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    MLB free agency: Yankees targeting Yu Darvish

    The Yankees are seriously considering signing free-agent starter Yu Darvish to help bolster their rotation, according to Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports.
    The Yankees want to add a frontline starter and have been trying to go after guys such as the Pirates’ Gerrit Cole, the Tigers’ Michael Fulmer, the Rays’ Chris Archer and free agent Alex Cobb.

    However, the trade talks between the Yankees and Pirates have stalled since Dec. 22, when the Yankees said they were hopeful to put together a package that did not include top prospect Gleyber Torres. As far as Fulmer and Archer, Fulmer is coming off an injury and Archer plays for a division rival, which makes trades for them seem unlikely. In regards to Cobb, Heyman says the Yankees “like” him, but Cobb has also drawn interest from the Cubs, Orioles, Rangers and Blue Jays.

    Which brings up Darvish, who Heyman says people within the Yankees organization like the idea of having on the team, and at “a reasonable price,” will be looked at by the club.
    Last year, Darvish posted a 10-12 record with a 3.86 ERA, 1.16 WHIP and 209 strikeouts over the course of 186 2⁄3 innings between the Rangers and the Dodgers. After being acquired at the non-waiver deadline by the Dodgers, Darvish helped the club get to the World Series by winning games in both the NLDS and NLCS, but had two disastrous starts in the Fall Classic, including Game 7.
    So far, Darvish has drawn interest from the Cubs, Astros and Twins. In fact, the Cubs and Astros both met Darvish in Texas, as the Cubs saw him on Dec. 18 and the Astros talked to Darvish a day later.

    One thing that is clear with the Yankees is that they want to get under the $197 million luxury tax threshold. Heyman says “they might need to make a little room” by getting Darvish at a reasonable rate and possibly trade Jacoby Ellsbury, a high-priced veteran who has a full no-trade clause but “is said to be willing to consider a few scenarios.”
    Adding Darvish would also give the Yankees a rotation that includes Luis Severino, Masahiro Tanaka, Sonny Gray, Jordan Montgomery and CC Sabathia. This staff could be strong enough to help the Yankees, who also added Giancarlo Stanton this offseason, get to the World Series after losing to the eventual champion Astros in seven games last year in the ALCS.
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    Itís not the worst idea in the world, as Gray is signed for 2 more years and Tanaka 3... CC will prob be gone/retired after next year, so theyíre gonna need someone to front their rotation

    Only problem is the lux tax... they have to get rid of Ellsbury in order for it to work, which is why I donít see it happening
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    Quote Originally Posted by flymick24 View Post
    Itís not the worst idea in the world, as Gray is signed for 2 more years and Tanaka 3... CC will prob be gone/retired after next year, so theyíre gonna need someone to front their rotation

    Only problem is the lux tax... they have to get rid of Ellsbury in order for it to work, which is why I donít see it happening
    I wonder if the Yankees might be regretting giving CC that 1 year deal worth 10 mil now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flymick24 View Post
    Itís not the worst idea in the world, as Gray is signed for 2 more years and Tanaka 3... CC will prob be gone/retired after next year, so theyíre gonna need someone to front their rotation

    Only problem is the lux tax... they have to get rid of Ellsbury in order for it to work, which is why I donít see it happening
    One never knows with the Yankees? Getting rid of Ellsbury opens the door for Fraiser and we keep our prospects that we would give for lower level Pitchers. Darvish could be an Ace!
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    This seems unrealistic to me.

    For one, Darvish turns 32 in August. Ideally he wouldn't be signed for more than 4 years; and and even then I wouldn't expect outstanding production through age 36 from a guy who has pitched a lot in his life. And if he were to agree to a 4 year contract, I don't see that happening without a big annual salary. And I agree that the luxury tax is a major obstacle and that moving Ellsbury would have to be necessary, at the minimum. This is to say nothing about how difficult accomplishing just that has been.
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    Re: MLB free agency: Yankees targeting Yu Darvish

    Quote Originally Posted by SatchelPaigeYankee View Post
    This seems unrealistic to me.

    For one, Darvish turns 32 in August. Ideally he wouldn't be signed for more than 4 years; and and even then I wouldn't expect outstanding production through age 36 from a guy who has pitched a lot in his life. And if he were to agree to a 4 year contract, I don't see that happening without a big annual salary. And I agree that the luxury tax is a major obstacle and that moving Ellsbury would have to be necessary, at the minimum. This is to say nothing about how difficult accomplishing just that has been.
    If he is asking for 5, that is a non starter to me. Four I wouldn’t even want to be honest but might if the AAV is low enough.so in other words, he most likely is not coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YankeePride1967 View Post
    If he is asking for 5, that is a non starter to me. Four I wouldnít even want to be honest but might if the AAV is low enough.so in other words, he most likely is not coming.
    I guess it's up to Darvish and how badly he would want to play for the Yankees!
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    Signing Darvish and staying under the luxury cap is easy. Just dump Gardner and his 13 million AAV on a team needing a productive OFer. The Yankees don't need Gardner now. Getting an ace starter is much more valuable. Frazier can be kept and Ellsbury can be the over paid 4th OFer. It is clear to me that this is the best baseball decision and it is just selling the beloved Gardner to the fans that prevents it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flymick24 View Post
    Itís not the worst idea in the world, as Gray is signed for 2 more years and Tanaka 3... CC will prob be gone/retired after next year, so theyíre gonna need someone to front their rotation

    Only problem is the lux tax... they have to get rid of Ellsbury in order for it to work, which is why I donít see it happening
    There are many ways to skin a cat.

    You could eat all but 7 of Ells 21 million AAV and trade a guy like Warren (3.1 MM), Betances (4.4MM) or Shreve (.9MM) . To eat less of his salary you could sweeten it with a prospect or 2 going back to the other team.

    Or get more aggressive (not preferable per se) and trade one of Gardner (11.5MM) or Robertson(13MMM)

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    Re: MLB free agency: Yankees targeting Yu Darvish

    Quote Originally Posted by WWJD View Post
    There are many ways to skin a cat.

    You could eat all but 7 of Ells 21 million AAV and trade a guy like Warren (3.1 MM), Betances (4.4MM) or Shreve (.9MM) . To eat less of his salary you could sweeten it with a prospect or 2 going back to the other team.

    Or get more aggressive (not preferable per se) and trade one of Gardner (11.5MM) or Robertson(13MMM)
    In this current climate, where relief pitching is king, I canít see Cashman subtracting from the major league pen unless he knows another elite arm is coming in... at this point, you have to think that getting rid of Ellsbury is critical to them making any more serious moves
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    Re: MLB free agency: Yankees targeting Yu Darvish

    Don't see it unlees they could upload Ellsbury. And the chance of uploading Ellsbury is slim. But I wouldn't doubt Cashman to make something shocking the world. It seems he's very good at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t View Post
    Don't see it unlees they could upload Ellsbury. And the chance of uploading Ellsbury is slim. But I wouldn't doubt Cashman to make something shocking the world. It seems he's very good at it.
    This is really not that hard to follow along. Not picking on you, just your post and so many like them.

    This is Cots Yankee contracts. This page shows the Yankees about $16 mil under the cap. Others say around $19 due to the possible difference in arbitration cases not yet heard.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...XPAvRQ/pubhtml

    So, if the Yankees sign Darvish for $20 to $25 mil AAV, they will be $1 mil to $9 mil over the cap. Any of Gardner, Hicks, Betances, Warren, Robertson, etc etc etc etc could be moved to get them back under the cap depending on what that number is. Yes, Ellsbury also. Contrary to what you said, Ellsbury is very easy to move, if you pay enough of his paycheck.

    OF and bullpen are the areas they have a surplus of players anyhow. They NEED to move any outfielder anyhow.

    So I don't understand why these types of posts keep popping up. It's like people don't even bother to read the thousand of other posts that say the same exact thing of what I just posted.
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    Re: MLB free agency: Yankees targeting Yu Darvish

    Quote Originally Posted by budstinks View Post
    This is really not that hard to follow along. Not picking on you, just your post and so many like them.

    This is Cots Yankee contracts. This page shows the Yankees about $16 mil under the cap. Others say around $19 due to the possible difference in arbitration cases not yet heard.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...XPAvRQ/pubhtml

    So, if the Yankees sign Darvish for $20 to $25 mil AAV, they will be $1 mil to $9 mil over the cap. Any of Gardner, Hicks, Betances, Warren, Robertson, etc etc etc etc could be moved to get them back under the cap depending on what that number is. Yes, Ellsbury also. Contrary to what you said, Ellsbury is very easy to move, if you pay enough of his paycheck.

    OF and bullpen are the areas they have a surplus of players anyhow. They NEED to move any outfielder anyhow.

    So I don't understand why these types of posts keep popping up. It's like people don't even bother to read the thousand of other posts that say the same exact thing of what I just posted.
    For me it would take shedding two of those as to go into 2018 with no money for mid season trades is not a good idea. Adding another pitcher now is addressing a ďneedĒ we donít have right now. Maybe June comes and we need an IF due to an unforeseen injury or elsewhere
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    Quote Originally Posted by YankeePride1967 View Post
    For me it would take shedding two of those as to go into 2018 with no money for mid season trades is not a good idea. Adding another pitcher now is addressing a “need” we don’t have right now. Maybe June comes and we need an IF due to an unforeseen injury or elsewhere
    Acquiring aces is never a need. It is always a necessity.

    We have so many infielders in the system that are near ready its ridiculous.

    Torres, Wade, Andujar, Solak, Estrada, etc. All of whom are near top 10 Yankee prospects and who are on the verge of being ready.

    Or you could trade for someone making league minimum to fill a whole for a month or two in a minor transaction.

    Again, we have plenty of options to trade if we think we need to have some room at the deadline. Many are extra parts.

    Who's to say you don't trade one of the 6 starting pitchers if you need something at the deadline? I wouldn't unless a 7th starter forces his way in, but you could.

    Adding Darvish gives you another piece that you are now able to move, since he upgrades that spot and moves another piece down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by budstinks View Post
    Acquiring aces is never a need. It is always a necessity.

    We have so many infielders in the system that are near ready its ridiculous.

    Torres, Wade, Andujar, Solak, Estrada, etc. All of whom are near top 10 Yankee prospects and who are on the verge of being ready.

    Or you could trade for someone making league minimum to fill a whole for a month or two in a minor transaction.

    Again, we have plenty of options to trade if we think we need to have some room at the deadline. Many are extra parts.

    Who's to say you don't trade one of the 6 starting pitchers if you need something at the deadline? I wouldn't unless a 7th starter forces his way in, but you could.

    Adding Darvish gives you another piece that you are now able to move, since he upgrades that spot and moves another piece down.
    If there was a bonafode ace available I would agree. I donít view Darvish who has been declining or Cole as aces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by budstinks View Post
    This is really not that hard to follow along. Not picking on you, just your post and so many like them.

    This is Cots Yankee contracts. This page shows the Yankees about $16 mil under the cap. Others say around $19 due to the possible difference in arbitration cases not yet heard.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...XPAvRQ/pubhtml

    So, if the Yankees sign Darvish for $20 to $25 mil AAV, they will be $1 mil to $9 mil over the cap. Any of Gardner, Hicks, Betances, Warren, Robertson, etc etc etc etc could be moved to get them back under the cap depending on what that number is. Yes, Ellsbury also. Contrary to what you said, Ellsbury is very easy to move, if you pay enough of his paycheck.

    OF and bullpen are the areas they have a surplus of players anyhow. They NEED to move any outfielder anyhow.

    So I don't understand why these types of posts keep popping up. It's like people don't even bother to read the thousand of other posts that say the same exact thing of what I just posted.
    These posts keep coming up because it's not just about signing Darvish. Getting those additional $4M is not hard to do. But most realize that they would not totally use up all the cap space before the season starts. It leaves them no room to eat any salary for mid-season upgrade. Some of us also doubt that they're committed to start two rookies at the infield, especially the third base.

    Unless you think that Ellsbury is a decent starter, trading Hicks means that Gardner needs to move to CF and creates another hole at DH. Trading Gardner also has the same effect. It's unlikely that Cashman will trade one of them.

    So it comes down to bullpen. It definitely is a strength but lots of people don't think Cashman would give away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t View Post
    These posts keep coming up because it's not just about signing Darvish. Getting those additional $4M is not hard to do. But most realize that they would not totally use up all the cap space before the season starts. It leaves them no room to eat any salary for mid-season upgrade. Some of us also doubt that they're committed to start two rookies at the infield, especially the third base.

    Unless you think that Ellsbury is a decent starter, trading Hicks means that Gardner needs to move to CF and create another hole at DH. Trading Gardner also has the same effect. It's unlikely that Cashman will trade one of them.

    So it comes down to bullpen. It definitely is a strength but lots of people don't think Cashman would give away.
    That's another thing. Why in the heck would you include Castro (added no value to trade) just to bring someone just like him in Harrison back. Or move Headley? Makes no sense. Or any other 3B making $8 to $10 mil per year. Now if you can pounce on a Machado or someone like for cheap, you do it.

    But yes, the Yankees should go with the kids at 2b and 3b, unless something falls in their laps. Torres is a top 3 prospect in all of baseball and Andujar is top 50. I'm OK, pushing their arrival back a few weeks for an extra year of control, but in my mind they are ready and are really going to push during ST. Bird and Judge were for the most part 2 rookies last year and it worked ok.

    Why would you not trade one of Gardner Hicks and Elsbury? They can't all play anyhow? yes you can rotate 4 outfielders with the DH, but I count 6. Gardner is league avg in LF other than his defense. You don't pay $13 mil just for defense. You can get the same offensive production out of Frazier.

    What is this hole at DH you speak of? Trade one of Hicks/Gardner, you still have 5 outfielders. Any of whom could DH, along with the C when he rests. Then you still have Tyler Austin or McKinnley who COULD DH. So you have 8 potential DH's.

    But back to the point, You said you didn't see it unless they UPLOAD (whatever that means) Ellsbury. There are dozens of ways they could go to improve this roster that doesn't include dumping Ellsbury.

    You jump on Darvish now is because the cost at the trade deadline could get VERY expensive. Are we forgetting how we got Torres, Frazier and many of the young arms in the first place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by budstinks View Post
    That's another thing. Why in the heck would you include Castro (added no value to trade) just to bring someone just like him in Harrison back. Or move Headley? Makes no sense. Or any other 3B making $8 to $10 mil per year. Now if you can pounce on a Machado or someone like for cheap, you do it.

    But yes, the Yankees should go with the kids at 2b and 3b, unless something falls in their laps. Torres is a top 3 prospect in all of baseball and Andujar is top 50. I'm OK, pushing their arrival back a few weeks for an extra year of control, but in my mind they are ready and are really going to push during ST. Bird and Judge were for the most part 2 rookies last year and it worked ok.

    Why would you not trade one of Gardner Hicks and Elsbury? They can't all play anyhow? yes you can rotate 4 outfielders with the DH, but I count 6. Gardner is league avg in LF other than his defense. You don't pay $13 mil just for defense. You can get the same offensive production out of Frazier.

    What is this hole at DH you speak of? Trade one of Hicks/Gardner, you still have 5 outfielders. Any of whom could DH, along with the C when he rests. Then you still have Tyler Austin or McKinnley who COULD DH. So you have 8 potential DH's.

    But back to the point, You said you didn't see it unless they UPLOAD (whatever that means) Ellsbury. There are dozens of ways they could go to improve this roster that doesn't include dumping Ellsbury.

    You jump on Darvish now is because the cost at the trade deadline could get VERY expensive. Are we forgetting how we got Torres, Frazier and many of the young arms in the first place?
    I don't see it not because it's impossible for the Yankees to sign Darvish without dumping Ellsbury. It's because I don't think the Yankees would use other options in order to sign him based on what Cashman previously did. He loves bullpen strength. He loves Hicks. And Gardner is the clubhouse leader who Cashman would not just give him away in order to clear cap space. All reports also said that they would like to keep few millions for mid-season upgrade. When all things combined, I don't think they would sign Darvish unless they free up some money by dumping Ellsbury.

    For record I would love to see the Yankees getting Darvish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t View Post
    These posts keep coming up because it's not just about signing Darvish. Getting those additional $4M is not hard to do. But most realize that they would not totally use up all the cap space before the season starts. It leaves them no room to eat any salary for mid-season upgrade. Some of us also doubt that they're committed to start two rookies at the infield, especially the third base.

    Unless you think that Ellsbury is a decent starter, trading Hicks means that Gardner needs to move to CF and creates another hole at DH. Trading Gardner also has the same effect. It's unlikely that Cashman will trade one of them.

    So it comes down to bullpen. It definitely is a strength but lots of people don't think Cashman would give away.
    Trading Hicks is not happening and should not be happening. He is not going to be making enough to have a freeing impact on the salary cap, and he is clearly their best defensive OFer. He is still only 28 and he could be very good this year, certainly better than the aging
    Gardner who has an AAV of 13 million. Gardner is just not necessary, with the athletic Stanton totally capable of playing LF until Frazier is ready. Dump Gardner's 13 million AAV and you can sign a free agent and keep Frazier in reserve. Ellsbury is still a good defensive OFer and an average hitter. He is terribly over paid, but dumping him for nothing is not going to be as helpful as getting rid of Gardner's unnecessary AAV. This seems obvious to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rajah View Post
    Trading Hicks is not happening and should not be happening. He is not going to be making enough to have a freeing impact on the salary cap, and he is clearly their best defensive OFer. He is still only 28 and he could be very good this year, certainly better than the aging
    Gardner who has an AAV of 13 million. Gardner is just not necessary, with the athletic Stanton totally capable of playing LF until Frazier is ready. Dump Gardner's 13 million AAV and you can sign a free agent and keep Frazier in reserve. Ellsbury is still a good defensive OFer and an average hitter. He is terribly over paid, but dumping him for nothing is not going to be as helpful as getting rid of Gardner's unnecessary AAV. This seems obvious to me.
    I wouldn't underestimate Gardy's effect at the top of the lineup and, of course, his leadership. He brings some intangibles to the table that might be missed. That said, I do agree that Hicks is a keeper and Ellsbury's contract makes moving him a real puzzle so Gardner is the obvious choice of the tree. The game's not played on paper though.
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    Yu Darvish: Yes, the Yankees are on my short list

    "The Yankees came out of nowhere to acquire Giancarlo Stanton after he put them on his short list. And now they have landed on another star’s short list.
    Free agent Yu Darvish personally confirmed a Fort-Worth Star Telegram report on Twitter that he had five teams — the Yankees, Cubs, Rangers, Astros and Twins — on his short list and added further intrigue by throwing a mystery team in there. The Los Angeles Times believes the Dodgers are still in the mix."

    "Darvish and Jake Arrieta are the top free-agent starters on the market, which is moving at a glacial pace.
    “They are sniffing around in case the price drops,’’ a person with a team interested in signing the 31-year-old told The Post about the Yankees last month."

    "A lack of a deal thus far for the right-hander could indicate that his price tag is indeed falling as teams look to avoid inking veteran players to long-term, expensive deals. The Yankees, though, would likely have to find a landing spot for Jacoby Ellsbury and a large chunk of his contract, which will pay the center fielder $68 million over the next three seasons. Ellsbury also has a no-trade clause, adding to the challenge for the Yankees."

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    Re: Yu Darvish: Yes, the Yankees are on my short list

    The Yankees put him on their small money list and he put them on his short list. Everyone's feeling it.

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    Re: Yu Darvish: Yes, the Yankees are on my short list

    Just a suggestion: take it or leave it

    But we already have a Darvish thread: started by yu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tifoso View Post
    Just a suggestion: take it or leave it

    But we already have a Darvish thread: started by yu
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    Re: Yu Darvish: Yes, the Yankees are on my short list

    I'm folding this into the other Darvish thread in this forum. Let's be mindful about starting multiple threads regarding the same topic. Thanks.

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