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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    It's not the most favorable map for taking back the Senate. I mean it could happen but doesn't seem likely.
    D's would have to defend Doug Jones in Alabama
    Flip McSally AZ, Gardner- CO (even though Colorado is becoming more blue I think it's still purple and I think he's popular) and Collins in Maine based on her Kavanaugh issues.


    Tom Tillis NC might be the only other realistic R flip but seem like a long shot.


    So yeah unless things change a lot between now and Nov 2020 not expecting the Ds to take the Senate.
    McSally is going to lose. Again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    It's not the most favorable map for taking back the Senate. I mean it could happen but doesn't seem likely.
    D's would have to defend Doug Jones in Alabama
    Flip McSally AZ, Gardner- CO (even though Colorado is becoming more blue I think it's still purple and I think he's popular) and Collins in Maine based on her Kavanaugh issues.


    Tom Tillis NC might be the only other realistic R flip but seem like a long shot.


    So yeah unless things change a lot between now and Nov 2020 not expecting the Ds to take the Senate.
    While far from a sure thing, I think it's possible. Those down ballot candidates are going to benefit a lot if there is a strong dem candidate at the top.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara View Post
    While far from a sure thing, I think it's possible. Those down ballot candidates are going to benefit a lot if there is a strong dem candidate at the top.
    Sure but there are only so many R senators in Purple areas running. To flip some of the strong R areas you'll need something really strange either on the national level (like economy tanks under trump) or local level (like Roy Moore factor). So unless there are some retirements where the R who wins the primary has a ton of warts the Ds will fighting a lot of head winds.


    By the same token Doug Jones looks like the only really strong possibility of R pick up right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara View Post
    Already given up on retaking the senate? smdh.
    There's a path to 50-51 but that still won't make it so we pass a Green New Deal or Medicare for all. You can only do so much through reconciliation.

    Of course we can get rid of the filibuster, but I'll believe that when I see it, despite what most of them are saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RhodyYanksFan View Post
    There's a path to 50-51 but that still won't make it so we pass a Green New Deal or Medicare for all. You can only do so much through reconciliation.

    Of course we can get rid of the filibuster, but I'll believe that when I see it, despite what most of them are saying.

    The people that are saying get rid of the filibuster are not the people that can get rid of the filibuster. Trump says it all the time. The Senate ignores him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara View Post
    The people that are saying get rid of the filibuster are not the people that can get rid of the filibuster. Trump says it all the time. The Senate ignores him.
    The Republicans especially donít want to get rid of the filibuster. If the Senate does flip, the Democrats would use their simple majority to pass lots of new programs, and the Republicans know itís a lot harder to get rid of programs once theyíve been established.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    The Republicans especially donít want to get rid of the filibuster. If the Senate does flip, the Democrats would use their simple majority to pass lots of new programs, and the Republicans know itís a lot harder to get rid of programs once theyíve been established.
    Wait you mean despite having the House, Senate and President they weren't able to repeal and replace the ACA?
    Baseball is life;
    the rest is just details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    The Republicans especially donít want to get rid of the filibuster. If the Senate does flip, the Democrats would use their simple majority to pass lots of new programs, and the Republicans know itís a lot harder to get rid of programs once theyíve been established.
    I secretly believe that that if the Dems take Congress and the WH they'll kill the filibuster so fast your head will spin.
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    I was unfortunate enough to be standing outside the Old Senate Chamber watching VP Joe Biden as he swore Heidi Heitkamp in, and said to her: "Spread your legs, you're going to be frisked." Everyone watching just looked at each other, like, jfc, what is with this guy
    2012. Not some comment dug up from long ago. 2012. He's a creep. I don't want him anywhere near the nomination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara View Post
    2012. Not some comment dug up from long ago. 2012. He's a creep. I don't want him anywhere near the nomination.
    No and there is the whole Anita Hill thing as well. Enough with centrist old white men.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara View Post
    2012. Not some comment dug up from long ago. 2012. He's a creep. I don't want him anywhere near the nomination.
    What the actual ****.
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    Brilliant. That was a pretty common idea when the vaccine first came out in the mid-90s. My kid was little then and we knew people that had "chicken pox parties" when one kid caught it. 20+ years later you would think parents would be more informed.
    My mom made me sleepover my friends house when he had it. I missed my first reconciliation cause of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    Tom Tillis NC might be the only other realistic R flip but seem like a long shot.
    Be of good cheer. As someone who lived in NC for 6 years and still has ties there, T(h)om Tillis is in trouble. His hysterical public flip-flop on the "emergency declaration" shows it.

    If Dems really want to bring the hammer down, get Gov. Roy Cooper to run against Tillis. He'd mop the floor with Tillis. Not sure he'd be interested as he will likely win re-election in 2020 as governor but governors are 2-term-limited in NC so he might be tempted? Cooper beat incumbent guv "Bathroom Pat" McCrory in 2016 while Trump was winning the state and WH so don't underestimate what he could do against T(h)om, especially with a winning Dem atop the presidential ticket.

    Cooper would not be a darling of "purity" liberals as he is part of the dying breed of "center-right" Democrats. Dare I say "Blue Dog" anymore? But I am of the old-fashioned view that congressional majorities matter and I would rather have Cooper than a Repub in that seat. Control the committees!

    Even if Cooper sticks to running for governor though, I think T(h)om is very beatable. Again, you don't pen a nationally publicized Op-Ed about how you're going to oppose the president on principles and then go running back to the president unless you're scared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HelloNewman View Post
    Be of good cheer. As someone who lived in NC for 6 years and still has ties there, T(h)om Tillis is in trouble. His hysterical public flip-flop on the "emergency declaration" shows it.

    If Dems really want to bring the hammer down, get Gov. Roy Cooper to run against Tillis. He'd mop the floor with Tillis. Not sure he'd be interested as he will likely win re-election in 2020 as governor but governors are 2-term-limited in NC so he might be tempted? Cooper beat incumbent guv "Bathroom Pat" McCrory in 2016 while Trump was winning the state and WH so don't underestimate what he could do against T(h)om, especially with a winning Dem atop the presidential ticket.

    Cooper would not be a darling of "purity" liberals as he is part of the dying breed of "center-right" Democrats. Dare I say "Blue Dog" anymore? But I am of the old-fashioned view that congressional majorities matter and I would rather have Cooper than a Repub in that seat. Control the committees!

    Even if Cooper sticks to running for governor though, I think T(h)om is very beatable. Again, you don't pen a nationally publicized Op-Ed about how you're going to oppose the president on principles and then go running back to the president unless you're scared.
    I agree with you. When the best the Republican Party has to offer is Susan Collins, I just want the Democrats to get control one way or the other. If that means another Joe Manchin, OK.

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    Re: Non-Presidential News Stories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    I agree with you. When the best the Republican Party has to offer is Susan Collins, I just want the Democrats to get control one way or the other. If that means another Joe Manchin, OK.
    Exactly. I think the Dems can flip ME, NC, AZ (depending on who they get to run) and CO while losing Doug Jones (unless Roy Moore runs again). We probably could have flipped TX too but Beto decided to run for President instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RhodyYanksFan View Post
    Exactly. I think the Dems can flip ME, NC, AZ (depending on who they get to run) and CO while losing Doug Jones (unless Roy Moore runs again). We probably could have flipped TX too but Beto decided to run for President instead.
    And John Hickenlooper could probably have flipped Cory Gardner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    I agree with you. When the best the Republican Party has to offer is Susan Collins, I just want the Democrats to get control one way or the other. If that means another Joe Manchin, OK.
    I'd rate Murkowski better than Collins but I hear you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HelloNewman View Post
    I'd rate Murkowski better than Collins but I hear you.
    Murkowski is more conservative, but nobodyís lapdog. Well, Alaskan oil interests, but nobody in the GOP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RhodyYanksFan View Post
    Exactly. I think the Dems can flip ME, NC, AZ (depending on who they get to run) and CO while losing Doug Jones (unless Roy Moore runs again). We probably could have flipped TX too but Beto decided to run for President instead.
    Mark Kelly is running here. As I said yesterday, McSally is going to lose. Again.

    Unfortunately Kelly is a lot like Sinema in that he's no progressive, but majorities matter.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/static....undraiser.html

    EXXON, BIG PHARMA, AND WALL STREET LOBBYISTS TO HOST FUNDRAISER FOR MARK KELLY IN WASHINGTON

    ARIZONA SENATE CANDIDATE Mark Kelly will appear later this month at a high-dollar fundraiser in Washington, D.C. hosted by one of the cityís top corporate lobbying firms. The K Street firm represents major fossil fuel companies, including Exxon Mobil and Chevron; Wall Street banks such as JPMorgan Chase; defense industry giant Lockheed Martin; and the lobby group PhRMA.
    Though this is really gross, I will hold my progressive nose and campaign for him just as I did for Sinema. He may face a primary challenge from Rep. Ruben Gallego, but I think Kelly has the upper hand there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RhodyYanksFan View Post
    Exactly. I think the Dems can flip ME, NC, AZ (depending on who they get to run) and CO while losing Doug Jones (unless Roy Moore runs again). We probably could have flipped TX too but Beto decided to run for President instead.
    Mostly agree but disagree with the conventional wisdom that Cornyn would have been a sitting duck for Beto. Less fundraising for O'Rourke in 2020 plus Trump at top of the ticket in deep red Texas in 2020. Beto's moment in Texas has passed. Just IMO but think he could win as a presidential candidate. WAY too early to talk about him in those terms though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    Murkowski is more conservative, but nobodyís lapdog. Well, Alaskan oil interests, but nobody in the GOP.
    When does Alaska's permafrost problem become as important as the oil interests? I would assume that she's pushing back on Trump's climate change snub but I really don't know.
    Let the kids play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bub View Post
    When does Alaska's permafrost problem become as important as the oil interests? I would assume that she's pushing back on Trump's climate change snub but I really don't know.
    My first reaction was "when permafrost makes campaign donations." But, in fact, Murkowski also has extremely strong support among Alaska's indigenous communities, and she is pushing for action on climate change. https://thehill.com/policy/energy-en...pacting-alaska

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    Will Dammann @WillDammann

    All the Dem candidates as Michael Scott is the most accurate thing I have ever seen.

    https://twitter.com/WillDammann/stat...87098697588738
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara View Post
    So good.

    Thatís originally from the Washington Free Beacon. I feel dirty for laughing so hard.

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    So good.
    That is exceptional. The Bernie and Kamala ones had me cackling.
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