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    Re: 2017 Trade Deadline Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t View Post
    The Yankees would have no problem finding a taker who is willing to pay all the money. His contract is very team friendly. The question is why should the Yankees trade him now. It's not like some promising prospects are ready to take over his job.
    Well, there is Hicks. They shouldn't have that much trouble finding another serviceable 4th OF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ppa79 View Post
    Neither of them are good.
    I believe Williams has the talent but has to stay healthy for a year. You are correct in that neither has lived up to their billing.

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    Any chance we can get Nova back? He has been the best pitcher in MLB since the trade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ppa79 View Post
    Cashman blew it in the offseason by not trading Gardner. He was quoted that other teams would take all of his salary for basically nothing in return. Now Gardner has been playing bad so the Yankees would have to kick in money and still get nothing in return.
    Do you a link for this? Not saying it isn't true, but I never saw anything alluding to that.

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    Eaton will be back eventually (presumably) so Ellsbury doesn't make sense for them. Gardner probably does though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jcarey View Post
    Eaton will be back eventually (presumably) so Ellsbury doesn't make sense for them. Gardner probably does though.
    Why doesn't Ellsbury make sense? They could use an upgrade from Michael Taylor.

    Next season: Harper, Ells, Eaton

    Use Ellsbury's hot start as much as possible. Gardner likely to go on a hot streak to get back to normalcy. Sell then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freebubba View Post
    Do you a link for this? Not saying it isn't true, but I never saw anything alluding to that.


    This is what I remember reading.


    http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/...ry_dumped.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClownPickle View Post
    Why doesn't Ellsbury make sense? They could use an upgrade from Michael Taylor.

    Next season: Harper, Ells, Eaton

    Use Ellsbury's hot start as much as possible. Gardner likely to go on a hot streak to get back to normalcy. Sell then.


    I think the Yankees are stuck with Ellsbury.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClownPickle View Post
    Why doesn't Ellsbury make sense? They could use an upgrade from Michael Taylor.

    Next season: Harper, Ells, Eaton

    Use Ellsbury's hot start as much as possible. Gardner likely to go on a hot streak to get back to normalcy. Sell then.
    Would you be interested if you're the Nationals?

    Robles is probably ready next year, no point in bringing on Ellsbury, especially if they want to save $$ to try and retain Harper (lol, how funny would it be if another team let a superstar walk but were like yeaaah we got Ellsbury tho?). Short-term solution is what they want for now if they're smart.

    Gardner makes sense because he can play CF this year and next until Eaton is ready, shift to LF until Robles is ready, and then be 4th OFer if Robles and Eaton are ready. If Robles doesn't pan out or Eaton never makes it back, you've got insurance and also an option for another year. Contract makes way more sense for them than Ellsbury's.


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    Eaton isn't a CFer, and Robles isn't even in AA.

    Gardner will always be a better idea for every team, however, the Yankees should be pushing Ells and be ready to eat whatever it takes.
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    Re: 2017 Trade Deadline Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ClownPickle View Post
    Eaton isn't a CFer, and Robles isn't even in AA.

    Gardner will always be a better idea for every team, however, the Yankees should be pushing Ells and be ready to eat whatever it takes.
    Horrible idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1936-1939JoeNLou View Post
    Any chance we can get Nova back? He has been the best pitcher in MLB since the trade.


    Lets not revisit the past. Let's look to the future. Instead of looking at possible trades let's look towards developing our most promising farmhands.


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    trading ellsbury is rather difficult without him having a very hot first half plus yankees eating half of the deal at least. he's developed a reputation for fragility and that never travels well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by awy View Post
    trading ellsbury is rather difficult without him having a very hot first half plus yankees eating half of the deal at least. he's developed a reputation for fragility and that never travels well.
    The amount we would likely have to eat even if he does would not be worth the trade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YankeePride1967 View Post
    The amount we would likely have to eat even if he does would not be worth the trade.
    it might become enticing come trade deadline time, if he's hitting .290/.350/.410

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    Quote Originally Posted by awy View Post
    it might become enticing come trade deadline time, if he's hitting .290/.350/.410
    Not a big fan of paying players to play for other teams but I would not pay more than half of his contract and that is pushing it.
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    Re: 2017 Trade Deadline Thread

    IMO, the idea of trading either Ells or Gardner is interchangeable. I'd be fine if they could find a deal for Gardner and replace him instead. It might be easier to find a taker, and Ellsbury is likely to provide better offense anyway, even if his salary does remain an albatross. I just don't feel this team is going to eat that much money.
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    They need to trade both. Anything saved on Ells deal is a plus considering you can replace with a player making league minimum.
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    Re: 2017 Trade Deadline Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ClownPickle View Post
    They need to trade both. Anything saved on Ells deal is a plus considering you can replace with a player making league minimum.
    And anything saved on Ells comes off the payroll for luxury tax purposes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClownPickle View Post
    Eaton isn't a CFer, and Robles isn't even in AA.

    Gardner will always be a better idea for every team, however, the Yankees should be pushing Ells and be ready to eat whatever it takes.
    Eaton was playing CF, which is all that matters. If they want to move him to LF, that's fine, Gardner can play CF.

    Robles still has an ETA of 2018, but that also doesn't matter because they'd have the option on Gardner for 2019 if they wanted it.

    In other words, Gardner lines up with the timing for the Nationals really well and doesn't handcuff them. Team-friendly deal, team option with paltry buyout.

    No way the Nats take on significant salary that could possibly affect chances of retaining Harper. You'd have to eat way too much Ellsbury money. I'm fine with shopping him, but Washington is not the team.


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    Re: 2017 Trade Deadline Thread

    ^ also, Werth comes off their payroll after this season, so Gardner's deal works in perfectly. Gardner and $5-6M for a few lotto ticket IFA signings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEBOSS84 View Post
    ^ also, Werth comes off their payroll after this season, so Gardner's deal works in perfectly. Gardner and $5-6M for a few lotto ticket IFA signings.
    That's the correct ask on returns as well. Young, high risk/reward guys years away from Rule 5 eligibility.

    Could also throw in Greene or Cessa as bullpen pieces to clear out some space. They can also have Mitchell in case Zimmerman gets injured.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jcarey View Post
    Eaton was playing CF, which is all that matters. If they want to move him to LF, that's fine, Gardner can play CF.

    Robles still has an ETA of 2018, but that also doesn't matter because they'd have the option on Gardner for 2019 if they wanted it.

    In other words, Gardner lines up with the timing for the Nationals really well and doesn't handcuff them. Team-friendly deal, team option with paltry buyout.

    No way the Nats take on significant salary that could possibly affect chances of retaining Harper. You'd have to eat way too much Ellsbury money. I'm fine with shopping him, but Washington is not the team.
    Like I said, Gardner will ALWAYS make more sense for EVERY team. However, we still push Ells w/ significant sums on money until someone bites.

    Eaton was playing CF. However, it DOES matter because he's a VERY bad one. He'd make a lot more sense at the corner. You can certainly market Gardner as a CFer but the Yankees have historically questioned his ability to play there, whereas Ellsbury is more proven in that regard.

    Play on Rizzo's prospect hugging. You can have Gardner for X or Ellsbury for nothing. Make their salaries match. The goal at the end of the season should be they are BOTH not on this team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by THEBOSS84 View Post
    ^ also, Werth comes off their payroll after this season, so Gardner's deal works in perfectly. Gardner and $5-6M for a few lotto ticket IFA signings.
    I might be reading this incorrectly, but you have us paying some of Gardner's salary?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NerfBall55 View Post
    I might be reading this incorrectly, but you have us paying some of Gardner's salary?
    Yeah. That's how you remove a 33 year old player that you no longer need from your roster.

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