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10-11-18 12:28 AM #1776
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Re: 2018 Giancarlo Stanton Performance Thread
Just thinking it over today... in this series I swear Stanton literally struck out EVERY at-bat in a big spot. I mean he couldn't even chop a grounder? A lazy fly? He gotta strike out EVERY time when there are men on? How does our highest paid hitter, batting in the middle of the lineup, summon up ZERO RBIs in a 4 game playoff series? Sorry to rant, but just thinking about it 24 hrs later makes me want to throw things.
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10-11-18 01:27 AM #1777
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10-11-18 06:54 AM #1778
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10-11-18 07:04 AM #1779
Re: 2018 Giancarlo Stanton Performance Thread
Simply not true in regards to inconsistency and durability. Even when Harper isn't hitting, he still gets on base. Despite an uncharacteristic .249 AVG, he still generated 130 walks, resulting in a fantastic .393 OBP, which is exactly what this team needs. We certainly could have used some of that patience during Stanton's AB in the 9th inning of game 4 vs. Boston....
Add the fact that he's a LH power hitter tailor-made for YSIII, and he's a far better fit for this team than Stanton.
As far as his WAR goes, it's a direct result of a sub-par defensive performance which was so far off of his career norms, that it validates the whispers that he was struggling through an undisclosed injury during the first half of the season. His UZR/150 was a statistical aberration compared to other years, and he's only 25, so it's not due to a permanent decline of his physical abilities.
The other thing to take into consideration is the DH role, which is what Stanton was primarily this year. You use Harper as the DH on occasion if need be to help keep him fresh."Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever." - Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
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10-11-18 09:02 AM #1780
OPS+
2012: 118
2013: 133
2014: 111
2015: 198
2016: 114
2017: 156
2018: 133
WAR
2012: 5.2
2013: 3.7
2014: 1.1
2015: 10.0
2016: 1.5
2017: 4.7
2018: 1.3
His potential is huge but his inconsistency and injury history are too hard for me to ignore. I don't know how many more undisclosed injuries he had to explain all those down years. Even if he would not physically decline at his age, it's still a big red flag for me to invest $300m to someone who currently has shown little to prove that he could stay healthy.
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10-11-18 09:13 AM #1781
Re: 2018 Giancarlo Stanton Performance Thread
To clarify, I do think that Harper would be a better fit if the Yankees have no plan playing him at LF.
His body breaking down risk is a lot higher than Stanton even though he has age advantage. So if they need to find a new LF, Stanton would be a better hit.Last edited by kan_t; 10-11-18 at 12:44 PM.
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10-11-18 09:42 AM #1782
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10-11-18 09:44 AM #1783
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Re: 2018 Giancarlo Stanton Performance Thread
My 2 cents. I don't want to take on another massive contract. Forget Harper. We need to work with Stanton over the Winter. I was disappointed with everything all season and was not surprised with the playoffs with better pitching. Unfortunately, Art may be right on this. (1) Start with his swing and his inability to put the bat on the ball. I think it's like a hack and not a swing (looks out of balance). We all read how JD did this about having the bat in the zone. Have him go to those guys that worked with JD. He has to improve here and get his K% below 30% to be a clean up batter. (2) Get a new manager that has regular rest days like Joe G. I honestly believe having him go out there 158 games didn't help him but got him in a worst position. You could see it on this face. (3) He is NOT a 4th OF but a DH. I hated him in RF when Judge got hurt so I definitely don't want him in LF. He makes JD look good out there. Have him try backing up 1B like we did with Arod (he couldn't be worst). (4) forget the weight room about building up strength and work on bat speed - he already has power we need improvement in his reaction time. (5) Get his Mom to sit in the box for his game.
No more BS about getting better (OK Stanton - what are you going to do?) or about potential - FO or Stanton should get a trainer for him over the Winter.
In the beginning I thought Judge - Stanton in 3 - 4 (Babe - Lou) spots would be devastating and still feel we can do this. Keeping him in clean up was a mistake. I don't know this but I don't feel he got any help from Marcus or Boone this year.
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10-11-18 10:18 AM #1784
Re: 2018 Giancarlo Stanton Performance Thread
I'm for anything that gets him out of the 3 or 4 hole. He is a rally killer. If it were up to me, I would bat him no higher than 7th but Boone will never do that. Batting him leadoff might be more palatable to all involved. FWIW I agree with you that he's not tradeable either. No one wants that contract.
David Ortiz tested positive for performance enhancing drugs in 2003.
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10-11-18 12:27 PM #1785
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10-11-18 12:53 PM #1786
Re: 2018 Giancarlo Stanton Performance Thread
David Ortiz tested positive for performance enhancing drugs in 2003.
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10-11-18 12:59 PM #1787
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Re: 2018 Giancarlo Stanton Performance Thread
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10-11-18 01:00 PM #1788
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10-11-18 01:14 PM #1789
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Re: 2018 Giancarlo Stanton Performance Thread
The leadoff spot should be occupied by a guy who gets on base. Hicks does that well. Stanton, Judge, and Sanchez had sub-par seasons. That's the only reason why Hicks was often used in a big RBI spot in the lineup. Stanton is a classic clean-up hitter. That ought to be his role.
As I've posted elsewhere, I think the Yankees need a LH power bat. Trading Stanton to get one--if that's possible--would make sense. Guys like Judge and Stanton--maybe Sanchez, too--will tend to get eaten up by RHs with great sliders. It'd be nice to have another LH bat in the lineup to help mitigate that issue.
Batting a guy like Stanton in the leadoff position makes no sense to me.
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10-11-18 01:20 PM #1790
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10-11-18 01:32 PM #1791
Re: 2018 Giancarlo Stanton Performance Thread
David Ortiz tested positive for performance enhancing drugs in 2003.
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10-11-18 01:33 PM #1792
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10-11-18 01:44 PM #1793
Re: 2018 Giancarlo Stanton Performance Thread
Stanton’s not a slap hitter who has problems generating XBHs. He’s a guy with a lousy swing plane who struggles with pitch recognition.
"Be a voice, not an echo." - Albert Einstein
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10-11-18 02:33 PM #1794
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Re: 2018 Giancarlo Stanton Performance Thread
Agree. Having watched him for the first time outside of highlights here and there it's actually a little amazing that he's gotten the results he has with that swing it really is one of the ugliest swings you'll see today. Stanton is a guy that as is just can't hit good pitching by that I mean pitchers with good K rates that rely on chases outside the zone. The plate discipline (especially so against RHP) just isn't quite there. On his best days he's a younger Nelson Cruz on his worst days he's like having an expensive version of Chris Carter. His splits vs LHP though are pretty amazing you usually don't see guys that have such an extensive track record for murdering LHP but he certainly does.
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10-11-18 03:17 PM #1795
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10-11-18 03:28 PM #1796
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10-11-18 05:51 PM #1797
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10-11-18 05:53 PM #1798
Re: 2018 Giancarlo Stanton Performance Thread
And none of those moves help to address the need to improve overall team OBP.
Harper does.
Furthermore, you're not getting Bellinger for Stanton. What you can realistically expect to get is a couple of good prospects and salary relief that will allow you to sign Bryce Harper."Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever." - Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
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10-11-18 06:09 PM #1799
Re: 2018 Giancarlo Stanton Performance Thread
I am fine with Stanton. He came over this year from the NL, put up a 4.2 WAR, despite having a balky hamstring for most of the second half. He does not complain, and works on his craft.
The postseason is littered with guys who have a rough postseason, especially when it consists of five games.
Betts hit .188 in that series, a double and two singles. OBP of .316 - so would you not want him in pinstripes in CF next year?
Stanton is not the problem.Goin for 2<strike>7</strike>8!
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10-11-18 07:47 PM #1800
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