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    Re: The Hunt for the final missing piece: one more dominant SP

    Quote Originally Posted by aeromac76 View Post
    Seriously, Hamels goes to HOU and is suddenly Randy Johnson.. It's simply because under the close examining of extremely accurate frame by frame video taken by a camera that only exists in Houston, they determined that if he releases the ball 0.0000001 seconds earlier and at an angle one half of one degree off to the side of where he releases it now, he will gain 7 MPH on his heater and have a curve that Sandy Koufax would be jealous of..

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    Re: The Hunt for the final missing piece: one more dominant SP

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    Re: The Hunt for the final missing piece: one more dominant SP

    Supposedly There was a report out of Texas
    that the Yanks and Rangers were discussing a Cole Hamels deal

    Yanks would get Hamels
    Rangers would get Chance Adams and Thairo Estrada

    Other trade rumors in the AL involve Kelvin Herrera, the Royals closer (Boston and Houston the top two teams in the running). I also wouldn't be surprised if the Mariners (who are surprise contenders so far) traded for someone like Jose Abreu from the White Sox to bolster their lineup with Cano suspended

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    Re: The Hunt for the final missing piece: one more dominant SP

    Here's why a contender would want Hamels: In four starts from April 30 to May 22, he faced the Indians, Red Sox, Astros, and Yankees. In 24 innings, he had a 1.88 ERA and .161 batting average against. Hamels is more than willing to give up his no-trade provision for the chance to pitch in the playoff hunt. At 34, Hamels is still very good. His $23 million salary and $6 million buyout of an option for 2019 becomes an issue. But his salary will only be half that by the trade deadline. He's well worth the investment and it looks like the Yankees could be interested.

    What if Yanks had traded for Verlander?

    Hamels, the 2008 NLCS and World Series MVP for the Phillies , faced the Yankees one week ago, giving up two runs in seven innings of work, leading the Rangers to a 6-4 victory .

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    Re: The Hunt for the final missing piece: one more dominant SP

    For half-season salary of Hamels for this year and a possible option next as well it probably isn't a bad idea to trade Chance. I don't think he is crap or anything, but he seems similar to Mateo in that you trade him for assets that has a solid chance of being an average or better acquisition for a playoff push. If Hamels simply becomes a trustworthy #3 with the potential to rise to #2 with luck, that will greatly help the current Yankees situation even with the price tag.


    Right now he's still in the top-100 prospect status but it is becoming more and more likely that he's not going to be a starter, and I never thought I'd say this but with Torreyes showing he can be a solid UTL and Drury available with Torres/Didi in the IF, an Estrada/Wade seems dispensable.

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    Re: The Hunt for the final missing piece: one more dominant SP

    Chance Adams, Josh Rogers (who the Rangers reportedly like even more than Adams), and Luis Cessa for Cole Hamels. If the Rangers would kick in $6M (Yanks can give it to Hamels to waive his NTC and use towards a 2019 club option or buyout), Yanks kick in Tyler Austin.

    If I'm the Yanks or the Rangers, I do that deal today.

    Rangers come out with a very nice haul, all the players are expendable to the Yanks, and Hamels is a perfect #3 behind Severino and Tanaka in a short best-of-five series.

    I don't label him as a "dominant" SP, but he certainly checks all the boxes for me.
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    I just hope we reset the cap regardless of the deals we make.

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    I just hope we reset the cap regardless of the deals we make.
    Thereís almost no way we can possibly go over.

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    Re: The Hunt for the final missing piece: one more dominant SP

    Quote Originally Posted by sjb23 View Post
    Chance Adams, Josh Rogers (who the Rangers reportedly like even more than Adams), and Luis Cessa for Cole Hamels. If the Rangers would kick in $6M (Yanks can give it to Hamels to waive his NTC and use towards a 2019 club option or buyout), Yanks kick in Tyler Austin.

    If I'm the Yanks or the Rangers, I do that deal today.

    Rangers come out with a very nice haul, all the players are expendable to the Yanks, and Hamels is a perfect #3 behind Severino and Tanaka in a short best-of-five series.

    I don't label him as a "dominant" SP, but he certainly checks all the boxes for me.
    Because of the salary there is no Hamels trade I'd make "today." With less than 2 months to go until the deadline the Yankees should wait it out both to take on less of Hamel's salary and to see what else becomes available. Unless they're certain that Hamels is the best they can do and have the salaries sorted out it makes no sense to jump the gun on that.

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    Because of the salary there is no Hamels trade I'd make "today." With less than 2 months to go until the deadline the Yankees should wait it out both to take on less of Hamel's salary and to see what else becomes available. Unless they're certain that Hamels is the best they can do and have the salaries sorted out it makes no sense to jump the gun on that.
    It really doesnít seem like anyone will be available. Rays probably wonít trade to us and the Giants are too close to first place to trade Bumgarner. I really donít foresee a pitcher better than Hamels coming available. Figures there are always good pitchers available and the year we really need one the options are more limited than ever. I really wish Seattle was a worse team and Paxton was available.

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    It really doesn’t seem like anyone will be available. Rays probably won’t trade to us and the Giants are too close to first place to trade Bumgarner. I really don’t foresee a pitcher better than Hamels coming available. Figures there are always good pitchers available and the year we really need one the options are more limited than ever. I really wish Seattle was a worse team and Paxton was available.
    Hamels has been one heck of a big game pitcher throughout his career. I like his mental make up significantly more than Gray.

    Significantly more.

    It will at least somewhat make up for missing out on the 'other ' Cole.

    He also depending on which Tanaka we get in Sept could be our #2 right after Sevy in the playoffs. Thats significant.

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    Re: The Hunt for the final missing piece: one more dominant SP

    The Giants are have a -43 run differential; they suck. They're also old with no farm system. They should, but probably won't put Bumgarner on the market because they seem to enjoy making bad decisions lately.

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    Hamels has been one heck of a big game pitcher throughout his career. I like his mental make up significantly more than Gray.

    Significantly more.

    It will at least somewhat make up for missing out on the 'other ' Cole.

    He also depending on which Tanaka we get in Sept could be our #2 right after Sevy in the playoffs. Thats significant.
    Oh I love Hamels. He has been one of my favorite pitchers ever since he came in the league, but heís not an ace anymore. Iím saying it sucks thereís no one like Verlander or Darvish available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LouisLitt View Post
    The Giants are have a -43 run differential; they suck. They're also old with no farm system. They should, but probably won't put Bumgarner on the market because they seem to enjoy making bad decisions lately.
    Their winning method is to squeeze into playoff then let Mad Bum take care the business. Can't really say that their thinking wouldn't work. They did win 3 WS in last 10 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t View Post
    Their winning method is to squeeze into playoff then let Mad Bum take care the business. Can't really say that their thinking wouldn't work. They did win 3 WS in last 10 years.
    They also weren't a "great" team in the regular season during those years either. 88 wins in 2014, 94 in 2012, 92 in 2010. I don't think any NL West team is going to run away with that division this year.

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    Cole Hamels is the move we need to make. Hes the type of pitcher who could help us make a WS run with his experience of big game pitching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carsten Charles View Post
    It really doesnít seem like anyone will be available. Rays probably wonít trade to us and the Giants are too close to first place to trade Bumgarner. I really donít foresee a pitcher better than Hamels coming available. Figures there are always good pitchers available and the year we really need one the options are more limited than ever. I really wish Seattle was a worse team and Paxton was available.
    I repeat in jest that Felix Hernandez could be available.

    Since May 1, the Mariner rotation:

    James Paxton, 6 starts, 1.67 ERA
    Felix Hernandez, 6 starts, 6.68 ERA
    Mike Leake, 6 starts, 3.20 ERA
    Marco Gonzales, 6 starts, 2.13 ERA
    Wade LeBlanc, 6 starts, 1.72 ERA

    Despite the sparkling positives, the list makes this Seattle fan sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yanks12009 View Post
    They also weren't a "great" team in the regular season during those years either. 88 wins in 2014, 94 in 2012, 92 in 2010. I don't think any NL West team is going to run away with that division this year.
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    Re: The Hunt for the final missing piece: one more dominant SP

    It's still a little early, but there may not be a better available starter out there than German. At least for the moment, getting another dominant starter isn't as dire as it was a couple of weeks ago. Cash can afford to play his own cards a while longer.
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    It's still a little early, but there may not be a better available starter out there than German. At least for the moment, getting another dominant starter isn't as dire as it was a couple of weeks ago. Cash can afford to play his own cards a while longer.
    Great point. German is blossoming into a legitimate asset in this rotation right before our eyes. What an embarrassment of riches it will be if Loaisiga has the goods as well.

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    Re: The Hunt for the final missing piece: one more dominant SP

    Quote Originally Posted by Bub View Post
    It's still a little early, but there may not be a better available starter out there than German. At least for the moment, getting another dominant starter isn't as dire as it was a couple of weeks ago. Cash can afford to play his own cards a while longer.
    I agree with this so much. I wouldn't buy stock at German being the guy simply because of the odds, but I'm loving every minute of this for what it means for the Yankees current success AND for Cashman's hand over the next month.
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    Re: The Hunt for the final missing piece: one more dominant SP

    At the very least, it buys some time for Cashman to continue to search for that dominant SP.

    It's dominant guy or bust.
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    Re: The Hunt for the final missing piece: one more dominant SP

    In the 52 games since the team’s shaky 9-9 outset to the season, the rotation has a 3.38 ERA (sixth best in the majors). Over the past 21 games it is 2.77, second best. That latter result was produced without Montgomery and mostly without Tanaka, but with German sure looking more and more like a trustworthy starter.

    Will it last? Is this an Aaron Small sample size? Will the league see German, adjust and knock him into long relief? It is a possibility. But so is that German actually is a starter. He has the equipment.

    He has three above-average pitches with fastball, changeup and a curve that produced 10 of the 17 swings and misses by the Mariners. German has fixated on fastball command, which has sharpened his whole repertoire. In his last four starts, the 25-year-old righty has walked four and struck out 31 in 25 ≤/₃ innings, including no walks and nine whiffs in a career-high seven innings against the Mariners.
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