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    Quote Originally Posted by Jburke View Post
    Yeah, i really dont care that shes 1/1024th native American. Its her socialist policies that i dont want any part of.
    Anything specific? Medicare? Medicaid? Social Security? Public schools? Libraries? Roads? Fire and Police?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara View Post
    Anything specific? Medicare? Medicaid? Social Security? Public schools? Libraries? Roads? Fire and Police?
    Im more of a free market libertarian, so pretty much dont like any of her economic views at all, and i dont consider fire/police/libraries socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jburke View Post
    Im more of a free market libertarian, so pretty much dont like any of her economic views at all, and i dont consider fire/police/libraries socialism.

    2.4 Government Finance and Spending
    All persons are entitled to keep the fruits of their labor. We call for the repeal of the income tax, the abolishment of the Internal Revenue Service and all federal programs and services not required under the U.S. Constitution. We oppose any legal requirements forcing employers to serve as tax collectors. We support any initiative to reduce or abolish any tax, and oppose any increase on any taxes for any reason. To the extent possible, we advocate that all public services be funded in a voluntary manner.

    That's directly from the Libertarian Platform. Sounds like fire/police/libraries that aren't funded voluntarily without taxes is socialism in the libertarian view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    That's directly from the Libertarian Platform. Sounds like fire/police/libraries that aren't funded voluntarily without taxes is socialism in the libertarian view.

    Libertarian is is a great idealistic view that has no realistic view of ever doing anything.
    Just because we feel that way about taxes doesnt mean that collecting taxes for public goods is socialism.
    Public goods are things that are nonrivalrous and nonexcludable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    That's directly from the Libertarian Platform. Sounds like fire/police/libraries that aren't funded voluntarily without taxes is socialism in the libertarian view.

    Libertarian is is a great idealistic view that has no realistic view of ever doing anything.
    I used to consider myself a libertarian. Then I realized it was nothing but selfishness. It's not even idealistic, honestly. It's just callous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlw1980 View Post
    I used to consider myself a libertarian. Then I realized it was nothing but selfishness. It's not even idealistic, honestly. It's just callous.
    It sounds great in theory until you actually want a working government.


    I say it is idealistic because if you believe that everyone will actually work for the common good and voluntarily pay for services needed and charitable giving will cover all the poor people needs without government assistance. Unfortunately it relies on ignoring over 5,000 years of documented human history to think it might actually work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    That's directly from the Libertarian Platform.
    Capital L. Some of us consider ourselves to be libertarians with a small l. Political philosophy, as opposed to a fringe political party.
    Quote Originally Posted by jlw1980
    I used to consider myself a libertarian. Then I realized it was nothing but selfishness. It's not even idealistic, honestly. It's just callous.
    Respectfully disagree. Not the least bit selfish. A libertarian believes in 'limited' government, not 'no' government. Our Constitution defines who has what power. Certain powers are vested to the central government, and to specific branches of that government. Others are retained to the individual states. Still others are held by the people. A libertarian believes in that framework. Government power has swung back and forth between the executive and legislative branches, to the detriment of the states, and to the people. Libertarians are those who are concerned with this power shift.

    As for selfishness, a political party or point of view that entices voters with promises of 'free' healthcare and 'free' college tuition is the party that's trying to attract the selfish.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper
    It sounds great in theory until you actually want a working government.
    Your conflating libertarianism with anarchy. I very much DO want a working government. But I want a government that has defined powers. In fact, when defined powers are routinely ignored, I would contend that we have an authoritarian system, rather than a 'working' government.

    Was the non-consideration of Merrick Garland an example of a working government? Was the three-ring circus surrounding the Kavanaugh hearings? Do our border policies, and the interpretation and implementation of those policies represent a working government?

    I do not ever expect to see the rise of a legitimate Libertarian Party. However, I will support candidates who believe in limited government, in Constitutionally defined powers, and in reining in unbridled government growth. Regardless of which party they're affiliated with.

    I don't think that position represents selfishness, and I think it's far more idealistic than voting a straight Republican or straight Democratic ticket.

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    Time to add Puerto Rico and DC as the 51st and 52nd state.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/14/o...gtype=Homepage

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    The POTUS just referred to a woman as "horseface" in a tweet. But civility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara View Post
    The POTUS just referred to a woman as "horseface" in a tweet. But civility.

    at her reply
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    We won, stop bitching. Bitches.
    This Administration reminds me of Reservoir Dogs...Evil white guys in suits, few roles for women and Mr. Orange lies through the whole thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara View Post
    The POTUS just referred to a woman as "horseface" in a tweet. But civility.


    Can we talk about that comma in the last sentence though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNick View Post
    at her reply
    What'd she say?
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    at her reply
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    https://twitter.com/BChappatta/statu...93038620012545
    (Bloomberg) -- Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell says the U.S. budget deficit is "disturbing" and spending on entitlement programs must be addressed by both Republicans and Democrats.
    If Republicans hold Congress, they’re coming for your health insurance - Obamacare, Medicaid, Medicare, and higher premiums across the board. It’s a promise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ojo View Post
    What'd she say?

    https://twitter.com/StormyDaniels/st...24021855637505
    Quote Originally Posted by DEADSOX
    We won, stop bitching. Bitches.
    This Administration reminds me of Reservoir Dogs...Evil white guys in suits, few roles for women and Mr. Orange lies through the whole thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara View Post
    The POTUS just referred to a woman as "horseface" in a tweet. But civility.
    Please don't use the President as an example of what civility ought to look like.

    Or, are you recommending we sink to his level?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maynerd View Post
    Please don't use the President as an example of what civility ought to look like.

    Or, are you recommending we sink to his level?

    "When they go low...."

    " ...we kick them."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maynerd View Post

    "When they go low...."
    Step on their neck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maynerd View Post
    Please don't use the President as an example of what civility ought to look like.

    Or, are you recommending we sink to his level?

    "When they go low...."
    He shouldn't' be allowed to dictate what is and is not civil, but that's exactly what he's doing. He's the one saying Democrats are an angry mob who shouldn't be allowed to govern.

    https://crooked.com/articles/democrats-civility-trump/

    There’s almost no sense in belaboring the point at all in the Trump era, but Republicans are no strangers to protest politics or incivility. What they reveal, in treating the Tea Party, and the massive resistance to the Obama presidency, and the Trump campaign as natural expressions of public discontent, and the backlash to Trump as a “mob,” is that they seek to make conservative politics the only legitimate form of politics in America.

    Republicans pretend to be galled by “uncivil” political rhetoric, not in order to ease partisan tensions, but to warp public perception of where the dangerous, illiberal forces in the democracy are actually located; to distract the commentariat from arenas full of angry Trump supporters chanting for the imprisonment of various female liberals, and beating up protesters, while convincing those supporters that they’re the ones truly under threat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RhodyYanksFan View Post
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    If Republicans hold Congress, they’re coming for your health insurance - Obamacare, Medicaid, Medicare, and higher premiums across the board. It’s a promise.

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    I love how he thinks the relatively low cost of those social programs -- instead of massive tax cuts for billionaires and extreme defense spending -- is the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlw1980 View Post
    I love how he thinks the relatively low cost of those social programs -- instead of massive tax cuts for billionaires and extreme defense spending -- is the problem.

    Mitch McConnell is one of the most evil people currently alive.
    He's just the epitome of the selfish American.

    Some people are OK with morality being played out in the cinema and not in real life. Which explains why he keeps getting re-elected.
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    This is a must read. I'd love to hear everyone, but particularly Maynerd's, take on it.

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...-supreme-court

    The rigging of American politics
    Political systems depend on legitimacy. In America, that legitimacy is failing.

    American politics is edging into an era of crisis. A constitutional system built to calm the tensions of America’s founding era is distorting the political competition between parties, making the country both less democratic and less Democratic.

    Since 2000, fully 40 percent of presidential elections have been won by the loser of the popular vote. Republicans control the US Senate despite winning fewer votes than Democrats, and it’s understood that House Democrats need to beat Republicans by as much as 7 or 8 points in the popular vote to hold a majority in the chamber. Next year, it’s possible that Republicans will control the presidency and both chambers of Congress despite having received fewer votes for the White House in 2016 and for the House and Senate in 2018.

    Kavanaugh now serves on a Supreme Court where four of the nine justices were nominated by a president who lost the popular vote in his initial run for office, and where the 5-4 conservative majority owes its existence to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s extraordinary decision to deny Merrick Garland a hearing. This Court will rule on the constitutionality of gerrymandering, voter ID laws, union dues, campaign finance, Obamacare, and more; that is to say, they will rule on cases that will shape who holds, and who can effectively wield, political power in the future.
    A central problem in any free political system is how to ensure a balanced competition. The problem in our system is that what we balanced for is no longer what’s competing.

    “If the competing groups are states, you need a set of rules to make sure that competition is fair,” says Mason. “If the competing groups are parties, you need a set of rules to make sure the partisan competition is fair.”

    The compromises made to calm the divisions between places is exacerbating the divisions between the parties, as Republicans dominate rural areas while Democrats cluster in urban centers.

    Some of the original compromises have ceased to make sense at all, as with the Electoral College, which was designed to ensure the final selection of the president would be “made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation.” Instead, it has become a bizarre distortion of democracy where party hacks slightly warp the outcome of the popular vote. That this is the body that put Donald Trump in the White House is a supreme irony.

    “Because everything is collapsed down to just partisanship, the main question is: Do Democrats have fair rules of representation? And they don’t,” says Mason. “That’s just the unavoidable answer to that question. But then do we rewrite our system of government?”

    To do nothing, however, is to court a different kind of disaster. GovTrack notes that the divergence between the percentage of senators voting yes on important roll call votes and the percentage of the population they represent has spiked to record levels — a reflection of both the Senate’s composition and the hardball tactics Republicans are using to pass policy. The gap could explode from here. By 2040, 70 percent of Americans will live in the 15 largest states. That means 70 percent of America will be represented by only 30 senators, while the other 30 percent of America will be represented by 70 senators.

    It is not difficult to imagine an America where Republicans consistently win the presidency despite rarely winning the popular vote, where they control both the House and the Senate despite rarely winning more votes than the Democrats, where their dominance of the Supreme Court is unquestioned, and where all this power is used to buttress a system of partisan gerrymandering and pro-corporate campaign finance laws and strict voter ID requirements and anti-union legislation that further weakens Democrats’ electoral performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RhodyYanksFan View Post
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    If Republicans hold Congress, they’re coming for your health insurance - Obamacare, Medicaid, Medicare, and higher premiums across the board. It’s a promise.

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    I've said this here before and it wasn't taken well, but - if the GOP is able to fully enact their agenda, they will be responsible for more American deaths than Al Qaeda or ISIS could ever dream of.

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