as RW too.

    Giants won't be bad enough of to finish bottom three for the 2020 QBs. Besides, the more and more I read, other than Tua (and he has his own question marks) Fromm and Herbert don't sound all that much better than Haskins and Murray. Talent wise, Murray is just as good as Mayfield. Ahead of Herbert/Fromm. Haskins is on the same level as Fromm. I think Haskins is a better talent than Herbert.
    Is Drew Lock in this year's draft also?

    If so, any interest in him?

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    Re: 2018 New York Giants Thread

    so is there really no team picking a quarterback before the Giants at 6?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler Durden View Post
    Is Drew Lock in this year's draft also?

    If so, any interest in him?
    He is, and he ought to be a consideration. There are four Quarterbacks who COULD go in the first round:
    Daniel Jones - Duke
    Dwayne Haskins - Ohio State
    Drew Lock - Missouri
    Kyler Murray - Oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko
    so is there really no team picking a quarterback before the Giants at 6?
    Not right now. But, if one of the teams below the Giants falls in love with one of these four QBs, it wouldn't surprise me to see someone trade up to get ahead of them. The Giants, at #6, and the Jaguars, at #7, might BOTH look at QBs. So, someone like the Broncos, at #10, might try to cut into line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler Durden View Post
    Is Drew Lock in this year's draft also?

    If so, any interest in him?
    I hear a lot of comparisons to Jay Cutler. Personality/Attitude. Arm but not accurate.

    Hard pass.

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    Re: 2018 New York Giants Thread

    ESPN overview on what it's taken to move up in the draft the last few years, focusing on the Giants and Haskins.

    Will be interesting if they take this route given last year's decision to forgo picking their next QB

    There is a strong belief that the Giants are going to address the quarterback position early in this year's draft. If they -- or any other team -- falls in love with Haskins throughout this process, they will likely have to trade up to land him. And there will be teams willing to deal. None of the teams in the top five are believed to be in the quarterback market.

    But it’s going to be costly for the QB-hungry teams (Giants, Jacksonville Jaguars, Denver Broncos and Washington Redskins) to get their top target, assuming he’s coveted by more than one franchise. History says this as well.
    http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-gi...eep-for-giants

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    Quote Originally Posted by YFIB View Post
    ESPN overview on what it's taken to move up in the draft the last few years, focusing on the Giants and Haskins.
    If someone swooped in to move ahead of the Giants to grab Haskins, would Drew Lock be that big of a step back? Put another way, would it be worthwhile for the Giants to give up some valuable resources to move up two or three slots in the draft, just to assure Haskins, instead of Lock or Jones?

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    Re: 2018 New York Giants Thread

    Haskins was the best thrower at the combine. By a good margin. imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLURPEE View Post
    Haskins was the best thrower at the combine. By a good margin. imo
    Notable that Murray didn't throw

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    Re: 2018 New York Giants Thread

    There is talk the Cards are taking Murray.

    Miami or Skins could be in play for Rosen. imo
    Both these teams could also simply tank next year for Tua/Fromm/Herbert. Both will be bad enough.

    I think Foles lands in Jacksonville.


    That leaves Denver as the biggest competition for Haskins, if you're the Giants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YFIB View Post
    Notable that Murray didn't throw

    Yes. Both Haskins and Murray throw the ball well. Scouts know this and both will be the first two QBs taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLURPEE View Post
    There is talk the Cards are taking Murray.

    Miami or Skins could be in play for Rosen. imo
    Both these teams could also simply tank next year for Tua/Fromm/Herbert. Both will be bad enough.

    I think Foles lands in Jacksonville.


    That leaves Denver as the biggest competition for Haskins, if you're the Giants.
    What about someone trading up? The Jets seem willing to trade their pick .

    I wonder how Gettleman is going to play this. If Murray does go to AZ, it's quite a risk to assume Haskins will be there at 6

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    Re: 2018 New York Giants Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by YFIB View Post
    What about someone trading up? The Jets seem willing to trade their pick .

    I wonder how Gettleman is going to play this. If Murray does go to AZ, it's quite a risk to assume Haskins will be there at 6
    Yeah, Giants might have to trade up for Haskins.

    But I only see Denver and possibly Miami or Washington in on Haskins. What other teams really need a QB?


    This why I hate meaningless wins. They lose to the Bears, they're picking 3rd or 4th.

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    Re: 2018 New York Giants Thread

    Also, with Murray going to Arizona, everyone else slides.

    Are the Jets really going to pass on Josh Allen?

    My mock:

    Arizona: Murray
    San Francisco: Bosa
    NY Jets: Allen
    Oakland: Q.Williams
    Tampa: G. Williams
    NY Giants: Haskins

    For a trade up to happen, one of those teams after Arizona, would have to pass on an elite defender. All of them have bad defenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLURPEE View Post
    Yeah, Giants might have to trade up for Haskins.

    But I only see Denver and possibly Miami or Washington in on Haskins. What other teams really need a QB?


    This why I hate meaningless wins. They lose to the Bears, they're picking 3rd or 4th.
    I didn't realize how close Foles was to signing with Jacksonville when I wrote that. Denver still a risk, but the Giants might be able to pull it off without moving. If AZ passes on Murray, it's even more likely the Giants can draft a QB without moving.

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    They need a d ilneman so bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLURPEE View Post
    Haskins was the best thrower at the combine. By a good margin. imo
    Where would Haskins' potential rank among the past 3 year highest QB draft picks (pre-selection):

    Baker Mayfield
    Sam Darnold
    Josh Allen
    Josh Rosen
    Mitchell Trubisky
    Patrick Mahomes
    Deshaun Watson
    Jared Goff
    Carson Wentz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankeefan7545 View Post
    They need a d ilneman so bad
    Yes -- and this is the draft for it. As good as Barkley is, I wonder if the decision not to get a QB last year, when they were relatively abundant, is going to haunt them now.

    Quote Originally Posted by SLURPEE View Post
    Also, with Murray going to Arizona, everyone else slides.

    Are the Jets really going to pass on Josh Allen?

    My mock:

    Arizona: Murray
    San Francisco: Bosa
    NY Jets: Allen
    Oakland: Q.Williams
    Tampa: G. Williams
    NY Giants: Haskins

    For a trade up to happen, one of those teams after Arizona, would have to pass on an elite defender. All of them have bad defenses.
    The other thing to think about is that, if Arizona selects Murray, Rosen is going to be on the market, and the Giants could pursue him or he could go to another QB needy team. I wonder what the cost would be and if the Giants would be interested.

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    Re: 2018 New York Giants Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by YFIB View Post
    The other thing to think about is that, if Arizona selects Murray, Rosen is going to be on the market, and the Giants could pursue him or he could go to another QB needy team. I wonder what the cost would be and if the Giants would be interested.
    Rosen is a whiny brat with a persecution complex. I've been hearing about how he has a hard time commanding respect in the locker room and he's not leadership material. You don't want that guy leading your team and sure don't want a guy like that getting stepped on by diva personalities like OBJ

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