2017 Rule V Eligibility & Draft

[JayMan92]

That misses the point, the point is whether he needs to be protected in November or not (he does). If he didn't, someone else could be protected and Torres could be added when needed in 2018, like Fowler and Frazier and Wade and Montgomery were, for example.

Okay, but with his impending arrival, a trade would have to be made to allow Torres on the 40 man. It would just create another problem. My point was that he'll be up in the majors by June (if not earlier) next year, so there should be a spot available for him anyway. The Yankees would lose some leverage in a potential deal too because teams know that they'd need a spot for Gleyber.

There's a reason why a 5th starter rental like Garcia got a rising prospect in Zach Littell as a return. It's because the Twins GM knew that the Yankees wanted to gain leverage in a Gray deal, and the relational value of which the Twins and Yanks agreed on was: Florial + Garcia + extra 40 man space + extra IFA cash > Fowler + Kap + Littell (assuming that the package was originally Florial + Mateo).

[jon abbey]

It's easier to get guys on the 40 man once the season starts, you have the 60 day DL for one. There's absolutely no reason to protect guys you don't have to in November, and in fact bringing up Holder last September (because of that one ridiculously dominant outing in AAA with all the Ks) ended up costing them a spot in November, maybe that's why we lost Torrens (I know it was a calculated gamble, but I still would have protected him).

[groundhoggator]

It's never to early to identify possible players who will need protection this offseason:

Per RAB - http://riveraveblues.com/2017/01/201...s-year-148611/

Catchers: None

Infielders: Abi Avelino, Thairo Estrada, Gleyber Torres,

Outfielders: Rashad Crawford, Billy McKinney, Leonardo Molina

Pitchers: Albert Abreu, Domingo Acevedo, Nestor Cortes, J.P. Feyereisen, Eric Swanson, Stephen Tarpley

For a full list of players - pinstriped prospects has it. Who else would you like to add?

http://pinstripedprospects.com/updat...e-agents-21546

As we get closer to Rule V - thought it would be good to refresh. Players under consideration from beginning of year listed above...

Likely Molina, Tarpley, Swanson, Crawford, Feyereisen and Cortes are not protected.

[mbn007]

As we get closer to Rule V - thought it would be good to refresh. Players under consideration from beginning of year listed above...

Likely Molina, Tarpley, Swanson, Crawford, Feyereisen and Cortes are not protected.

Agree. At this point, I just don't see the room for these guys.


I think Feyereisen gets popped.

[philleotardo]

Agree. At this point, I just don't see the room for these guys.


I think Feyereisen gets popped.

I think Tarpley does, too.

[jon abbey]

I still think Cashman clears a little more space this week, moving guys like Mitchell and Cessa.

[Snatch Catch]

A Pazos/Gamel type deal for Mitchell would make the rest of my 2017.

[mbn007]

A Pazos/Gamel type deal for Mitchell would make the rest of my 2017.

Do the same with Cessa and one or 2 others.

[jon abbey]

Lot of movement presumably still to come in the next 48 hours, here is my guess, NY is at 37 now:

Added (8, the first 5 are musts, the next 3 are more borderline but will likely all get grabbed if left unprotected):

Gleyber Torres
Domingo Acevedo
Albert Abreu
Billy McKinney
Thairo Estrada

Nester Cortes
Anyelo Gomez
Stephen Tarpley

Traded/dropped (5):

Bryan Mitchell
Chasen Shreve
Caleb Smith
Garrett Cooper
Romine or Higashioka

[albo4lyfe]

I really wish that Cash would make another consolidation trade for a BUC. We cannot have Romine on the team next year. So, instead of losing guys to the Rule 5 for nothing, let's use them and upgrade the 25-man roster.

[philleotardo]

I really wish that Cash would make another consolidation trade for a BUC. We cannot have Romine on the team next year. So, instead of losing guys to the Rule 5 for nothing, let's use them and upgrade the 25-man roster.

Could use some depth at catcher in the minors, as well.

[Snatch Catch]

I really wish that Cash would make another consolidation trade for a BUC. We cannot have Romine on the team next year. So, instead of losing guys to the Rule 5 for nothing, let's use them and upgrade the 25-man roster.

I wouldn't be furious, but I personally want the consolidation trades to be for high-end and/or high-value potential like they've been doing.

[albo4lyfe]

Could use some depth at catcher in the minors, as well.

Absolutely. We're pretty barren in the minors as well. What happened to Miguel Flames? Looks like he flamed out. Too early? Saul Torres has been struggling, too. Sands converted but I'm sure he's got a while to go before he's ready defensively.

[Donnybaseball72]

Just DFA Higgy. There's an open 40 man spot.

[s3antana5757]

Lot of movement presumably still to come in the next 48 hours, here is my guess, NY is at 37 now:

Added (8, the first 5 are musts, the next 3 are more borderline but will likely all get grabbed if left unprotected):

Gleyber Torres
Domingo Acevedo
Albert Abreu
Billy McKinney
Thairo Estrada

Nester Cortes
Anyelo Gomez
Stephen Tarpley

Traded/dropped (5):

Bryan Mitchell
Chasen Shreve
Caleb Smith
Garrett Cooper
Romine or Higashioka

Would prefer to just drop both catchers and keep Cooper. The other guys can go.

[Donnybaseball72]

Would prefer to just drop both catchers and keep Cooper. The other guys can go.

Cooper is 26 and wasn't even on the Brewers 40 man roster when we acquired him. We have plenty of other 1B options. Let him go.

[mbn007]

Cooper is 26 and wasn't even on the Brewers 40 man roster when we acquired him. We have plenty of other 1B options. Let him go.

With Austin around, there is no real need for Cooper.

[Snatch Catch]

I think we're going to lose at least both Mesa and Cortes, and Mesa will be for good.

I looked it up but couldn't find an answer - is there a limit to how many players you can lose? I have a memory that there is a cap, but I can't find anything that says it's right.

[jon abbey]

No one is going to take Mike Ford, and then I am going to laugh.

[Snatch Catch]

Why do you think no one takes Ford? I mean I understand enjoying seeing angry/whiny definitive statements proven wrong, but from a baseball standpoint? Despite positional issues, there's enough there to potentially take a shot on - for a non-competitive team especially - IMO.

[jon abbey]

I don't think any team will think he is ready to hit at the big league level for an entire season, and I think it's a lot easier to stash a pitcher. I think we get a ton of pitchers taken (hopefully at least some returned later), but I'll be surprised if any position players (unless there's someone I'm forgetting) will get taken.

[philleotardo]

I don't think any team will think he is ready to hit at the big league level for an entire season, and I think it's a lot easier to stash a pitcher. I think we get a ton of pitchers taken (hopefully at least some returned later), but I'll be surprised if any position players (unless there's someone I'm forgetting) will get taken.

I think Avelino gets taken, but ultimately returned.

[Snatch Catch]

I think we're going to lose at least both Mesa and Cortes, and Mesa will be for good.

I looked it up but couldn't find an answer - is there a limit to how many players you can lose? I have a memory that there is a cap, but I can't find anything that says it's right.

Does anyone know if there's an answer to this question?

EDIT: I actually just found it. No limit to the amount of players a single org can lose.

[jeter62375]

Baseball America has Coshow as their #3 available player in the Rule V.

3. Cale Coshow, RHP, Yankees

The Yankees have an enviable stable of hard-throwing righthanders, and Coshow has touched 100 mph with his fastball. He couples the pitch with a slider that will flash 55-grade on the 20-to-80 scouting scale. He's big, strong guy at 6-foot-5, 270 plankounds, but his delivery is pretty clean too.

Here's a few more than mention as well:

Nestor Cortes, LHP, Yankees
Raynel Espinal, RHP, Yankees
Anyelo Gomez, RHP, Yankees
Jose Mesa Jr., RHP, Yankees
Stephen Tarpley, LHP, Yankees

[freebubba]

I don't think any team will think he is ready to hit at the big league level for an entire season, and I think it's a lot easier to stash a pitcher. I think we get a ton of pitchers taken (hopefully at least some returned later), but I'll be surprised if any position players (unless there's someone I'm forgetting) will get taken.

I understand this point of view. However, with the skills he showed in the high minors, there is absolutely no risk in a team taking him and bringing him to spring training and see if those skills transfers to the MLB level. With a small market non-competitive team, I see the odds as 50/50 he sticks. He is also competent with the glove and around the bag. I'll be surprised if he isn't taken.