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    Re: Proposal to Fix the League

    I like 6 playoff teams too, but I also want to go back to 20 teams.

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    Re: Proposal to Fix the League

    Quote Originally Posted by gdn View Post
    I like 6 playoff teams too, but I also want to go back to 20 teams.
    Would 8 playoff teams be acceptable if there were 20 teams?

    Can we make this a prize league?



    I think this has been one of the better years for participation in the recent future, but there is clearly room for improvement.

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    Re: Proposal to Fix the League

    Quote Originally Posted by JDPNYY View Post
    Would 8 playoff teams be acceptable if there were 20 teams?

    Can we make this a prize league?



    I think this has been one of the better years for participation in the recent future, but there is clearly room for improvement.
    I think 8 out of 20 teams would be acceptable.

    I'm not in favor of a money payout but that's a personal preference; I don't like gambling or playing for money.

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    Re: Proposal to Fix the League

    8 out of 20 would also but a solution I agree too.


    We all know I am in favor of a $$ payout because way too much effort goes into this league for no reward. Plus it would give teams incentive to not sell off without sacrificing any shot at some $$

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    Re: Proposal to Fix the League

    do like $5-$10 to the weekly high scorer and then the rest of the $ to the champion

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    Re: Proposal to Fix the League

    I'm in favor of this, but would prefer 8 and 20. That being said, I don't want trash owners who don't pay attention just to get to 20.

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    Re: Proposal to Fix the League

    Quote Originally Posted by JDPNYY View Post
    Interesting. One negative is that the buyers would have less sellers to bargain with.

    that is a good thing!!

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    Re: Proposal to Fix the League

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisRo View Post
    I would be very much in favor of something like this. From 5 to 8 seems reasonable to me. It'd still be less than half the teams making the playoffs, but it would keep most teams involved much longer.
    this is one reason I wanted to go back to 20 teams and 4 divisions!!

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    Re: Proposal to Fix the League

    Quote Originally Posted by BrianNYYanks View Post
    this is one reason I wanted to go back to 20 teams and 4 divisions!!
    And two wildcards.

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    Re: Proposal to Fix the League

    Proposed: Let's open up trading for the entire off-season, 15 days after the championship. MLB does it; why not us? Just think: You can hear from Miko all winter long!!

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    Re: Proposal to Fix the League

    As far as expanding the playoff teams, I am in favor only if we expand to 20 teams....JMTC

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    Re: Proposal to Fix the League

    Should we vote on this while we're all still here?

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    Re: Proposal to Fix the League

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisRo View Post
    Should we vote on this while we're all still here?
    yes, via poll? I don't know how to make a poll.

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    Re: Proposal to Fix the League

    Quote Originally Posted by hardrain View Post
    What did Steve do?
    I got into a political debate that caused me to use some language that may be considered against community standards.

    I regret nothing!!!

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    Re: Proposal to Fix the League

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisRo View Post
    Should we vote on this while we're all still here?
    Yes, but vote on what, exactly?

    20 teams? 6 playoff teams? 8 playoff teams? 18 teams and 6 playoff teams? 18 teams and 8 playoff teams?

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    Re: Proposal to Fix the League

    Quote Originally Posted by Stupid Flanders View Post
    We play from April through September. I hardly think the first four weeks define a season.

    If it's a very strong division, we have TWO wild cards.

    I grew up watching baseball have four divisions with 4 playoff teams. Then 30 teams with 8 playoff teams. Now it's 30 teams with 10 playoff teams (although let's discard the wildcRd one game playoff as it doesn't fit into our current formats).

    What you're proposing is 18 teams with 8 playoff teams. When anyone proposed tracing draft picks, the answer was "well, MLB doesn't allow it. We don't either". The NHL does.

    This is a fantasy BASEBALL league. Not a fantasy HOCKEY league. I support a post season, not a "second season." I am also an NHL fan, but I am able to separate both of them. Baseball should not have nearly half the league make the playoffs

    That is not a league I would be interested in. If it is forced on this league I would lose all interest.

    The reason I still play here - and it's the ONLY non-cash league I play, is because we have 18 (nee 20 RIP) teams, and it has a minors and keeper system, and is COMPETITIVE and DIFFICULT to make the playoffs.

    I have spent 14 years in this league. I feel like making it a free for all "who gets lucky at the end of the year" fest is something I have no interest in.

    People get injured! It happens. It's part of baseball.

    Let's respect the sport we are emulating here. I have played in multiple champjonships but never won the title, so I'm not speaking as if this is something of benefit to me

    Just don't kill what makes this league different.
    WOuld you agree something has to happen to keep more teams in it late so we can reduce the number of dump trades we have? I would have preferred not giving away my future for a deep playoff run, but I was forced to if I want to be competitive with the other teams that made those moves. Under the current system it's the smart and correct move.

    But it sort of comes down to a crap shoot anyway. It depends on who can make the best trade (that gets ok'd by the league, or at an optimal time when few are logging on to see the trades), and then it goes down to two start pitchers. All the playoff teams are going in with nearly 4/5 of their rotation probably being studs, so it's about quantity. Which is a crap shoot.

    I completely agree that this league is awesome the way it is and I also notice the difficulty of getting in and winning. I'm still waiting for my first flag to fly. I am however, willing to entertain anything that will keep more people in for longer amounts of time cutting down the keeper based trades that do offset the balance.

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    Re: Proposal to Fix the League

    Here's an interesting discussion on dump trades and keeper leagues; there are some interesting suggestions in the comments:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/kee...gue-integrity/

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    Re: Proposal to Fix the League

    I think we really should have a date where no dump trades are allowed prior to. That would help keep the integrity of the league in place a bit longer. It may not fix the problem, but it's a step in the right direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman23 View Post
    I think we really should have a date where no dump trades are allowed prior to. That would help keep the integrity of the league in place a bit longer. It may not fix the problem, but it's a step in the right direction.
    I support this. Someone dumping in May or early June because they're 5-6 is absurd, IMO.

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    Re: Proposal to Fix the League

    Quote Originally Posted by PinstripePride View Post
    I support this. Someone dumping in May or early June because they're 5-6 is absurd, IMO.
    How are we going to define "dump trade?"

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    Re: Proposal to Fix the League

    Quote Originally Posted by gdn View Post
    How are we going to define "dump trade?"
    if keeper value is what offsets points, it's a dump trade. But for the most part dump trades are obvious.

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    Re: Proposal to Fix the League

    Quote Originally Posted by PinstripePride View Post
    I support this. Someone dumping in May or early June because they're 5-6 is absurd, IMO.
    Where do you draw the line? What if a team is 2-9 in June, or 0-8 in May?

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    Re: Proposal to Fix the League

    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman23 View Post
    if keeper value is what offsets points, it's a dump trade. But for the most part dump trades are obvious.
    That's not a good enough answer or description. We need precise terms and definitions and benchmarks in place before we enact any such rules.

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    Re: Proposal to Fix the League

    Quote Originally Posted by JDPNYY View Post
    Where do you draw the line? What if a team is 2-9 in June, or 0-8 in May?
    A bad team is not a good enough reason to offset the balance of the league early in the season. This league is too deep to be handing a team stars for prospects. It disrupts the scoring more so than it would in a shallow 10 or 12 team league where there are plenty of players on the wire that can potentially help you. If you had a bad draft or you just suck, you should deal with sucking. That's your bad, not that of the other 16 teams in the league that you're going to put at an early disadvantage.

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    Re: Proposal to Fix the League

    Quote Originally Posted by gdn View Post
    That's not a good enough answer or description. We need precise terms and definitions and benchmarks in place before we enact any such rules.
    dump trades are obvious man. I don't think it's something you can or need to define.

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