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    It's literally child abduction.



    Yes, they are POC.
    When did Caucasians become POC. Are Sicilians and other darker Italians from southern Italy POC? Greeks? Turks? Syrians Lebanese? Palestinians? Jews? Iraqis?

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    When did Caucasians become POC. Are Sicilians and other darker Italians from southern Italy POC? Greeks? Turks? Syrians Lebanese? Palestinians? Jews? Iraqis?
    Yes, caucasians refers to a specific race anthropologically, but here in America it is regularly used to refer to “white people,” primarily of European descent. If you write in your race as “caucasian” on the US Census, they classify you under “White (non-Hispanic).” The last US Census defined “white” as being those of European, North African and Middle Eastern descent, but the next one in 2020 has a separate category for North African and Middle Eastern descent.

    In the contemporary United States, essentially anyone of European descent is considered White. However, many of the non-European ethnic groups classified as White by the U.S. Census, such as Arab Americans, Jewish Americans, and Hispanics or Latinos may not identify as, and may not be perceived to be, White.

    The definition of White has changed significantly over the course of American history. Among Europeans, those not considered White at some point in American history include Italians, Greeks, Spaniards, Irish, Swedes, Finns, and Russians. Early on in the United States, membership in the white race was generally limited to those of British, Germanic, or Nordic ancestry.

    David R. Roediger argues that the construction of the white race in the United States was an effort to mentally distance slave owners from slaves. The process of officially being defined as white by law often came about in court disputes over pursuit of citizenship.
    But to answer your question specifically about Indians and whether they should be classified as caucasian in America, the Supreme Court previously ruled in 1923 in the case of US vs Bhagat Singh Third that people of Indian descent are not white men, so they aren’t eligible for citizenship. They ruled this way because “the average man knows perfectly well that there are unmistakable and profound differences” between white people and and Indian people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Marsh View Post
    When did Caucasians become POC. Are Sicilians and other darker Italians from southern Italy POC? Greeks? Turks? Syrians Lebanese? Palestinians? Jews? Iraqis?
    I think "people of color" is and infelicitous (though convenient) term, because it makes the issue one of skin tone, which is not necessarily the case. India is a huge country, with a population far more diverse than ours, or just about any other I can think of. Their skin color covers the entire range from very light to very dark. However, I wouldn't call any of them "Caucasians."

    Nikki Haley (née Nimrata Randhawa) comes from a Punjabi Sikh family. Sikh men have beards and wear turbans, so they have encountered a tremendous amount of prejudice since 9/11 (you may remember the mass killing at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin by a white separatist). I am entirely comfortable considering them non-white regardless of skin color.

    Note: when Haley was a child, her parents wanted to enter in the Miss Bamberg (SC) contest. The contest had two winners each year, one white and one black. Haley was not allowed to enter the contest because she was considered neither black nor white.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    I think "people of color" is and infelicitous (though convenient) term, because it makes the issue one of skin tone, which is not necessarily the case. India is a huge country, with a population far more diverse than ours, or just about any other I can think of. Their skin color covers the entire range from very light to very dark. However, I wouldn't call any of them "Caucasians."

    Nikki Haley (née Nimrata Randhawa) comes from a Punjabi Sikh family. Sikh men have beards and wear turbans, so they have encountered a tremendous amount of prejudice since 9/11 (you may remember the mass killing at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin by a white separatist). I am entirely comfortable considering them non-white regardless of skin color.

    Note: when Haley was a child, her parents wanted to enter in the Miss Bamberg (SC) contest. The contest had two winners each year, one white and one black. Haley was not allowed to enter the contest because she was considered neither black nor white.
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    And yet she carries the water. Legitimation.
    Can’t argue with that.

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    The Jamal Khashoggi story, and our administration's reaction to it, is very deeply disturbing. The Turkish government can't really be said to be "leaking" anymore, because the pipes have burst. In addition to the video that came out before, they now apparently have audio of Khashoggi being interrogated, tortured and killed. They have identified the 15 Saudis who just happened to fly into Istanbul, go to the consulate and the consular residence (when all the staff had conveniently been given the afternoon off), and then fly right back out again.

    The Saudi explanation: "What? Why are you looking at us? He walked out the back door - yes, the same one you have video of him not walking out of. These are vicious, baseless lies!?

    Trump's reaction: "Killing a journalist isn't great (thinking: it isn't so terrible, either), but it's less important than selling arms that the Saudis can use to bomb school buses in Yemen."

    For all his talk about strength and respect coming from the deals he cuts, the exact opposite is happening here. The arms deals should actually give us leverage with the Saudis, but instead he seems to feel that it gives the Saudis all the leverage. The obvious message is that they are free to act in the most outrageous ways - dismembering journalists, bombing school buses - with complete impunity, because Trump is at most a paper tiger.

    A good first step would ordinarily be to get our ambassadors to Turkey and Saudi Arabia heavily involved, helping to coordinate the investigations, offering resources, talking directly to people in high places, applying a little pressure on the spot. Of course, in order to do that, we'd have to have ambassadors to Turkey and Saudi Arabia. No one has been appointed to those jobs yet - but hey, it's not like they're important countries vital to our interests in the Middle East or anything.

    A cynical person might suggest that Trump's unwillingness to risk offending the Saudis might have less to do with the greatly-exaggerated arms deals than with his own company's deals with them. It might not be "they could just go buy weapons from someone else," but "they can just find other hotels to stay at." But, of course, ethics laws don't apply tot he President, so why shouldn't he use his own personal business interests to guide foreign policy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    The Jamal Khashoggi story, and our administration's reaction to it, is very deeply disturbing. The Turkish government can't really be said to be "leaking" anymore, because the pipes have burst. In addition to the video that came out before, they now apparently have audio of Khashoggi being interrogated, tortured and killed. They have identified the 15 Saudis who just happened to fly into Istanbul, go to the consulate and the consular residence (when all the staff had conveniently been given the afternoon off), and then fly right back out again.

    The Saudi explanation: "What? Why are you looking at us? He walked out the back door - yes, the same one you have video of him not walking out of. These are vicious, baseless lies!?

    Trump's reaction: "Killing a journalist isn't great (thinking: it isn't so terrible, either), but it's less important than selling arms that the Saudis can use to bomb school buses in Yemen."

    For all his talk about strength and respect coming from the deals he cuts, the exact opposite is happening here. The arms deals should actually give us leverage with the Saudis, but instead he seems to feel that it gives the Saudis all the leverage. The obvious message is that they are free to act in the most outrageous ways - dismembering journalists, bombing school buses - with complete impunity, because Trump is at most a paper tiger.

    A good first step would ordinarily be to get our ambassadors to Turkey and Saudi Arabia heavily involved, helping to coordinate the investigations, offering resources, talking directly to people in high places, applying a little pressure on the spot. Of course, in order to do that, we'd have to have ambassadors to Turkey and Saudi Arabia. No one has been appointed to those jobs yet - but hey, it's not like they're important countries vital to our interests in the Middle East or anything.

    A cynical person might suggest that Trump's unwillingness to risk offending the Saudis might have less to do with the greatly-exaggerated arms deals than with his own company's deals with them. It might not be "they could just go buy weapons from someone else," but "they can just find other hotels to stay at." But, of course, ethics laws don't apply tot he President, so why shouldn't he use his own personal business interests to guide foreign policy?
    Not only is he nonchalant about this guy's death, he's basically saying "yada yada something may have happened and he's not even a real citizen anyway."

    And who needs an ambassador when we have....Jared.

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...oney-khashoggi


    “Saudi Arabia — and I get along great with all of them. They buy apartments from me,” Trump said at a 2015 rally in Alabama. ”They spend $40 million, $50 million. Am I supposed to dislike them? I like them very much.”

    There’s nothing illegal about making money from rich Saudis. And as Max Fisher explained in his 2016 Vox feature on Saudi influence in American politics, there’s nothing all that unusual about political elites aligning their foreign policy views with Gulf money. But what’s unique about Trump is the extent to which he is able to personally profit from the Saudi government while in office. This August, for example, the general manager of the Trump International Hotel in Manhattan was pleased to announce that after two straight years of decline, revenue grew 13 percent in the first quarter of 2018.

    Why? Well, according to a letter he wrote that was obtained by the Post, “a last-minute visit to New York by the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia” played a key role.

    We happen to know about that because of hard work by the journalists who uncovered it. The letter also noted the curious fact that, during this lucrative engagement, neither the crown prince nor any other members of the royal family actually stayed in the hotel, since it didn’t have suites as big as they wanted. Nevertheless, “due to our close industry relationships ... we were able to accommodate many of the accompanying travelers.”

    Maybe it was close industry relationships, or maybe it was a cash bribe paid by the leader of a foreign dictatorship to the president of the United States. Either way, it’s not something we found out about through President Trump’s financial disclosures because he doesn’t make any meaningful financial disclosures. And it’s not something we found out through a congressional investigation because congressional Republicans have stonewalled all efforts to figure out what’s going on with Trump’s money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RhodyYanksFan View Post
    Not only is he nonchalant about this guy's death, he's basically saying "yada yada something may have happened and he's not even a real citizen anyway."

    And who needs an ambassador when we have....Jared.

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...oney-khashoggi
    I didn't mention the "not a citizen" part because - surprisingly - I think he might have been trying to make a legitimate point in his usual clumsy, sentence-fragment style. I think the idea was that, because Khashoggi wasn't a citizen, the U.S. can't send its own investigators over unless Turkey asks us to. This is probably the first time I've ever given him that much credit, and maybe it's just wishful thinking, but the fact that Khashoggi wasn't a citizen is actually relevant.
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    I didn't mention the "not a citizen" part because - surprisingly - I think he might have been trying to make a legitimate point in his usual clumsy, sentence-fragment style. I think the idea was that, because Khashoggi wasn't a citizen, the U.S. can't send its own investigators over unless Turkey asks us to. This is probably the first time I've ever given him that much credit, and maybe it's just wishful thinking, but the fact that Khashoggi wasn't a citizen is actually relevant.
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    This is America. Can't wait to hear how he "won" by 20,000 votes.

    Georgia’s Republican Secretary of State Brian Kemp is running against Democrat Stacey Abrams in the state’s gubernatorial election, but with less than four weeks to go before the election, he has purged voter rolls and frozen more than 53,000 voter registration applications—more than enough to make the difference in a close election. Throughout his tenure as secretary of state, Kemp’s office canceled more than 1.4 million voter registrations total, and 670,000 registrations in 2017 alone. Nearly 70 percent of voters whose registrations Kemp has frozen are black, whereas 32 percent of Georgians are black.



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    You guys, Ron DeSantis is like, really, really, legit, really, racist.
    https://american-ledger.com/accounta...using-slavery/

    In 2011, as Ron DeSantis was running for a seat in Congress, he penned a book repudiating then-President Barack Obama’s worldview by dissecting his biracial upbringing and questioning his Christianity while also excusing the Founding Fathers for ratifying slavery in the Constitution.

    In the book, “Dreams from Our Founding Fathers: First Principles in the Age of Obama,” DeSantis wrote that the founders were forced to allow slavery to keep the nation together and questionably referred to the three-fifths compromise as “anti-slavery.”
    DeSantis wrote that critics of the “unenlightened” Founding Fathers were guilty of “historical ignorance since counting slaves as less than a full person for purposes of representation benefitted anti-slavery states.”
    He was also the administrator of a Facebook group that did nothing but share racist and anti-semetic memes.
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    Ron DeSantis, the Trump-endorsed congressman who won Tuesday’s GOP primary for Florida governor, is an administrator on an active Facebook group where conservatives share racist, conspiratorial and incendiary posts about a litany of targets, including black Americans and South Africans, the “deep state,” survivors of February’s massacre at a Florida high school, immigrants, Muslims and, in recent days, John McCain.
    The Facebook group, simply named Tea Party, has nearly 95,000 members, and users must join the group to post or comment. The banner for the group is an image of the Confederate, Christian and Gadsden flags flying alongside the flags of the U.S. and Israel. (It isn’t affiliated with the conservative group Tea Party Patriots.)

    Members of the group have attacked Black Lives Matter and other African-Americans as “ghetto scum” and ridiculed the teenage survivors of the massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., on Feb. 14. Posters have referred to Douglas students David Hogg and Emma Gonzalez as a “Hitler wannabe” and a “bald-headed brat,” respectively, after they became outspoken activists for gun control in the wake of the shooting, during which a former student allegedly shot and killed 17 people.

    One member believed the violent far-right rally of neo-Nazis and white supremacists in Charlottesville, Va., in August 2017 was a hoax, writing in a post liked by 1,600 users that the rally was “orchestrated by the left” to “destroy America.”

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.0d8e35311183
    One option under consideration is for the government to detain asylum-seeking families together for up to 20 days, then give parents a choice — stay in family detention with their child for months or years as their immigration case proceeds, or allow children to be taken to a government shelter so other relatives or guardians can seek custody.
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    Hillary Clinton, Cheryl Mills & 4 others finally lost their security clearance.

    OMG, what took so long?


    EDIT: It expired, oh well it should have been revoked a few years back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoodoo View Post
    Hillary Clinton, Cheryl Mills & 4 others finally lost their security clearance.

    OMG, what took so long?


    EDIT: It expired, oh well it should have been revoked a few years back.
    Politico says it was revoked at her request.

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    In Minnesota's First Congressional District, one of the candidates served two combat tours in Iraq. The other one didn't.

    Guess which one this ad is attacking:

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    Also in Minnesota...

    http://www.startribune.com/wardlow-s...ice/497225361/

    Republican Minnesota Attorney General candidate Doug Wardlow told a group of supporters that he would fire "42 Democratic attorneys right off the bat" and replace them with Republicans if he wins in November, according to a recording that Minnesota Public Radio News obtained.
    We apparently now live in a nation under the rule of (party) law.

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    "In the right-wing vernacular freedom means the freedom to exercise one’s God-given right to dominate anyone deemed lower than you. This includes rich over poor, men over women, employers over employees, white over black, and America over the rest of the world."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlw1980 View Post
    "In the right-wing vernacular freedom means the freedom to exercise one’s God-given right to dominate anyone deemed lower than you. This includes rich over poor, men over women, employers over employees, white over black, and America over the rest of the world."

    --Chapo Trap House (podcast)
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    <3 Chapo Trap House and the dirtbag left.
    I hadn't heard of them until today, when I saw that quote posted in a group. I had to Google. I'll have to check them out now.
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    I hadn't heard of them until today, when I saw that quote posted in a group. I had to Google. I'll have to check them out now.
    Chapo is one of my favorites. If you are looking for other political podcasts, I have some suggestions:

    Citations Needed - really good, the cohosts @WideAsleepNima and @adamjohnsonnyc are also great Twitter follows. Their latest episode talked about how/why politicans’ hypocrisy is overused by the media, late night comedy shows and by the general public and why being a hypocrite doesn’t really matter as much in today’s political discourse. These guys are extremely progressive, so I find myself agreeing with a lot of what they have to say.

    Current Affairs podcast - Current Affairs is probably the best outlet for political writing nowadays, so unsurprisingly their podcast is also really good. The most recent episode I listened to was shortly after the Kavanaugh confirmation and had a guest panel of women who work for the magazine do a “Shark Tank” with one woman pitching whether men should be fired into the sun.

    Behind the Bastards - talks about some of the worst humans in history and other stuff we didn’t really hear too much about regarding them. Pretty funny. They just released the second part of their discussion about the Reagans and the AIDS epidemic.

    Opening Arguments - Dumbs down the law stuff we hear about in the news and how law affects what is happening in current events. For example, they talked about what will be in Manafort’s plea deal before we heard about it in the media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara View Post
    <3 Chapo Trap House and the dirtbag left.
    "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
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