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    https://morningconsult.com/2019/07/0...roviders-stay/

    Though the dividing line between Democratic presidential candidates on “Medicare for All” concerns the elimination of the private insurance market, new Morning Consult data suggests that anxiety among voters may be misplaced fear about losing their providers rather than their private plans.

    According to a Morning Consult/Politico survey conducted after the first Democratic presidential primary debates, support among voters for Medicare for All falls to 46 percent from 53 percent when respondents are told the government-run health system would diminish the role of private insurers — but rises back to 55 percent when voters learn that losing their private plans would still allow them to keep their preferred doctors and hospitals.
    Previous Morning Consult polling has also indicated Americans who are against Medicare for All on the grounds that it would reduce the role of insurance companies may be inadvertently conflating their payers and providers. Among adults who said they opposed the system, 62 percent said they are more likely to support the plan if they could keep their doctors and hospitals.
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    Is there truth to what Senator Benet said the other night about how if every hospital had to take Medicare reimbursement rates for every patient they wouldn't be able to stay open? Is that an overhead problem, or a payroll problem, malpractice insurance problem, or a true M4A problem?

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    I think, if it happens, it will have a lot to do with how he misrepresents the issues. He's coming at the Ds with a full load of FUD. The more material he has to work with, the harder it is to overcome that. I don't know if that qualifies as "on the issues", I'd say not, considering everything he will say will be a lie.

    Obama lost the Ds a lot of credibility with the ACA. People may like it now, but they still remember the broken promise about if they like their health care, they can keep it, which was quickly disproven. In my case, the plan I had was cancelled the month ACA went into effect.
    How he misrepresents the issues, and - even more - who believes him. The actual positions of the Democratic candidate will be irrelevant, because he’ll misrepresent them the same way no matter how moderate they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RhodyYanksFan View Post
    Is there truth to what Senator Benet said the other night about how if every hospital had to take Medicare reimbursement rates for every patient they wouldn't be able to stay open? Is that an overhead problem, or a payroll problem, malpractice insurance problem, or a true M4A problem?
    That's apples and oranges. The entire system would change. Negotiated rates would change. Administrative costs would change. The cost of drugs would change. Insurance company profit would no longer be in the mix. Most hospitals have no idea what they're fees or markups actually are. Pretending like the M4A plans would just be tossing aside private insurance and continuing on with medicare in it's current form is disingenuous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara View Post
    That's apples and oranges. The entire system would change. Negotiated rates would change.
    Yes. They would rise drastically. Medicare underpayments are currently offset by insurance overpayments. That would go away under M4A. The advantage Medicare patients currently receive will be gone.
    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara
    Administrative costs would change.
    Yes. They will rise drastically. There's no way the government will be more efficient than the insurance companies are. The paperwork process at the provider/hospital level will double.
    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara
    The cost of drugs would change.
    I doubt it. If the government tried to limit what pharmaceutical companies can charge, pharma will simply stop producing medications that are no longer profitable. So, cost to the patient stays constant (or rises) or the supply diminishes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara
    Insurance company profit would no longer be in the mix.
    True, but additional government bureaucracy would take its place.
    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara
    Most hospitals have no idea what they're fees or markups actually are.
    Here, I fully agree with you. That's because NOTHING in a hospital has a price tag. The same procedure has 114 different costs, based on which insurance company is footing the bill. I go to the barber, and there's a sign on the wall telling me what a haircut costs. I go to the doctor for a simple test or a shot or something along those lines, and no one can tell me what it costs, and who's going to pay how much of that cost.
    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara
    Pretending like the M4A plans would just be tossing aside private insurance and continuing on with medicare in it's current form is disingenuous.
    Pretending that Medicare, as we know it today, would remain unchanged if we extended its benefits to everyone is also disingenuous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maynerd View Post
    Yes. They would rise drastically. Medicare underpayments are currently offset by insurance overpayments. That would go away under M4A. The advantage Medicare patients currently receive will be gone.Yes. They will rise drastically. There's no way the government will be more efficient than the insurance companies are. The paperwork process at the provider/hospital level will double.I doubt it. If the government tried to limit what pharmaceutical companies can charge, pharma will simply stop producing medications that are no longer profitable. So, cost to the patient stays constant (or rises) or the supply diminishes.True, but additional government bureaucracy would take its place.Here, I fully agree with you. That's because NOTHING in a hospital has a price tag. The same procedure has 114 different costs, based on which insurance company is footing the bill. I go to the barber, and there's a sign on the wall telling me what a haircut costs. I go to the doctor for a simple test or a shot or something along those lines, and no one can tell me what it costs, and who's going to pay how much of that cost.Pretending that Medicare, as we know it today, would remain unchanged if we extended its benefits to everyone is also disingenuous.

    I'm not going to bother with most of that because it's just your opinion vs my opinion. but that last line? Who is pretending that medicare as we know it would remain unchanged? Of course it would change.
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    There's no way the government will be more efficient than the insurance companies are.
    Why do you say this? No private pension system in the USA is run with lower administrative over head than Social Security.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara View Post
    I'm not going to bother with most of that because it's just your opinion vs my opinion. but that last line? Who is pretending that medicare as we know it would remain unchanged? Of course it would change.
    Then why is it being touted as Medicare for All? It's not. It's Whatever-the-government-decides-to-modify-Medicare-into for all.
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    Why do you say this? No private pension system in the USA is run with lower administrative over head than Social Security.
    Because I've worked in, for, or have been contracted to the federal government for most of the last 45 years. They're not at all good at holding costs down. Social Security is a horrible comp to pension systems. They don't invest anything. They don't manage any funds. They receive money from workers, and pay money to to retirees on a set scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maynerd View Post
    Then why is it being touted as Medicare for All? It's not. It's Whatever-the-government-decides-to-modify-Medicare-into for all.Because I've worked in, for, or have been contracted to the federal government for most of the last 45 years. They're not at all good at holding costs down. Social Security is a horrible comp to pension systems. They don't invest anything. They don't manage any funds. They receive money from workers, and pay money to to retirees on a set scale.
    Medicare currently spends around 2% on admin and overhead, private insurance 12-18%. In a M4A system that 2% would likely rise but not nearly to the level of private insurance simply because of a great amount of overhead that is not needed in M4A system that is required in for profit insurance model.


    But the reality is any system is likely to be some hybrid with M4A providing a floor plus catastrophic care and supplemental private insurance covering the rest.


    And SS is actually a very good comp to private pension systems.
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    As a paramedic/RN in year 36 I must say over 99% of my calls over the years have been to poor to lower middle class homes and patients. Very very seldom do we get calls to upper middle class and wealthy homes and patients.
    It's almost as if access to preventative care and less stress over money are good for one's health. Who'd have thought?

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    It's almost as if access to preventative care and less stress over money are good for one's health. Who'd have thought?
    Preventative care? That’s socialism!

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    Preventative care? That’s socialism!

    Unless you’re rich and then it’s just capitalism repaying you for being smart!
    Yes we should be a true ‘Murican and wait until it is too late and go to the ER.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YankeePride1967 View Post
    Yes we should be a true ‘Murican and wait until it is too late and go to the ER.
    Hopefully, you can spread your illness to a few others before you go as well.
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    https://beta.washingtonpost.com/heal...outputType=amp

    Trump orders changes in treatment of kidney disease and transplants

    All I have to say is thank God I got my transplant already before this heartless person got his hands on it. To anyone now on dialysis, my heart goes out to you. One main goal is to transition from in center dialysis where trained nurses care for you to home dialysis (which many comfortable enough to do it do but many like me are not). If you are on Medicare it is mandatory. So these poor people already battling a terminal illness will now have to place these big needles into their own body and do it themselves (they are trained but again the comfort level. Some are petrified of needles when others do it. Now they expect them to do it themselves?) fits right in with the right’s money over people philosophy.

    Will say though I do like the other art about encouraging prevention and treatment in early stages. That part is positive
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    Quote Originally Posted by YankeePride1967 View Post
    To anyone now on dialysis, my heart goes out to you.
    Don't, I've been told that the kidney is now part of the heart.

    If you are on Medicare it is mandatory.
    Isn't Medicare largely in charge of kidney treatment?

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    Don't, I've been told that the kidney is now part of the heart.



    Isn't Medicare largely in charge of kidney treatment?
    Yes and to correct myself, while it order doesn’t make home dialysis mandatory the changes in reimbursement levels may chase a good number of the in center dialysis centers out of business
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    https://www.latimes.com/business/sto...&ICID=ref_fark


    Excellent article on the inefficiency of the private health care market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    https://www.latimes.com/business/sto...&ICID=ref_fark


    Excellent article on the inefficiency of the private health care market.
    Working for one of the major insurers anyone who thinks the private companies are more efficient need to stop repeating fox talking points
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    https://www.businessinsider.com/most...for-all-2019-8
    Over 59% of respondents who receive health insurance through their employer said in a new INSIDER poll they would be fine if that plan changed, as long as it meant no change in coverage.
    INSIDER asked over 1,100 respondents their feelings about their health insurance and whether they would be open to changing it. Specifically, we asked: "Which of the following best describes how you feel about your health insurance coverage," and respondents were asked to indicate the type of plan they had — employer-sponsored, government or direct — and how they felt about it. The options given were: "I love my plan," "I'd be fine if it changed as long as I have coverage," and "I don't like the plan."
    I think this is important. The framing of the question in all these polls varies a lot. The idea that people love their private insurance carrier has always seemed preposterous to me. People love their coverage.
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