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  1. #8726

    Re: 2017 Official Regular Season Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronxirish View Post
    Its a complete joke that people blame coaches for player struggles. Laughable.

    If you were paying attention (and it's clear you haven't), you'd understand that the primary responsibility of a pitching coach is to identify and correct flaws in a pitcher's mechanics to ensure optimal performance.

    Tanaka, Betances, and Chapman have all struggled worse than they ever have in their careers this year, and not due to injury or lost velocity - all under Rothschild's watch.

    If a pitching coach is not fulfilling his primary responsibility, then yes, he's going to take some of the blame.

    Still laughing?
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  2. #8727

    Re: 2017 Official Regular Season Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronxirish View Post
    Its a complete joke that people blame coaches for player struggles. Laughable.


    If pitching and hitting coaches can't help players out of slumps why even have them?

  3. #8728

    Re: 2017 Official Regular Season Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Zimmers' Helmet View Post
    If you were paying attention (and it's clear you haven't), you'd understand that the primary responsibility of a pitching coach is to identify and correct flaws in a pitcher's mechanics to ensure optimal performance.

    Tanaka, Betances, and Chapman have all struggled worse than they ever have in their careers this year, and not due to injury or lost velocity - all under Rothschild's watch.

    If a pitching coach is not fulfilling his primary responsibility, then yes, he's going to take some of the blame.

    Still laughing?
    I wouldn't say Betance's struggled

    He actually has a lower ERA, higher k rate and higher GB rate than last year. It's his walks that are up. But he's still non-arguably a top shelf reliever

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    Re: 2017 Official Regular Season Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Zimmers' Helmet View Post
    If you were paying attention (and it's clear you haven't), you'd understand that the primary responsibility of a pitching coach is to identify and correct flaws in a pitcher's mechanics to ensure optimal performance.

    Tanaka, Betances, and Chapman have all struggled worse than they ever have in their careers this year, and not due to injury or lost velocity - all under Rothschild's watch.

    If a pitching coach is not fulfilling his primary responsibility, then yes, he's going to take some of the blame.

    Still laughing?
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  5. #8730

    Re: 2017 Official Regular Season Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by JudgementDay1123 View Post
    I wouldn't say Betance's struggled

    He actually has a lower ERA, higher k rate and higher GB rate than last year. It's his walks that are up. But he's still non-arguably a top shelf reliever
    Betances has struggled with his control and command all season long - he especially struggled badly thoughout June and July:

    http://www.espn.com/mlb/player/split...ellin-betances
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  6. #8731

    Re: 2017 Official Regular Season Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Zimmers' Helmet View Post
    If you were paying attention (and it's clear you haven't), you'd understand that the primary responsibility of a pitching coach is to identify and correct flaws in a pitcher's mechanics to ensure optimal performance.

    Tanaka, Betances, and Chapman have all struggled worse than they ever have in their careers this year, and not due to injury or lost velocity - all under Rothschild's watch.

    If a pitching coach is not fulfilling his primary responsibility, then yes, he's going to take some of the blame.

    Still laughing?
    Hysterically. You are privy to the work he's done with those pitchers? How on earth do you know he's not addressing the issues and they simply haven't been able to execute? You have no idea. Does Rothschild get the credit for Severino emerging as an ace? For sabathia becoming a solid 3 starter at his age? Does he get credit for Chad Green's excellence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronxirish View Post
    Its a complete joke that people blame coaches for player struggles. Laughable.
    Yet Sanchez says lunch with Arod and J-Lo helped him to focus and turn things around recently.

    Maybe he should have dragged Judge along.

  8. #8733

    Re: 2017 Official Regular Season Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Zimmers' Helmet View Post
    Betances has struggled with his control and command all season long - he especially struggled badly thoughout June and July:

    http://www.espn.com/mlb/player/split...ellin-betances
    Okay, but he hasn't objectively struggled as Tanaka and Chapman have

    Tanak's ERA is near 5 and Chapman's is near 4. Betance's is near 2

  9. #8734

    Re: 2017 Official Regular Season Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronxirish View Post
    Hysterically. You are privy to the work he's done with those pitchers? How on earth do you know he's not addressing the issues and they simply haven't been able to execute? You have no idea. Does Rothschild get the credit for Severino emerging as an ace? For sabathia becoming a solid 3 starter at his age? Does he get credit for Chad Green's excellence?
    Are you? Where are the results, because that's all that really matters.

    And no, he gets no credit for Severino. He couldn't straighten out Severino for 2 years - to the point where many were calling for him to be converted into a reliever. It was the 4 weeks he worked with Pedro Martinez this past winter that straightened out Severino.

    Far as CC goes, Andy Pettitte had had a greater influence on CC's transformation from power to finesse pitcher than anyone else.

    All of the points above are common knowledge to anyone who closely follows this team.

    So much for your all-knowing attitude, huh?
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    Re: 2017 Official Regular Season Thread

    Headley back at third base tonight. It's probably a good idea to keep him connected just in case Bird comes back and starts raking, because there's no way Headley gets benched in favor of Frazier.
    Let the kids play.

  11. #8736

    Re: 2017 Official Regular Season Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by hardrain View Post
    This response is pure poetry
    Well, thanks but goddamn, some people refuse to see the obvious even when it stares them right in the face.

    That in itself is tolerable, but not when they do so while mocking those of us who do see the obvious...
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  12. #8737

    Re: 2017 Official Regular Season Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Zimmers' Helmet View Post
    Are you? Where are the results, because that's all that really matters.

    And no, he gets no credit for Severino. He couldn't straighten out Severino for 2 years - to the point where many were calling for him to be converted into a reliever. It was the 4 weeks he worked with Pedro Martinez this past winter that straightened out Severino.

    Far as CC goes, Andy Pettitte had had a greater influence on CC's transformation from power to finesse pitcher than anyone else.

    All of the points above are common knowledge to anyone who closely follows this team.

    So much for your all-knowing attitude, huh?
    Hahahaha perfect. One Severino didn't have two bad years. Two you prove my point. The coach is to blame when Severino had a bad year and gets no credit when he has a good one. You can't make this stuff up.

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