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    Former Tigers Morris amd Trammell elected to Hall of Fame

    Former Detroit Tigers Jack Morris and Alan Trammell were selected by the Modern Era Committee.
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    Whitaker should be there instead of Morris

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    happy for Morris...he belongs there
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    At this point I need to tell myself the only reason of the exclusion of Miller is that he doesn't want to be inducted.

    Congrats to Trammell. It's long overdue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t View Post
    At this point I need to tell myself the only reason of the exclusion of Miller is that he doesn't want to be inducted.

    Congrats to Trammell. It's long overdue.
    Nope. He only said that after he was repeatedly rejected. It doesnít matter anyway. Itís up to the Veterans Committee to do the right thing and vote him in, and if his family refuses, so be it. But thereís no excuse for not voting him in, and itís not a Hall of Fame if they donít. He is easily the most important person in baseball history after 1947.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    Nope. He only said that after he was repeatedly rejected. It doesnít matter anyway. Itís up to the Veterans Committee to do the right thing and vote him in, and if his family refuses, so be it. But thereís no excuse for not voting him in, and itís not a Hall of Fame if they donít. He is easily the most important person in baseball history after 1947.
    That it's players making the decision, and not sportswriters, makes it worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philleotardo View Post
    That it's players making the decision, and not sportswriters, makes it worse.
    The panel consists of 6 former player, 1 former player and coach, 6 executives and 3 writers. Miller clearly is blacklisted. It's a shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t View Post
    The panel consists of 6 former player, 1 former player and coach, 6 executives and 3 writers. Miller clearly is blacklisted. It's a shame.
    But Bowie Kuhn is in. Thatís just an insult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardrain View Post
    happy for Morris...he belongs there
    Morris belongs in a hall of workhorses...But youíre going to have a hard time convincing me his #s were worthy of Cooperstown.

    The game ball from Game 7 of the 91 World Series belongs in the Hall though.
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    Congrats to Jack Morris...well deserved and long overdue.

    Now that Morris is in, I make the case for Mike Mussina whose statistics are probably better in every respect except for complete games. Call it even given Morris had a little more success in the post season than Moose.

    This should put to rest whether or not Moose is deserving of the HOF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeDNYC View Post
    Congrats to Jack Morris...well deserved and long overdue.

    Now that Morris is in, I make the case for Mike Mussina whose statistics are probably better in every respect except for complete games. Call it even given Morris had a little more success in the post season than Moose.

    This should put to rest whether or not Moose is deserving of the HOF.
    Yeah, by completely delegitimizing the enshrinement.

    Legit quesiton: should we petition to call it the Hall of Participation?
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    Re: Former Tigers Morris amd Trammell elected to Hall of Fame

    Is there any chance for Mattingly at this point ?
    What we can appreciate now is that the Yankees from 1996-2003 were even more extraordinary than we thought.

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    It's not the Hall of Fame to me.
    It's the Hall of Very Good.


    Guys like Morris, Niekro, Sutton, Perry, Puckett, etc. - just don't belong. Sorry.
    They were good - but not the elite.


    The Baseball Hall of Fame is a sham to me.
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    Re: Former Tigers Morris amd Trammell elected to Hall of Fame

    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t View Post
    The panel consists of 6 former player, 1 former player and coach, 6 executives and 3 writers. Miller clearly is blacklisted. It's a shame.
    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    But Bowie Kuhn is in. Thatís just an insult.
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    16 voters. 12 votes needed for election. Two active or former GMs. Two active or former Team Presidents. Two active or former Team Chairmen. The committees are constructed to make sure management can veto his election. Itís simple revenge.
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    Re: Former Tigers Morris amd Trammell elected to Hall of Fame

    Quote Originally Posted by ojo View Post
    Yeah, by completely delegitimizing the enshrinement.

    Legit quesiton: should we petition to call it the Hall of Participation?
    I agree, the Hall was meant for standout, stellar stat types. Morris is not that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krall View Post
    I agree, the Hall was meant for standout, stellar stat types. Morris is not that.
    You mean Morris with his career 105 ERA+ wasn't stellar?
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    Quote Originally Posted by effdamets View Post
    You mean Morris with his career 105 ERA+ wasn't stellar?
    Other than durability, there is nothing that jumps out at you other than one CY (with a 4.04 ERA) and 3 20 win seasons. He never has a Pedro-esque run of dominance (granted, his '83 - '87 seasons were really good). If Morris belongs, so do Pettitte and Moose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freebubba View Post
    Other than durability, there is nothing that jumps out at you other than one CY (with a 4.04 ERA) and 3 20 win seasons. He never has a Pedro-esque run of dominance (granted, his '83 - '87 seasons were really good). If Morris belongs, so do Pettitte and Moose.
    See - this is the problem I have.
    I love Pettitte and Moose. But I realize they did not have HOF careers, so I don't whine that they aren't in or getting in.
    Look - my favorite player of all time is Don Mattingly.
    He has the same career numbers as Kirby Puckett and he's in. But I don't think Donnie Baseball belongs there. And I was a big Puckett fan too (I had met him on several occasions). Puckett is not a HOFer.


    I just say - Welcome to the Hall of Participation & Very Good.
    It's a sham to me. The voters have ruined the prestige of enshrinement.


    (BTW - I don't recall Morris winning the CYA)
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    Quote Originally Posted by effdamets View Post
    You mean Morris with his career 105 ERA+ wasn't stellar?
    Itís been a long time since the HOF was limited to the top-tier inner-circle greats. And there are seem people I respect who think Morris should have been there long ago.

    And despite all that, I donít see it. For a compiler, he wasnít that great a compiler, and his peak years werenít eye-popping, either. He never did win the CYA, though he did finish third in the voting two times. I donít think heís even in the inner circle of the Hall of Pretty Darn Good.

    When the HOF started, and for quite a while afterwards, the backlog of old candidates along with the steady stream of new ones made it impossible for old-time players to get a fair shot. The Old Timers/Veterans Committee made sense then, and a lot of worthwhile HOFers were inducted that way. But now itís admitting guys who had 15 fair shots already, and while the occasional wrong might be righted, more often itís just a Watering Down Committee. Its sole function now should be to elect Marvin Miller, after which it should disband.

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    Quote Originally Posted by effdamets View Post
    See - this is the problem I have.
    I love Pettitte and Moose. But I realize they did not have HOF careers, so I don't whine that they aren't in or getting in.
    Look - my favorite player of all time is Don Mattingly.
    He has the same career numbers as Kirby Puckett and he's in. But I don't think Donnie Baseball belongs there. And I was a big Puckett fan too (I had met him on several occasions). Puckett is not a HOFer.


    I just say - Welcome to the Hall of Participation & Very Good.
    It's a sham to me. The voters have ruined the prestige of enshrinement.


    (BTW - I don't recall Morris winning the CYA)
    Jack Morris never won a Cy Young, and Moose's #s are better than many pitchers already enshrined. Pitchers that you'd never question whether or not they belong.

    Pettitte's caught up in the whole steroids thing.
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    I'd be inclined to put Tommy John and Jim Kaat into the Hall of "Excellence" before Jack Morris.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredgmuggs View Post
    I'd be inclined to put Tommy John and Jim Kaat into the Hall of "Excellence" before Jack Morris.
    Also Gaylord Perry, Don Sutton, and Phil Niekro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by effdamets View Post
    See - this is the problem I have.
    I love Pettitte and Moose. But I realize they did not have HOF careers, so I don't whine that they aren't in or getting in.
    Look - my favorite player of all time is Don Mattingly.
    He has the same career numbers as Kirby Puckett and he's in. But I don't think Donnie Baseball belongs there. And I was a big Puckett fan too (I had met him on several occasions). Puckett is not a HOFer.


    I just say - Welcome to the Hall of Participation & Very Good.
    It's a sham to me. The voters have ruined the prestige of enshrinement.

    (BTW - I don't recall Morris winning the CYA)
    I stand corrected - I thought I saw he had one, maybe I did not scroll over enough.

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