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    Waiting for Gleyber: The Torres Watch

    Assuming he stays healthy, here's a place to discuss Gleyber Torres' spring performance, potential SWB performance, and impending Major League arrival in 2018.

    We've already talked about it a bunch this offseason, with the Yankees needing to avoid Gleyber accruing 172 service days in the 2018 season in order to have an extra year of control before he becomes a free agent.

    Starting in 2018 the season will officially have 187 days (I think, though I have seen a 186 number as well), meaning if the Yankees keep Gleyber in SWB for the first 16 days of the year (days, NOT games) he will only be able to accrue 171 service days and be under team control through the 2024 season.

    So if Gleyber is on the Yankees roster on 3/29, he's a free agent after 2023.

    If they wait to add him until 4/14, he's a free agent after 2024.

    The more important/exciting part in tracking his arrival is he appears to be really damn good and should impact the team no matter when he gets to the Bronx.

    Cashman chimed in on the subject matter yesterday:

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    Brian Cashman told @BruceBeck4NY that service time will not be in play when they consider Gleyber Torres for the Opening Day roster, but it is "more likely" Torres will need extra time in the Minors.
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    Re: Waiting for Gleyber: The Torres Watch

    Does he have to spend the FIRST 16 days in the mL or can they send him down at any point for 16 days to get the extra year?
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    Re: Waiting for Gleyber: The Torres Watch

    Quote Originally Posted by ClownPickle View Post
    Does he have to spend the FIRST 16 days in the mL or can they send him down at any point for 16 days to get the extra year?
    He has to spend 16 days in the minors at some point this season
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    Re: Waiting for Gleyber: The Torres Watch

    He can be sent down at any point and have the accrual paused. It's days on the 25 man roster. He has to NOT be on it for a total of 16 days this year.
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    Re: Waiting for Gleyber: The Torres Watch

    The Yanks already struck gold with Judge, Sanchez and Severino - it would be pretty insane if Gleyber also lives up to/exceeds expectations.

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    Re: Waiting for Gleyber: The Torres Watch

    Wade getting a legitimate opportunity to start at 2B this season would be ideal.

    He becomes a legitimate trade chip if he plays well, or you could get crazy and move Didi.
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    Re: Waiting for Gleyber: The Torres Watch

    Quote Originally Posted by THEBOSS84 View Post
    The Yanks already struck gold with Judge, Sanchez and Severino - it would be pretty insane if Gleyber also lives up to/exceeds expectations.
    I think he'll be an upgrade on Castro defensively right away even with limited experience at 2B and hopefully the bat is solid to start and just needs a little time. His eye and ability to take a walk should help.

    It would be even more amazing if both Torres and Andujar worked out. That's like the future scenarios people plan for on here.

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    Re: Waiting for Gleyber: The Torres Watch

    Quote Originally Posted by THEBOSS84 View Post
    The Yanks already struck gold with Judge, Sanchez and Severino - it would be pretty insane if Gleyber also lives up to/exceeds expectations.


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    Re: Waiting for Gleyber: The Torres Watch

    Quote Originally Posted by YankeePride1967 View Post
    He has to spend 16 days in the minors at some point this season
    Between coming back from surgery, not playing any ball in about a year and picking up the extra year of control, IMO this should be done at the very start of the season. Let Torres get back into the swing of things (no pun intended) in extended spring training in Florida due to injury, and when he comes up he'll feel a bit more comfortable and can immediately focus on adjusting to the big leagues.
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    Re: Waiting for Gleyber: The Torres Watch

    Quote Originally Posted by sjb23 View Post
    Between coming back from surgery, not playing any ball in about a year and picking up the extra year of control, IMO this should be done at the very start of the season. Let Torres get back into the swing of things (no pun intended) in extended spring training in Florida due to injury, and when he comes up he'll feel a bit more comfortable and can immediately focus on adjusting to the big leagues.
    I agree. Plus I like CP posted where Wade gets more experience. April 14th is not that long.

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    Re: Waiting for Gleyber: The Torres Watch

    Quote Originally Posted by sjb23 View Post
    Between coming back from surgery, not playing any ball in about a year and picking up the extra year of control, IMO this should be done at the very start of the season. Let Torres get back into the swing of things (no pun intended) in extended spring training in Florida due to injury, and when he comes up he'll feel a bit more comfortable and can immediately focus on adjusting to the big leagues.
    Agreed. And even a bit longer if needed.
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    Re: Waiting for Gleyber: The Torres Watch

    Mods please rename this thread to 'Baewatch.'
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    Re: Waiting for Gleyber: The Torres Watch

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    Re: Waiting for Gleyber: The Torres Watch

    Quote Originally Posted by ClownPickle View Post
    Does he have to spend the FIRST 16 days in the mL or can they send him down at any point for 16 days to get the extra year?
    It's the 1st 16 days OR a 20+ day stint in minor at any point.

    If he's down for less than 20 days MLB service spanning rules treat him as not being optioned to MiLB for purposes of service time.
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    Re: Waiting for Gleyber: The Torres Watch

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    It's the 1st 16 days OR a 20+ day stint in minor at any point.

    If he's down for less than 20 days MLB service spanning rules treat him as not being optioned to MLB for purposes of service time.
    Interesting. I had no idea this was the case.
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    Re: Waiting for Gleyber: The Torres Watch

    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch Catch View Post
    Interesting. I had no idea this was the case.
    I'm pretty sure that's how it works. I haven't double checked the rules in a while.
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    Re: Waiting for Gleyber: The Torres Watch

    I'd say he spends the first two months of the season between extended spring training and the minors

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    Re: Waiting for Gleyber: The Torres Watch

    Quote Originally Posted by Carpi View Post
    I'd say he spends the first two months of the season between extended spring training and the minors
    That's like 100PA for Ronald Torreyes, no thanks.
    Last edited by teknetic; 01-26-18 at 08:36 PM.

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    Re: Waiting for Gleyber: The Torres Watch

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    It's the 1st 16 days OR a 20+ day stint in minor at any point.

    If he's down for less than 20 days MLB service spanning rules treat him as not being optioned to MiLB for purposes of service time.
    Not sure that's right. You seem to be confusing 20+ days down to burn an option year with service time. A year of service time is based on 172+ days on the active roster out of the 187 days this season. Any 16 days not on the active roster should do.

    http://m.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/service-time

    http://m.mlb.com/glossary/transactio...league-options

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    They aren't going with Torreyes that long. No way. Ugh.

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    Re: Waiting for Gleyber: The Torres Watch

    Quote Originally Posted by Carpi View Post
    I'd say he spends the first two months of the season between extended spring training and the minors
    I was hoping more like the month of April. IMO he needs to get back into the grind in Scranton and gain some confidence before he has to deal with the pressure of becoming a ML ballplayer.
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    Re: Waiting for Gleyber: The Torres Watch

    Quote Originally Posted by Gusto View Post
    Not sure that's right. You seem to be confusing 20+ days down to burn an option year with service time. A year of service time is based on 172+ days on the active roster out of the 187 days this season. Any 16 days not on the active roster should do.

    http://m.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/service-time

    http://m.mlb.com/glossary/transactio...league-options
    Thanks for the links. It does look like I was confusing rules.
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    Re: Waiting for Gleyber: The Torres Watch

    Quote Originally Posted by sjb23 View Post
    I was hoping more like the month of April. IMO he needs to get back into the grind in Scranton and gain some confidence before he has to deal with the pressure of becoming a ML ballplayer.
    If he has the same spring training that he had last season, he will prove that he doesn't need to gain any confidence.

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    Re: Waiting for Gleyber: The Torres Watch

    Quote Originally Posted by rajah View Post
    They aren't going with Torreyes that long. No way. Ugh.
    They might go with Wade if he has a good spring training.

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    Re: Waiting for Gleyber: The Torres Watch

    Quote Originally Posted by teknetic View Post
    That's like 100PA for Ronald Torreyes, no thanks.
    I really don't get the gate for Toe

    Yes, he doesn't take walks or work the count, but when pitchers are basically grooving the first few pitches, everyone would be bitching if he was taking two strikes.

    Yes, he is not a power hitter, but not every player is Giancarlo Stanton.

    He proved last year that he is a serviceable replacement.

    If he is beaten out in ST, great - but getting 100 AB from him is not going to kill this team.
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