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    What’s outlandish is believing that those reasons played significantly into her departure. There’s no reason to think that the "men getting pregnant" thing was involved at all, since the only source appears to be The Daily Wire citing a report in The Daily Wire. As for the trans-inclusive language, it is mentioned in the BuzzFeed article - after paragraphs citing more substantial reasons.



    Wen framed abortion as a health care issue rather than a political one, which many at PP apparently felt wasn’t the right approach for now. Also, there was enormous turnover of high-level staff. It seems to come down to the fact that they though she was a lousy leader for this particular time, and just a lousy leader.

    But hey, I’m sure it’s much funnier the other way. Ha ha ha ha ha. Stoopit libs.

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...?ref=bfnsplash
    Totally agreed, but her refusal to use trans-inclusive language is ridiculous, too. It's not that hard to include people.

    It really does seem as if she's a terrible leader for that particular organization, though.

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    There was no attack by “Antifa”. There was an attack by a deranged individual who was described by a friend as seeking “suicide by police”.
    Even though he said " I am Antifa " ????

    I would think the universe of Antifa falls w/in the deranged individual subset

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    How about using more neutral descriptions than “radical” and “far left”? Frankly, those kinds of terms leave the reader with no idea of what you’re talking about.

    IDK, I think they're accurate

    We'll see in 2020

    It's clear the agenda of most candidates has moved way left

    Reparations, open borders, wealth seizure, controlling corporations etc etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by ieddyi3 View Post
    Even though he said " I am Antifa " ????

    I would think the universe of Antifa falls w/in the deranged individual subset
    He also said he wasn’t part of any organization. If I say, "I am Czar of all the Russias," that doesn’t give me any authority.

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    He also said he wasn’t part of any organization. If I say, "I am Czar of all the Russias," that doesn’t give me any authority.
    No, but I bet you Anastasia screamed in vain just the same.
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    No, but I bet you Anastasia screamed in vain just the same.
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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-manufa...150625948.html

    US manufacturing sunk into recession in June after two consecutive quarters of declines amid President Donald Trump's bitter trade wars and a slowdown in China and other trading partners.

    The decline comes as the United States enters its 11th year of economic recovery and occurs despite Trump's constant pledges to restore America to manufacturing greatness -- even though services now drive three quarters of the US economy.

    Despite jumping in June, manufacturing fell by a 2.2 percent annual rate in the April-June period, and total industrial production lost 1.2 percent, in both cases the second consecutive quarterly decline, the Federal Reserve said Tuesday.
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    IDK, I think they're accurate

    We'll see in 2020

    It's clear the agenda of most candidates has moved way left

    Reparations, open borders, wealth seizure, controlling corporations etc etc
    They've only moved way left in relation to how far right the country has gotten that past 40 years. Never forget, the ACA was based on a conservative think tank idea of how to increase access to healthcare in America.

    When the GOP cries socialism at every turn they become the party that cried wolf - when progressive police ideas have never been more popular.

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    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...pensation-fund

    Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) on Wednesday blocked an attempt by Democrats to pass an extension of the September 11th Victim Compensation Fund.

    Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) tried to win the Senate's consent to approve the House-passed bill, which would reauthorize funding until fiscal year 2090. The bill cleared the House in a 402-12 vote last week.

    But Paul objected, pointing to the country's growing debt and arguing that any new spending should be offset by cuts to other spending.
    This "fiscal conservative" says we can't take care of 9/11 first responders because sustaining Trump's enormous tax cut for the super wealthy (which he happily voted for without asking where the offset will come from) is more important than saving lives.

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    They've only moved way left in relation to how far right the country has gotten that past 40 years. Never forget, the ACA was based on a conservative think tank idea of how to increase access to healthcare in America.

    When the GOP cries socialism at every turn they become the party that cried wolf - when progressive police ideas have never been more popular.

    They've gone way to the left of even Obama

    Remember he ran as strict standards for asylum, was against same sex marriage, was against covering illegals under the ACA,he cast himself as a fiscal moderate,

    Not arguing the merits, and of course he governed way left of where he campaigned, but the point is that he felt he had to hide his true agenda in order to get elected. Todays D'a- exception Biden perhaps, are openly espousing far left policies

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    They've gone way to the left of even Obama

    Remember he ran as strict standards for asylum, was against same sex marriage, was against covering illegals under the ACA,he cast himself as a fiscal moderate,

    Not arguing the merits, and of course he governed way left of where he campaigned, but the point is that he felt he had to hide his true agenda in order to get elected. Todays D'a- exception Biden perhaps, are openly espousing far left policies
    umm...nope
    only in the mind of faux news
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    They've gone way to the left of even Obama

    Remember he ran as strict standards for asylum, was against same sex marriage, was against covering illegals under the ACA,he cast himself as a fiscal moderate,

    Not arguing the merits, and of course he governed way left of where he campaigned, but the point is that he felt he had to hide his true agenda in order to get elected. Todays D'a- exception Biden perhaps, are openly espousing far left policies
    I think every candidate governs differently from how they run. Part of it is the reality of being in office, part of it is saying whatever it takes to win.

    We'll never agree, but I think a public option, fully funded abortions, and tax rate hikes on the wealthy are not far left ideas. Again, since Reagan, this country has moved substantially to the right on virtually every metric (except some social things, but this admin is doing whatever they can in that department), so of course things will look to be "far left". However, I like the idea of starting out your policy at 100% of what you want knowing you'll compromise down to 65%. What has been going on too long is progressives starting the debate at 70% and compromising down to 45%...and still being called socialists. So, go big or go home.

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    They've gone way to the left of even Obama

    Remember he ran as strict standards for asylum, was against same-sex marriage, was against covering illegals under the ACA,he cast himself as a fiscal moderate,

    Not arguing the merits, and of course, he governed way left of where he campaigned, but the point is that he felt he had to hide his true agenda in order to get elected. Todays D'a- exception Biden perhaps, are openly espousing far-left policies
    They've modernized, realizing it was the 21st Century?

    The Dems haven't gone to the left, they've simply recognized the world is moving forward. Progress happens in all walks of life and, being honest, the Dems realized this far less than the majority of the modern world.

    The only party that has explicitly moved in one direction is the GOP. It is taking up more right-leaning, conservative issues than it did thirty and forty years ago.
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    JUST IN: Sen. @RandPaul blocks Senate vote on 9/11 victim compensation fund http://hill.cm/RnSs087


    Tax cuts now, tax cuts forever but not one penny for victim compensation.
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    They've modernized, realizing it was the 21st Century?

    The Dems haven't gone to the left, they've simply recognized the world is moving forward. Progress happens in all walks of life and, being honest, the Dems realized this far less than the majority of the modern world.

    The only party that has explicitly moved in one direction is the GOP. It is taking up more right-leaning, conservative issues than it did thirty and forty years ago.
    I'd take issue with the 'conservative' here. Much of recent GOP direction is anathema to those who called themselves conservative 30/40 years ago. They have perverted the concept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    JUST IN: Sen. @RandPaul blocks Senate vote on 9/11 victim compensation fund http://hill.cm/RnSs087


    Tax cuts now, tax cuts forever but not one penny for victim compensation.
    He's a truly horrible person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theDurk View Post
    I'd take issue with the 'conservative' here. Much of recent GOP direction is anathema to those who called themselves conservative 30/40 years ago. They have perverted the concept.
    Be that as it may, it is what conservatives are today.


    That said I personally don't see a lot of difference in conservatives of toady v the 80s, 90s or 00s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    JUST IN: Sen. @RandPaul blocks Senate vote on 9/11 victim compensation fund http://hill.cm/RnSs087


    Tax cuts now, tax cuts forever but not one penny for victim compensation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ieddyi3 View Post
    They've gone way to the left of even Obama

    Remember he ran as strict standards for asylum, was against same sex marriage, was against covering illegals under the ACA,he cast himself as a fiscal moderate,

    Not arguing the merits, and of course he governed way left of where he campaigned, but the point is that he felt he had to hide his true agenda in order to get elected. Todays D'a- exception Biden perhaps, are openly espousing far left policies
    Obama was a centrist with awful immigration policies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theDurk View Post
    I'd take issue with the 'conservative' here. Much of recent GOP direction is anathema to those who called themselves conservative 30/40 years ago. They have perverted the concept.
    "Conservative" means holding traditional values, cautious of change or unwilling to change - right? So, the GOP is conservative and they're taking up positions that are more conservative than in previous years.
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    Be that as it may, it is what conservatives are today.


    That said I personally don't see a lot of difference in conservatives of toady v the 80s, 90s or 00s.
    Do some reading of those who embraced the old concept of conservatism.

    https://www.economist.com/leaders/20...n-conservatism

    Paywall, sorry, but here is an excerpt:

    Vladimir putin, Russia’s president, has declared the liberal idea “obsolete”. It will not surprise you to learn that we disagree. Not just because he told the Financial Times that liberalism was all about immigration, multiculturalism and gender politics—a travesty—but also because he picked the wrong target. The idea most under threat in the West is conservatism. And you do not have to be a conservative to find that deeply troubling.

    In two-party systems, like the United States and (broadly) Britain, the right is in power, but only by jettisoning the values that used to define it. In countries with many parties the centre-right is being eroded, as in Germany and Spain, or eviscerated, as in France and Italy. And in other places, like Hungary, with a shorter democratic tradition, the right has gone straight to populism without even trying conservatism.
    Here is another:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...vative/571747/

    Being a conservative has always meant, to me, taking a certain view of human nature, and embracing a certain set of values and virtues. The conservative is warier than her liberal counterpart about the darker impulses and desires that lurk in men and women, more doubtful of their perfectibility, skeptical of and opposed to the engineering of individual souls, and more inclined to celebrate freedom moderated by law, custom, education, and culture. She knows that power tends to corrupt, and likes to see it checked and divided. Words like responsibility, stoicism, self-control, frugality, fidelity, decorum, honor, character, independence, and integrity appeal to most decent people. They come particularly easily to the admirers of thinkers from Edmund Burke to Irving Kristol.

    The GOP threw frugality and fiscal responsibility away long ago, initially in the Reagan years, but now on a stunning scale involving trillion-dollar deficits as far as can be forecast. It abandoned most of its beliefs in fidelity and character when it embraced a liar, cheat, and philanderer as its nominee and then as president.
    There are plenty more.

    YOU may not see a difference, but THEY do.

    Sorry, the 'conservatives of today' are mere usurpers of the term.
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    Obama was a centrist with awful immigration policies.
    Suspect, he'd have rather been more left-leaning than he was and that he'd have rather had very different policies on immigration.

    I'm speculating of course.
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    Even though he said " I am Antifa " ????

    I would think the universe of Antifa falls w/in the deranged individual subset
    There is no such organization called Antifa for him to be a member of. The term loosely describes a variety of people who are vehemently opposed to fascist groups such as neo-Nazis.

    Regardless of what he said or where his sympathies lie, there he was not part of any organized ection against the detention camps. In other words, this was not the action of “Antifa”. It was the action of a single man, Willem van Spronson, a suicidal maniac.

    Mentally ill people like him are the reason for calls for background checks at gun sales, which the NRA opposes.

    There simply is no “Antifa terrorism” to condemn. This is simply a return to the scare tactics of the Trump campaign against so-called Islamic terrorism, another fabricated enemy of the people.

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    IDK, I think they're accurate
    How can terms like “radical” and “far left” be accurate when they don’t describe anything? You apparently know what you mean by them, but no one else does. “Radical” is like using the term “extremist”. It can be applied to any POV without telling you anything to describe the POV. Same with “far left”. Left of what? Doesn’t mean the same thing here as in Europe. It’s a judgment, not a description.

    We'll see in 2020

    It's clear the agenda of most candidates has moved way left

    Reparations, open borders, wealth seizure, controlling corporations etc etc
    I’m sorry, but most candidates don’t agree on the 4 items you’ve given as examples.

    But even with your list, you haven’t defined or described anything. For example, the government has already paid reparations to Japanese Americans for WW II. That’s public policy already. Do you oppose that? Do you oppose other legitimate actions in which the government would make people whole for the harm done to them by that same government?

    No one is advocating for open borders. No one.

    Over the past 30 years, there’s been a “transfer of wealth” from the bottom 50% to the top 1%. Are you in favor of that form of wealth seizure? Or the massive Trump tax cut for the wealthy that left the rest of us to pay the bills? Or the draining of the social security fund under the Clinton administration to “balance the budget” with none of it having been paid back in the past 20 years and no plan to do so in the future? There are lots of firms of wealth transfer. Without any description, no one really knows what you’re talking about.

    By “controlling corporations”, you seem to be implying that no one is controlling them now and that candidates are recommending that such out of control entities be brought under control. Is that what you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ieddyi3 View Post
    They've gone way to the left of even Obama

    Remember he ran as strict standards for asylum, was against same sex marriage, was against covering illegals under the ACA,he cast himself as a fiscal moderate,

    Not arguing the merits, and of course he governed way left of where he campaigned, but the point is that he felt he had to hide his true agenda in order to get elected. Todays D'a- exception Biden perhaps, are openly espousing far left policies
    Obama was a centrist and a disappointment to many who supported his candidacy.

    I have no idea what you mean by “governed way to the left of where he campaigned.”

    What were his “leftist” accomplishments? ACA, originally a product of the Heritage Foundation and recommended to the country in 2009 as a model for health care reform by later Republican Presidential nonominee, MIT Romney? TPP, for which Obama was later eviscerated by Laurence Tribe and a host of other petition signatories who would consider themselves on the left? The Paris Climate Accords, which was roundly criticized be environmental groups as a failure to solve the problem because it didn’t go far enough? The Iran Nuclear Treaty? At least he wan’t trading arms to them as Conservative Ronald Reagan did. Frankly, I don’t see how a treaty to reduce nuclear proliferation is either left or right. Presidents from both parties have negotiated and signed them.

    Is this what you were talking about as “governing to the left”? I’m a little fuzzy on this whole left-right thing.
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