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    Re: 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by THEBOSS84 View Post
    If that's the description of their #2 prospect, I kinda feel bad for them.
    If that's the description of their #2 prospect, I feel bad for their prospects numbered higher than this.

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    Re: 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by THEBOSS84 View Post
    That's not really leverage. The only loser in that case would be the Yankees, since they wouldn't be able to clear a single penny of his contract off the payroll.
    They would clear the roster spot, I'm just saying that Ellsbury isn't guaranteed a roster spot if he refuses to be dealt.

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    Re: 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by THEBOSS84 View Post
    If that's the description of their #2 prospect, I kinda feel bad for them.
    DiPoto doesn't really value prospect development - we're not the only ones he cedes low-level, undeveloped talent to for middling/fringe MLB players. Their farm is pretty trash outside of Kyle Lewis.

    Oh, and Sam Carlson, obviously.

    It looks like they got that SS that the Yankees cancelled their contract on a few years ago, too - Christopher Torres (who was #7 in their Pipeline rankings). Plus $1 million more in IFA money, which is probably more important than either prospect right now.
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    Re: 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

    Mariners also got more international spending money. After they got some from Twins last night. Hmmm, wonder what they could use that for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch Catch View Post
    DiPoto doesn't really value prospect development - we're not the only ones he cedes low-level, undeveloped talent to for middling/fringe MLB players. Their farm is pretty trash outside of Kyle Lewis.

    Oh, and Sam Carlson, obviously.

    It looks like they got that SS that the Yankees cancelled their contract on a few years ago, too - Christopher Torres (who was #7 in their Pipeline rankings). Plus $1 million more in IFA money, which is probably more important than either prospect right now.
    I say one thing about DiPoto, he likes to make trades.

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    Re: 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankees1962 View Post
    I say one thing about DiPoto, he likes to make trades.
    From last week:

    http://www.espn.com/blog/sweetspot/p...lly-make-sense

    Since he was hired as Mariners GM in late September 2015, Dipoto has made 60 trades, easily most in the majors, more than two per month on average.
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    Re: 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch Catch View Post
    what's his batting average in the deals?
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    Re: 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

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    And if my math is correct, they can keep adding to a max of $4.37 million. Teams can add up to 75 pct of their initial pool, which for #Mariners was $4.75 mil. They've spent $3,942,500 to date.

    I'd buy Evan White from them if they are willing.

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    Re: 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

    I wonder if Nelson Cruz would be the odd man out in Seattle. I wouldn’t mind him manning DH for us for a year.
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    Re: 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

    We're missing out on trading IFA bonus pool.

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    Re: 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by fredgmuggs View Post
    what's his batting average in the deals?

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    Re: 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by tranquility View Post
    The last team to go the entire season using only five starters was the 2003 Seattle Mariners, who missed the postseason despite winning 93 games:

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/SEA/2003.shtml

    Seventeen pitchers made starts for Seattle this year:

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/SEA/2017.shtml
    Meaningless stat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Marsh View Post
    Meaningless stat.
    How is it meaningless?

    Are you suggestion that it's not common for teams to use more than 5 starters per year?

    315 pitchers made at least 1 start last year. That's roughly 10.1 SP per team.

    238 pitchers made 5 or more starts. That roughly 7.9 per team who make 5 or more starts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BomberBrian View Post
    Jonathan Mayo @JonathanMayo
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    And if my math is correct, they can keep adding to a max of $4.37 million. Teams can add up to 75 pct of their initial pool, which for #Mariners was $4.75 mil. They've spent $3,942,500 to date.

    I'd buy Evan White from them if they are willing.
    That is a good idea. I wonder if the Yankees could get a good prospect from the teams who are a finalist for Ohtani if they trade them some international pool money.
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    Re: 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

    All this talk about Joey Votto for Jacoby Ellsbury

    Looking at their AAVs, they are almost identical, so it does nothing for us in regards to getting under the luxury tax.

    With Cincy in a complete rebuild, they would have no desire trading their best player for someone who belongs on the DFA heap.

    Unless Cincy gets a TON of prospect value, the suggestion is just bizarre to me.
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    Re: 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

    Ellsbury for Cano who can become the Yanks full time DH. At least we would get contribution from an inflated contract. I know Cano's contract is longer but after the luxury tax is reset the Yanks can absorb it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClownPickle View Post
    We're missing out on trading IFA bonus pool.
    We really are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYDCYankee View Post
    We really are.
    There are still top IFA prospects available in the market.

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    Re: 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ClownPickle View Post
    We're missing out on trading IFA bonus pool.
    I agree too, I'd love to see us swing a deal with the Padres. Baez interests me greatly in their system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHugeUnit2 View Post
    I agree too, I'd love to see us swing a deal with the Padres. Baez interests me greatly in their system.
    The Padres IFA bonus is capped at $300k. They have no use of the Yankees IFA bonus.

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    Re: 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHugeUnit2 View Post
    I agree too, I'd love to see us swing a deal with the Padres. Baez interests me greatly in their system.
    All four NL teams still in the mix are capped at 300k per so they have no need to trade for additional money.

    Only the Rangers, Angels, and Mariners would be looking to add slot money.

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    Re: 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t View Post
    The Padres IFA bonus is capped at $300k. They have no use of the Yankees IFA bonus.
    Can the Rangers add money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHugeUnit2 View Post
    Can the Rangers add money?
    Not sure how much they have spent in IFA. They may have already hit the cap just like the Yankees.

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    Re: 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by NYDCYankee View Post
    We really are.
    The Twins got the got the current 22nd and 24th prospects in their system for $1 million each in IFA money. I'm not convinced that those guys are more worthy than signing some of the remaining J2 guys, and especially the Cuban, Juan Pablo Martinez.
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    Re: 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    How is it meaningless?

    Are you suggestion that it's not common for teams to use more than 5 starters per year?

    315 pitchers made at least 1 start last year. That's roughly 10.1 SP per team.

    238 pitchers made 5 or more starts. That roughly 7.9 per team who make 5 or more starts.
    Whether a team used more than 5 starters is not relevant to the question of whether minor league prospects will get an opportunity to break into the rotation as a result of injury.

    When Pineda went down for the season, that created an opportunity although the Yankees covered it with a veteran, when CC needed a fill in for 2 starts, that didn't create an opportunity for anyone.

    Every team has pitchers beyond their starting 5 who get 1-5 starts per season. Nothing big about being one of those guys. The more meaningful stat would be how many starters on each team got 10 or more starts per season.

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