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    Re: 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

    Jonathan Mayo‏ @JonathanMayo 13h13 hours ago
    Rules for signing former Braves prospects:
    *Dec. 5-Jan 15 window
    *$200K exemption for any bonus
    *Team can pick '17-'18 signing period or '18-'19
    *Showcase for 12 players planned for end of Nov.

    Jonathan Mayo‏ @JonathanMayo 13h13 hours ago
    Looking at the fine print of these rules and I need to amend earlier statement. Teams under penalty can offer only $300K. W/exemption, only $100K would count toward bonus pool. But offer is capped.
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    Re: 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch Catch View Post
    I really want Maitan, but I can definitely believe a little bit of those reports that said he was meh. I'd be much more excited than I am if he had posted impressive results in the short time he played this year.
    I'm more inclined to sign another of their prospects: catcher Abrahan Gutierrez, is a position we need some depth, he might be my option 1 and then Maitan

    In this topic I have to trust the Yankees, they have a great record in scouting young players, they might already be in one of the guys who is flying under the radar

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    Re: 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch Catch View Post
    Jonathan Mayo‏ @JonathanMayo 13h13 hours ago
    Rules for signing former Braves prospects:
    *Dec. 5-Jan 15 window
    *$200K exemption for any bonus
    *Team can pick '17-'18 signing period or '18-'19
    *Showcase for 12 players planned for end of Nov.

    Jonathan Mayo‏ @JonathanMayo 13h13 hours ago
    Looking at the fine print of these rules and I need to amend earlier statement. Teams under penalty can offer only $300K. W/exemption, only $100K would count toward bonus pool. But offer is capped.
    If I was the Twins, i would just use all that remaining IFA cap space to go hard at these guys right away and hopefully sign them before the Yankees/Rangers/Mariners/etc are done focusing on Ohtani. May as well get something rather than have a pretty small shot at Ohtani.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philleotardo View Post
    As long as Jaromir Jane is still active, I've still got someone older than me.

    Is Vinatieri still kicking? He was the other one.
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    Re: 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Jace View Post
    If I was the Twins, i would just use all that remaining IFA cap space to go hard at these guys right away and hopefully sign them before the Yankees/Rangers/Mariners/etc are done focusing on Ohtani. May as well get something rather than have a pretty small shot at Ohtani.
    It would be great if Otani could decide before December 5th. If he does not want the Yankees we would have plenty of cash to splurge on these guys.

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    Re: 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Ny27xwschamps View Post
    That's fair, but the kid is only 17


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    Don't give up on Kevin Maitan yet. Somebody's going to spend a lot on him and for good reason. All talk of his Appy numbers should include this: that league had one regular born in 2000 this year. He was it.
    Yeah, I definitely still want him, but these kind of reports are a little disconcerting when talking about potentially sacrificing the majority of whatever budget you choose to allocate his bonus to:

    https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-...and-its-harsh/

    I saw Maitan firsthand during his stateside debut in the 2016 Fall Instructional League. He had already thickened up quite a bit at that point and seemed likely to move to third base sooner than anticipated. But the bat speed, arm strength, and feel to hit were all as advertised. I left satisfied that Maitan, whom I had already projected to third base anyway, was as advertised.

    Then 2017 reports started coming in. Scouts expressed concern over Maitanís thickening body, some dropping a 30 on his lateral range at shortstop and projecting him over at first base. Others didnít like his swing, citing stiffness and length. Pro scouts couldnít understand what all the international fuss was about.

    Maitan still has enviable bat speed and bat control, but any team that pursues him is pursuing a talented reclamation project, not a presently enticing talent. Heís still just 17 and itís far too early to give up on Maitan as a prospect, but unless you view him using his amateur reports as context, you might not even think he is one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredgmuggs View Post
    When Jesse Orosco retired it was sad day for me because that meant I was now older than every player in MLB.
    For some reason the first player that made me feel old was Pat Kelly. Even though he's a few years older than I am he was the first player that felt like he was my age. And then he retired and it was a bit of a WTF moment.
    /sarcasm
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    Re: 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch Catch View Post
    Yeah, I definitely still want him, but these kind of reports are a little disconcerting when talking about potentially sacrificing the majority of whatever budget you choose to allocate his bonus to:

    https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-...and-its-harsh/
    He looks pretty big for a 17-year-old. Thick thighs

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    Quote Originally Posted by aeromac76 View Post
    But then all of a sudden it started to hit me that I was seeing guys get inducted whose careers I had seen start.. I mean I recall guys who are in the hall of fame now playing in their rookie seasons... that is when it totally hit me... I am old..
    I used to say that you know you're old when the guy you remember as rookie of the year is now in the Hall of Fame. I've since amended that to say you know you're old when the guy you remember as rookie of the year has a son in the Hall of Fame.
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    Re: 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

    I'd go after Pena, Contreras, and Del Rosario.


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    Re: 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

    Paco Rodriguez for LOOGY candidate.

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...odrist02.shtml

    If this 26yr old is healthy again (left elbow surgery) it would be worth signing him to a minimal contract or inviting him to ST as a non-roster player.

    Rodriguez hasn't pitched in over two seasons and the Braves released him in spring training 2017. He was healthy and throwing the ball pretty good, but he may have pissed the Braves off:

    http://www.ajc.com/sports/baseball/b...TUhuzCyYWnj5L/

    One of those low risk/high reward candidates. Could be a sleeper.
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    Re: 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

    Jim Duquette, ladies and gentlemen:

    http://m.mlb.com/news/article/262372...329-1033449293

    Manny Machado to the Yankees

    The Orioles are at a crossroads, with Machado, Adam Jones and Zach Britton all expected to become free agents at the end of the 2018 season. Instead of holding on to these players until the non-waiver Trade Deadline or the end of next year and receiving Draft-pick compensation, Baltimore should be proactive and seek a trade for its star third baseman now that a long-term extension appears unlikely.

    Trading Machado within the division to New York would be a tough sell to the O's fan base, but the Yankees are a perfect fit for Machado, given that they don't have a long-term solution at the hot corner and will likely be a front-runner for his services next year when he hits free agency. If the Yankees would part with shortstop Gleyber Torres, the No. 1 prospect in the game who is coming off Tommy John surgery, that would make it enticing for the Orioles. Both sides would be equally uncomfortable in a deal like that, which usually means it makes plenty of sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch Catch View Post
    Jim Duquette, ladies and gentlemen:

    http://m.mlb.com/news/article/262372...329-1033449293
    why would the yankees trade "the no. 1 prospect in the game" for a 1-year rental of a guy who will seek a max contract as a FA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch Catch View Post
    Jim Duquette, ladies and gentlemen:

    http://m.mlb.com/news/article/262372...329-1033449293
    Lol, except it doesn't make sense.

    MAYBE if Machado was under contract, maybe... but he's a FA after this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch Catch View Post
    Jim Duquette, ladies and gentlemen:

    http://m.mlb.com/news/article/262372...329-1033449293
    Uhmm, I think I'll just wait a year and have BOTH Machado and Torres. Thanks, Jim.

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    After skimming over that horrible article by Duqette, the most outlandish trade is probably the Chris Archer to the Cubs one. Oscar de la Cruz, Alex Lange and "possibly more" for Archer. Lmao, not even remotely close to what it would take to secure Archer.

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    Re: 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

    Would prefer Donaldson to Machado.

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    Castro to the Mets makes a ton of sense. He'd make an absolutely perfect Met. When I think Mets, I think of players exactly like Starlin Castro.

    If you listen to the rumors, the Mets are attached to nearly every second baseman on the market and on the trading block, including former Met Neil Walker. So far, nothing has come of them. But eventually, something will because the Mets don't have a second baseman on their active roster unless you count Gavin Cecchini, and it doesn't look like the front office is counting him.
    http://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/201..._shopping.html

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    Re: 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

    This offseason has been so slow. No notable moves around the league and itís the end of November.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClownPickle View Post
    Would prefer Donaldson to Machado.
    Donaldson will definitely cost less money. Outside of that, Machado by a mile going forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEBOSS84 View Post
    This offseason has been so slow. No notable moves around the league and itís the end of November.
    Just like last year. Remember how long it took for the power hitters to get signed?

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    Re: 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by albo4lyfe View Post
    Donaldson will definitely cost less money. Outside of that, Machado by a mile going forward.
    Donaldson is also 34. Unless he will sign for at most, 3 years, no thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by YankeePride1967 View Post
    Donaldson is also 34. Unless he will sign for at most, 3 years, no thanks
    His 32nd birthday is on December 8th. Five months ago, Machado turned 25 years old.

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    Re: 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

    I am still holding out hope to see an IF of:

    Bird
    Torres
    Andujar
    Gregorius

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    Quote Originally Posted by YankeePride1967 View Post
    Donaldson is also 34. Unless he will sign for at most, 3 years, no thanks
    He's actually 32 in a couple of weeks. So, he'll be 33 when he signs next year. Yeah, I'm not too crazy about giving a big contract to a guy past his prime.

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