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    Bannon: 'Anti-patriarchy movement' will 'undo ten thousand years of recorded history'
    We should be so lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    We should be so lucky.
    Yeah, I was trying to figure out how that was a negative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlw1980 View Post
    Yeah, I was trying to figure out how that was a negative.
    To be honest, I didn't get the impression that Bannon was saying it was a negative. Just a fact. Here's another version of the same sentiment. https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...-the-president

    The Time’s Up movement against sexual abuse and harassment now has Bannon’s full attention, too. “The top seven stories today are all guys getting blown up,” he says. “And these are not small guys.” He’s a connoisseur of anger, and in women’s anger about sexual harassment he senses a prelude to their anger about a lot more. “I think it’s going to unfold like the Tea Party, only bigger,” he says. “It’s not Me Too. It’s not just sexual harassment. It’s an anti-patriarchy movement. Time’s up on 10,000 years of recorded history. This is coming. This is real.”
    It's a very good article btw. Michael Lewis has a way with words.

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    I agree with Bannon......and I feel so dirty......

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/10/b...av=bottom-well

    The recent stock market rumpus has been set off in part by fears that a tight labor market and quickening wage growth are a foretaste of higher inflation and interest rates. But sustained raises for American workers may be possible only if employers can break a habit: handing out one-time bonuses in place of salary increases.

    A growing preference among employers for one-time awards instead of raises that keep building over time has been quietly transforming the employment landscape for two decades. But it was accelerated by the recession’s intensity, which made employers especially cautious about increasing labor costs.

    The stream of companies announcing bonuses for their employees in the wake of the newly minted tax cuts is just the latest expression of the trend.

    This little-noticed shift in how employers compensate workers could also help explain one of the economy’s most persistent puzzles: why a hot labor market has failed to ignite bigger increases in wages.
    In 1991, for example, spending on temporary rewards and bonuses for salaried employees, known as variable pay, accounted for an average of 3.1 percent of total compensation budgets, while salary increases amounted to 5 percent.

    In 2017, one-time payments consumed 12.7 percent to those budgets; raises amounted to just 2.9 percent.

    “Pressure to increase productivity and minimize costs,” the report concluded, had pushed employers to forgo raises and rely more on short-term awards “as the primary means of rewarding for performance.”

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    The USDA wants to replace food stamps, which for many allows access to fresh food, with boxes of canned crap.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...tration-343245

    The Trump administration is proposing to save billions in the coming years by giving low-income families a box of government-picked, nonperishable foods every month instead of food stamps.

    White House OMB Director Mick Mulvaney on Monday hailed the idea as one that kept up with the modern era, calling it a "Blue Apron-type program" — a nod to the high-end meal kit delivery company that had one of the worst stock debuts in 2017 and has struggled to hold onto customers. Mulvaney said the administration’s plan would not only save the government money, but also provide people with more nutritious food than they have now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees View Post
    The USDA wants to replace food stamps, which for many allows access to fresh food, with boxes of canned crap.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...tration-343245
    If Mulvaney had his was the FDA would give poor people Soylent Green.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees View Post
    The USDA wants to replace food stamps, which for many allows access to fresh food, with boxes of canned crap.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...tration-343245
    That comparison is so disingenuous. Blue Apron consists of fresh meat and veggies, not canned food.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoyoteYankee View Post
    That comparison is so disingenuous. Blue Apron consists of fresh meat and veggies, not canned food.
    Probably more like K-rations.
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    https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt...ients-will-get

    Joel Berg, CEO of Hunger Free America, a hunger advocacy group that also helps clients access food-assistance services, said the administration's plan left him baffled. "They have managed to propose nearly the impossible, taking over $200 billion worth of food from low-income Americans while increasing bureaucracy and reducing choices," Berg says.

    He says SNAP is efficient because it is a "free market model" that lets recipients shop at stores for their benefits. The Trump administration's proposal, he said, "is a far more intrusive, Big Government answer. They think a bureaucrat in D.C. is better at picking out what your family needs than you are?"

    Douglas Greenaway, president of the National WIC Association, echoed that sentiment. "Removing choice from SNAP flies in the face of encouraging personal responsibility," he said. He says "the budget seems to assume that participating in SNAP is a character flaw."
    It isn't clear how billions of dollars' worth of food each year would be distributed to millions of SNAP recipients who live all over the country, including dense urban areas and sparsely populated rural regions. The budget says states will have "substantial flexibility in designing the food box delivery system through existing infrastructure, partnerships or commercial/retail delivery services."

    Critics of the proposal said distributing that much food presents a logistical nightmare. "Among the problems, it's going to be costly and take money out of the [SNAP] program from the administrative side. It's going to stigmatize people when they have to go to certain places to pick up benefits," says Jim Weill, president of the nonprofit Food Research and Action Center.

    Stacy Dean, vice president for food assistance policy at the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities, called the proposal "radical and risky." The idea that the government could save money by distributing food itself, she said, is "ill-informed at best."

    It isn't clear whether the boxes will come with directions on how to cook the foods inside. "It could be something that [SNAP recipients] don't even know how to make," notes Miguelina Diaz, whose team at Hunger Free America works directly with families to help them access food aid. "We deal with different people of different backgrounds. Limiting them by providing them a staple box would limit the choices of food they can prepare for their families."

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    They saw one story about one woman buying a lobster with her SNAP card and this is what they proposed.

    Can't wait to hear the small government tea party nitwits defend this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RhodyYanksFan View Post
    They saw one story about one woman buying a lobster with her SNAP card and this is what they proposed.

    Can't wait to hear the small government tea party nitwits defend this.
    There is no valid argument I can think of justifying spending any money on administrative/delivery services that would otherwise go directly toward purchasing food (lobster or not).

    And I never understood why anybody even cares if somebody buys lobster with SNAP. It's not like that person's monthly SNAP allotment increases because of it.

    Are people not allowed to cook a nice meal occasionally and forget that they're struggling for like 20 minutes of their life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RhodyYanksFan View Post
    They saw one story about one woman buying a lobster with her SNAP card and this is what they proposed.

    Can't wait to hear the small government tea party nitwits defend this.
    It's just another way to demonize the poor and make them suffer more. What if they have allergies? What if they have arthritis and can't open cans? And who gives a flying ................ if they occasionally buy lobster?! Do poor people not deserve good things every once in a while?

    This is so disgusting. So, so disgusting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler Durden View Post
    There is no valid argument I can think of justifying spending any money on administrative/delivery services that would otherwise go directly toward purchasing food (lobster or not).

    And I never understood why anybody even cares if somebody buys lobster with SNAP. It's not like that person's monthly SNAP allotment increases because of it.

    Are people not allowed to cook a nice meal occasionally and forget that they're struggling for like 20 minutes of their life?
    Exactly.

    There is a place for indirect cost allocations in that agencies have overhead and finance people who need to be covered as part of the service, but your other points are spot on.

    But like everything this won't hurt him with his base even though it hurts them.

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...5e5_story.html

    Israeli police recommend indictment of Netanyahu on corruption charges

    JERUSALEM — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu should be indicted in two corruption cases, police recommended Tuesday, ramping up pressure on the leader who has served....more than a decade in office.....

    After months of investigations, Israeli police....said they believe there is sufficient evidence against the prime minister to indict him on suspicion of accepting bribes, fraud and breach of trust.

    ....They handed over their recommendations to Israeli Attorney General Avichai Mandelblit, who will now examine the evidence and decide whether to move forward with legal proceedings, a process that could take months.
    Wow.
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    For Those Following the PA Gerrymandering Case:

    Pa. gov rejects proposed redistricting map from GOP lawmakers

    Source: The Hill

    BY LISA HAGEN - 02/13/18 12:03 PM EST

    Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf (D) on Tuesday rejected a new district map drawn by GOP lawmakers, bringing the state closer to handing its redistricting process over to a court.

    The GOP map was drawn after the state Supreme Court struck down the state’s current map in a gerrymandering case.


    State GOP lawmakers submitted a new map to Wolf last Friday, just ahead of the court-ordered deadline for new lines. The governor had until Thursday to decided whether to approve the map.


    http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign...-gop-lawmakers
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRenninger View Post
    For Those Following the PA Gerrymandering Case:

    Pa. gov rejects proposed redistricting map from GOP lawmakers

    Source: The Hill

    BY LISA HAGEN - 02/13/18 12:03 PM EST

    Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf (D) on Tuesday rejected a new district map drawn by GOP lawmakers, bringing the state closer to handing its redistricting process over to a court.

    The GOP map was drawn after the state Supreme Court struck down the state’s current map in a gerrymandering case.


    State GOP lawmakers submitted a new map to Wolf last Friday, just ahead of the court-ordered deadline for new lines. The governor had until Thursday to decided whether to approve the map.


    http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign...-gop-lawmakers
    So they'll impeach him now right? That's their game plan for this it seems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RhodyYanksFan View Post
    Exactly.

    There is a place for indirect cost allocations in that agencies have overhead and finance people who need to be covered as part of the service, but your other points are spot on.

    But like everything this won't hurt him with his base even though it hurts them.
    I'm still trying to wrap my head around how creating a federal agency (and one will be needed to be created) to collect, assemble, allocate and then distribute foodstuffs in a box will actually save the taxpayer any money at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredgmuggs View Post
    I'm still trying to wrap my head around how creating a federal agency (and one will be needed to be created) to collect, assemble, allocate and then distribute foodstuffs in a box will actually save the taxpayer any money at all.
    It may or may not be a good idea. I tend to think it's a bad idea (personal opinion) but hey if it's implemented right it might be a great success.

    That said like others I'm having a hard time seeing how replacing a market based solution which gives consumers funds to spend on certain items that go directly back into the economy being replaced by a monster nationwide beuracracy to distribute actual food stuffs resembles small unobtrusive government in any way, shape or form.

    Honestly it sounds more like a program LBJ might have rolled out instead of Drumph.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    It may or may not be a good idea. I tend to think it's a bad idea (personal opinion) but hey if it's implemented right it might be a great success.

    That said like others I'm having a hard time seeing how replacing a market based solution which gives consumers funds to spend on certain items that go directly back into the economy being replaced by a monster nationwide beuracracy to distribute actual food stuffs resembles small unobtrusive government in any way, shape or form.

    Honestly it sounds more like a program LBJ might have rolled out instead of Drumph.
    Actually, LBJ did roll out a program - food stamps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    Actually, LBJ did roll out a program - food stamps.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supple...mp_Act_of_1964
    Yes but the revamp seems more in line with what he might propose than anything a supposedly conservative small government republican would suggest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    Yes but the revamp seems more in line with what he might propose than anything a supposedly conservative small government republican would suggest.
    Johnon did not believe in demeaning poor people who needed help. He believed in helping them.

    Edit: I know what you're getting at, but I think you're wrong. In fact, this is exactly the kind of thing Republicans love, just on a grander scale. The government wasting money isn't nearly the moral issue that poor people potentially wasting money is. When it comes to government assistance, controlling and intrusive is their way. You want our help? Show us that you deserve it, that you're not getting one more penny than we think you deserve, and that you're not frittering it away on things we don't approve of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    Johnon did not believe in demeaning poor people who needed help. He believed in helping them.

    Edit: I know what you're getting at, but I think you're wrong. In fact, this is exactly the kind of thing Republicans love, just on a grander scale. The government wasting money isn't nearly the moral issue that poor people potentially wasting money is. When it comes to government assistance, controlling and intrusive is their way. You want our help? Show us that you deserve it, that you're not getting one more penny than we think you deserve, and that you're not frittering it away on things we don't approve of.
    OK but then their words do not match their actions. Not that I'm shocked by that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    Johnon did not believe in demeaning poor people who needed help. He believed in helping them.

    Edit: I know what you're getting at, but I think you're wrong. In fact, this is exactly the kind of thing Republicans love, just on a grander scale. The government wasting money isn't nearly the moral issue that poor people potentially wasting money is. When it comes to government assistance, controlling and intrusive is their way. You want our help? Show us that you deserve it, that you're not getting one more penny than we think you deserve, and that you're not frittering it away on things we don't approve of.
    And be grateful that we are giving you anything at all.

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    I can get behind a variant of that food program. I think the dems should look into it and see if there might be some common ground.

    From what I read (I thought), there would be a stipend on top of the delivery that would be for discretionary spending, so it wouldn't eliminate choice entirely. I also thought I saw that some of the foodstuffs included things like beans, peanut butter, oatmeal, etc. Good bang for your buck in terms of calories while still being healthy.

    I think a program like this IF done right, could solve a few problems.

    First, we could get food directly to households. That helps those that live in food deserts and single parents that don't have the time (or transportation) to get to a grocery store as often as necessary.

    Second, assuming the food is brought in from local(ish) farms, we support those small businesses and I think that would also reduce the overall impact to the environment.

    Third, using the Blue Apron or whatever model, we can educate recipients and give them recipes to make quick and nutritious meals using the provided food. The health benefits would be substantial, assuming that we're giving healthy food (not corn syrupy bull................ the ag lobby wants included) and recipients are interested in a healthy diet.

    It may not be feasible, but I'd prefer to see liberals try to mold this into a favorable deal that both sides could be happy with. Rs get peace of mind with regard to abuse (overblown as it may be), support for local businesses, maybe some job creation, and hopefully more efficient use of taxpayer money while dems have an opportunity to address some deficiencies in the current program.


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