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    Quote Originally Posted by fightingirish595 View Post
    I see a lot of people spewing misinformation about it and these people need to be called out and be made aware of the facts.
    Why is that important?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara View Post
    :insert someone is wrong on the internet meme here:
    How am I wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightingirish595 View Post
    How am I wrong?
    "I see a lot of people spewing misinformation about it and these people need to be called out and be made aware of the facts."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara View Post
    "I see a lot of people spewing misinformation about it and these people need to be called out and be made aware of the facts."
    I have seen people say this is a self defense case or that she acted in self defense. The forensic evidence proved this wrong a long time ago, Iíve also seen people say that he bought her. Once again false.

    Hereís a document if you are interested


    https://tncourts.gov/sites/default/f...adeniseopn.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightingirish595 View Post
    I have seen people say this is a self defense case or that she acted in self defense. The forensic evidence proved this wrong a long time ago, Iíve also seen people say that he bought her. Once again false.

    Hereís a document if you are interested


    https://tncourts.gov/sites/default/f...adeniseopn.pdf
    Whoosh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightingirish595 View Post
    I have seen people say this is a self defense case or that she acted in self defense. The forensic evidence proved this wrong a long time ago, Iíve also seen people say that he bought her. Once again false.

    Hereís a document if you are interested


    https://tncourts.gov/sites/default/f...adeniseopn.pdf
    So why does it matter what people say about this case?

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    Here's Lou Dobbs casually calling for the President to do away with his opposition through an autocratic coup. Or, you know, Thursday on his nationally televised show.

    https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2...country/222491

    Quote Originally Posted by Lou Dobbs
    In all seriousness here, you said that you would prefer -- you implied, at least, you would prefer he not declare a national emergency. I think it's the only way forward here. He is -- otherwise, there's not going to be a solution.

    ...

    But I really believe that the way forward here is for him to declare a national emergency, and simply sweep aside the recalcitrant left in this country. They have -- They have obstructed, resisted and subverted for far too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RhodyYanksFan View Post
    Here's Lou Dobbs casually calling for the President to do away with his opposition through an autocratic coup. Or, you know, Thursday on his nationally televised show.

    https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2...country/222491
    The problem is that we have let the last few presidents get away with things with these executive orders, no permission, and there is never any pushback. Obama had his "pen and a phone" way of getting things done--this is just more of the same.

    Its terrible that theyve got this much power now, but we have ourselves to blame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RhodyYanksFan View Post
    Here's Lou Dobbs casually calling for the President to do away with his opposition through an autocratic coup. Or, you know, Thursday on his nationally televised show.

    https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2...country/222491
    Too rich. Oh, and how do you even begin to respond to the insanity found in Giulianiís comments?

    Through.the.looking.glass.

    Oh buy yeah, letís be wary of a drawn out impeachment process that officially emblazons Trump to the lapel of every single elected Republican in this country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara View Post
    Whoosh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ojo View Post
    Too rich. Oh, and how do you even begin to respond to the insanity found in Giulianiís comments?
    I'll let the guy who actually wrote the laws that govern the office of a special council take over from here.

    https://twitter.com/neal_katyal/stat...03987468357635

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    Socialism is their name for anything that helps all the people. ~Harry Truman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jburke View Post
    The problem is that we have let the last few presidents get away with things with these executive orders, no permission, and there is never any pushback. Obama had his "pen and a phone" way of getting things done--this is just more of the same.

    Its terrible that theyve got this much power now, but we have ourselves to blame.
    Terrible example. The last few presidents, starting with Reagan and including Trump, issued far fewer executive orders per term than their predecessors of the previous 100 years. Obama had the lowest rate of the last six.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philleotardo View Post
    Terrible example. The last few presidents, starting with Reagan and including Trump, issued far fewer executive orders per term than their predecessors of the previous 100 years. Obama had the lowest rate of the last six.
    Im not just talking about executive orders though, im talking about anything that should have to go through congress to get approved. Things like going to war in Libya and Syria.
    If you dont think Obama and the last few presidents didnt abuse their executive power-then you werent paying attention.
    So next time youre going to call something a "terrible example" you should understand what im trying to say first. Its about executive over-reach and the media and the people just letting it happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightingirish595 View Post
    I have seen people say this is a self defense case or that she acted in self defense. The forensic evidence proved this wrong a long time ago, Iíve also seen people say that he bought her. Once again false.

    Hereís a document if you are interested


    https://tncourts.gov/sites/default/f...adeniseopn.pdf

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/2535340002/


    The prosecutor who argued against her appeal supported her application for Clemency. I'm guessing he knows a lot more about the case than either you or I.
    Baseball is life;
    the rest is just details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/2535340002/


    The prosecutor who argued against her appeal supported her application for Clemency. I'm guessing he knows a lot more about the case than either you or I.
    Read up. The problem isnít with the decision for clemency. I agree with it. She should not have been tried as an adult

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jburke View Post
    Im not just talking about executive orders though, im talking about anything that should have to go through congress to get approved. Things like going to war in Libya and Syria.
    If you dont think Obama and the last few presidents didnt abuse their executive power-then you werent paying attention.
    So next time youre going to call something a "terrible example" you should understand what im trying to say first. Its about executive over-reach and the media and the people just letting it happen.
    Youíre trying to say itís worse now (ďWe let it happenĒ) than itís been in previous eras. Thatís false.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jburke View Post
    Im not just talking about executive orders though, im talking about anything that should have to go through congress to get approved. Things like going to war in Libya and Syria.
    If you dont think Obama and the last few presidents didnt abuse their executive power-then you werent paying attention.
    So next time youre going to call something a "terrible example" you should understand what im trying to say first. Its about executive over-reach and the media and the people just letting it happen.
    Sending troops to fight abroad isnít a presidential usurpation of power. Itís a power Congress willingly conceded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightingirish595 View Post
    Read up. The problem isnít with the decision for clemency. I agree with it. She should not have been tried as an adult
    Wait, what are you even arguing then?

    I've seen you argue she was an adult for consent.
    That she was guilty of murder.
    Now that she shouldn't have been tried as an adult.
    And you are OK with the recent clemency.
    Baseball is life;
    the rest is just details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    Wait, what are you even arguing then?

    I've seen you argue she was an adult for consent.
    That she was guilty of murder.
    Now that she shouldn't have been tried as an adult.
    And you are OK with the recent clemency.
    As Tex said, the argument seems to be that someone is wrong on the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    Wait, what are you even arguing then?

    I've seen you argue she was an adult for consent.
    That she was guilty of murder.
    Now that she shouldn't have been tried as an adult.
    And you are OK with the recent clemency.
    I’m not arguing that she’s an adult for consent. Tennessee age of consent is 18. Majority of countries and Many states (I think a majority can’t remmeber though) have it at 16. The point was that the guy that was killed was not a pedophile. His murder was unjustified based on the forensic evidence. But yes he was breaking the law, albeit lack of evidence shows probably unknowingly. She was absolutely guilty of murder. She shouldn’t have been tried as an adult. And he’s im ok with clemency.

    My problem is the media and big time celebrities spreading false information about it which is causing a lot of people to believe things that aren’t true. Things that I’ve seen repeated here (like that she was bought, and was defending herself)

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightingirish595 View Post
    Iím not arguing that sheís an adult for consent. Tennessee age of consent is 18. Majority of countries and Many states (I think a majority canít remmeber though) have it at 16. The point was that the guy that was killed was not a pedophile. His murder was unjustified based on the forensic evidence. But yes he was breaking the law, albeit lack of evidence shows probably unknowingly. She was absolutely guilty of murder. She shouldnít have been tried as an adult. And heís im ok with clemency.

    My problem is the media and big time celebrities spreading false information about it which is causing a lot of people to believe things that arenít true. Things that Iíve seen repeated here (like that she was bought, and was defending herself)
    No one said he was a pedophile, just that he intended to rape her.

    And I still donít understand why this matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    No one said he was a pedophile, just that he intended to rape her.

    And I still donít understand why this matters.
    Youíre calling it intended rape because she was not the age of consent right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightingirish595 View Post
    Youíre calling it intended rape because she was not the age of consent right?
    Yes. What he intended to do was rape.

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