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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    Democrats aren't remotely socialist. They are in bed with the capitalist as much as the republicans. They just typically want stronger regulations and higher taxes to you know actually make sure the corporations don't f-over the people too badly and actually pay for the programs most of Americans want.


    But that aside can you tell what exactly it is about socialism that is immoral and how it is that capitalism fosters morality? Because quite frankly I don't see either system a moral or immoral rather just different systems to divide the pot of assets.
    Socialism is nothing but legalized theft. Using the state to redistribute wealth that was legally earned is straight up theft--theft that was voted on, but still theft. Its a system built on envy and hate for successful people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jburke View Post
    Socialism is nothing but legalized theft. Using the state to redistribute wealth that was legally earned is straight up theft--theft that was voted on, but still theft. Its a system built on envy and hate for successful people.
    "Legally earned" has exactly the same basis as "legally taxed."

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    Page 666. ahhhhhh
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlw1980 View Post
    Nope. Show me one that's not horrible.




    Sam Harris is a raging misogynist, so there's no reason to love him.
    How??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jburke View Post
    Socialism is nothing but legalized theft. Using the state to redistribute wealth that was legally earned is straight up theft--theft that was voted on, but still theft. Its a system built on envy and hate for successful people.
    We have almost no common ground if you think robber barroning is hard earned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightingirish595 View Post
    How??
    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Harris
    I think it may have to do with my person slant as an author, being very critical of bad ideas. This can sound very angry to people...People just donít like to have their ideas criticized. Thereís something about that critical posture that is to some degree instrinsically male and more attractive to guys than to women,Ē he said. ďThe atheist variable just has this Ė it doesnít obviously have this nurturing, coherence-building extra estrogen vibe that you would want by default if you wanted to attract as many women as men.
    Women just aren't critical thinkers, according to this neanderthal.

    This is a good explanation of the sexism inherent in the modern atheist community:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/...-movement/amp/
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlw1980 View Post
    Women just aren't critical thinkers, according to this neanderthal.

    This is a good explanation of the sexism inherent in the modern atheist community:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/...-movement/amp/
    This isn’t misogynist at all
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    Iíve always disliked the smug, superior, smarter-than-thou brand of atheism. I think itís intellectually weak to think thereís only one valid mode of knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    Iíve always disliked the smug, superior, smarter-than-thou brand of atheism. I think itís intellectually weak to think thereís only one valid mode of knowledge.
    What does that even mean
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightingirish595 View Post
    What does that even mean
    Science is one way of knowing. Faith is another. There are others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    Science is one way of knowing. Faith is another. There are others.
    Faith is not knowledge. When you have evidence, faith isnít needed
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightingirish595 View Post
    Faith is not knowledge. When you have evidence, faith isnít needed
    Your first statement is incorrect. It in unprovable, but that doesnít mean itís not knowledge. It certainly doesnít mean it isnít truth, because many truths are not provable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    Your first statement is incorrect. It in unprovable, but that doesnít mean itís not knowledge. It certainly doesnít mean it isnít truth, because many truths are not provable.
    So how is faith knowledge
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightingirish595 View Post
    So how is faith knowledge
    Because...you know things that canít be proven.

    My atheism is a belief, not a provable fact. It is a matter of faith, but is formed by and in turn forms my understanding of the world and of truth. I know it to be true, and it helps me know what is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    Because...you know things that canít be proven.

    My atheism is a belief, not a provable fact. It is a matter of faith, but is formed by and in turn forms my understanding of the world and of truth. I know it to be true, and it helps me know what is true.
    Sounds circular to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightingirish595 View Post
    Sounds circular to me.
    Epistemology is hard.

    If you mean itís circular that understanding shapes belief and beilief shapes understanding, yes. Just as experience shapes memory and memory shapes experience. Truth, knowledge,band understanding all form those sorts of feedback loops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    Epistemology is hard.
    Only if you make it hard
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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    Your first statement is incorrect. It in unprovable, but that doesnít mean itís not knowledge. It certainly doesnít mean it isnít truth, because many truths are not provable.
    Faith is accepting without proof. Thatís not knowledge.

    It doesnít mean itís wrong but faith and knowledge are not synonymous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    Faith is accepting without proof. Thatís not knowledge.

    It doesnít mean itís wrong but faith and knowledge are not synonymous.
    Only if you assume that experience is not proof. Without external, verifiable, testable proof, perhaps, but we know lots of things without that sort of proof.

    I didnít say that faith and knowledge are synonymous, I said faith is a way of knowing.

    If you like, truth may be a better word than knowledge, but I donít think it changes the discusiůn much.

    Edit: I know lots of things without being able to prove them. I know what I like and donít like, and that covers vast quantities of knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightingirish595 View Post
    This isnít misogynist at all
    Thanks.

    Just as white people don't get to decide what is or isn't racist, men don't get to decide what is or isn't misogynistic. Period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlw1980 View Post
    Thanks.

    Just as white people don't get to decide what is or isn't racist, men don't get to decide what is or isn't misogynistic. Period.
    We donít get to decide what you think is misogynistic. Thatís certainly true.

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    nurturing, coherence-building extra estrogen vibe
    OMG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlw1980 View Post
    Thanks.

    Just as white people don't get to decide what is or isn't racist, men don't get to decide what is or isn't misogynistic. Period.
    Is sounds like you have taken something he has said and flipped it into a gross interpretation of what he said to discredit him. He never said women canít be critical thinkers. He never came close. Now Iím pretty sure that research shows women are not as interested or involved in STEM or philosophy
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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    "Legally earned" has exactly the same basis as "legally taxed."
    Nah. All involuntary taxes are theft.
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    Hey look, another day and another instance of a Trump appointee lying on their disclosures.

    https://www.citizensforethics.org/le...into-mulvaney/

    CREW filed a complaint against the Director of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) Mick Mulvaney requesting an investigation to determine whether he knowingly misled the Senate Budget Committee during his confirmation process and failed to pay his companyís debts.

    During his January 2017 confirmation hearings, Mulvaney asserted to the Senate that the pending foreclosure of one of his investments was ďuncontested.Ē This turned out not to be the case. Fonville & Co., a lender in the investment, filed a claim in the foreclosure proceeding seeking $2.565 million for breach of contract three days before Mulvaney would be confirmed. Mulvaney failed to update his nomination papers to the Senate following this development.

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