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    Ruh-roh.

    A Department of Health investigator noted that two rooms in the Orchids of Asia Day Spa had beds as well as dressers, as well as a kitchen, indicating that people lived there.

    Two other women — Ruimei Li of Jupiter and Lixia Zhu of Stuart, both 48 — were arrested Tuesday in Martin County as part of the operation. Snyder said he expected to make dozens more arrests and that the ones Tuesday’s were “the tip of the tip of the iceberg.”

    His department focused on alleged illicit activities at the Sequoia Apple Day Spa and the Bridge Day Spa, both along Federal Highway near Bridge Road in Hobe Sound, and the Therapy Day Spa and the Cove Day Spa, both a few miles to the north on Federal in Stuart.
    Oh, and aReddit user called this yesterday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara View Post
    The quote that I posted where Bernie framed abortion as a social issue is from 2015. I know you want to make this about Mello but it's not. Bernie refused to campaign for Jon Ossoff because did not have income inequality on his list of issues. Are Democrats supposed to completely give up on trying to win elections in red states solely because of their candidate’s stance on a single issue? Apparently it's something you can pick and choose.
    Your thinking that Bernie’s support of a pro-life candidate is a disqualifying action means that it is EXACTLY about Mello. I mean what part of this quote from your own argument isn’t about Mello? He’s the only person this could even be attributed to.

    Bernie's willingness to accept and campaign for anti-choice candidates is unacceptable to me
    How many other presidential candidates to this point in time, have outright said that abortion is an economic issue and not a social one? Also in case you had forgotten, Bernie did actually endorse Ossoff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ojo View Post
    Seriously? The correlation between human trafficking and these rub & tug joints was well known even back in the 90s when I lived down there. They operate in plain sight (in areas where your Mercedes at the 4-way intersection is often the least expensive car), to attract wealthy clients. There's usually a network of them to shuffle them from location to location, too.



    Tiger Woods? My guess is somebody prominent in the golf scene.
    I said I never heard of the joints as I never went. Of course I know this is an ongoing problems further back than the 90’s in fact.
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    Trump was just asked about this. He said they are looking into it but said it seems like a long time ago and he is doing a great job now.
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    Policy!!

    Elizabeth Warren’s universal child care plan, explained
    She’s the first 2020 candidate out with a plan to make day care and preschool affordable.
    How Elizabeth Warren wants to fix American child care
    Warren’s plan — which you can read more about here — essentially takes on three big problems with the current state of American child care:

    Child care is expensive. As Warren notes, the average cost of child care in the United States can range from 9 to 36 percent of a family’s income, depending on where they live. Moody’s estimates that the typical family paying for child care spends about 10 percent of their income on it, but the challenge is especially acute for low-income families and single parents. In some states, a minimum wage worker simply would need to work more weeks than exist in a year to afford an average-priced day care.

    Most American day care is low-quality. One 2007 government survey found most day care centers in the United States to be of “fair” or “poor” quality. Journalist Jonathan Cohn did a deep dive into the state of American day care in 2013 and found, “Despite the fact that work and family life has changed profoundly in recent decades, we lack anything resembling an actual child care system ... the overall quality is wildly uneven and barely monitored, and at the lower end, it’s Dickensian.”

    Child care workers earn low wages. An estimated 2 million Americans (mostly women) work in the child care industry, taking care of 10 million young children. They earn an average hourly wage of $10.82, about one-third of what elementary school teachers make. “Early care and education has largely failed to generate sufficient wages that would allow early educators to meet their basic needs,” a report released last year by the University of California Berkeley concluded.

    Warren’s plan attempts to tackle all three of these problems at once by creating a new government subsidy. The idea is to provide grants to states, cities, nonprofits, schools, and other local partners to “create a network of child care options that would be available to every family.”

    The federal government would subsidize the cost of running those child care centers and limit families’ costs. Families earning less than 200 percent of the federal poverty line would pay nothing at all for their children’s care. For families earning more, their expected contribution would be capped at 7 percent of their income — significantly less than what many families pay right now.

    At the same time, Warren’s plan would create new, national quality standards for child care centers and raise child care workers’ wages to look similar to those of local public school teachers. All these changes would almost certainly raise both the quality and the cost of American child care, but Warren’s idea is to have the government bear those costs (especially for low-income families).

    An analysis of the Warren plan from the financial services company Moody’s estimates that the program would cost $1.7 billion over the course of a decade, with 12 million children receiving care under the new program.
    This seems like a no brainer. $1.7 billion to educate 12 million kids? Who says no to this?

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    Policy!!





    This seems like a no brainer. $1.7 billion to educate 12 million kids? Who says no to this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by trapper700 View Post
    This is exactly why this:



    is a bad opinion. Places like Nebraska, West Virginia and Indiana are extremely socially conservative states. Democrats can win there, but they have no chance if wedge issues like gun control or abortion become the hot button issue that defines the race. Democrats running there are far better off focusing on economic and fairness issues, and just keeping their mouths shut about wedge issues entirely. Because if the wedge issues become the focus, the GOP will be able to turn out the vote like crazy.

    So when given the choice of:

    A) A progressive that hits every note besides one or two democrat wedge issues (be it abortion or gun control) in a mainly red area
    B) A centrist that hits none of the notes but they'll pay lip service to social issues (when it's politically safe) and maybe (but probably won't) show some party discipline in a mainly red area

    ...I'm going with option A every single time. I don't get the warm and fuzzies because the Republican representing me wears a blue jersey. A guy like Patrick Murphy is a million times more damaging than a guy like Heath Mello. Stop demanding leftist/liberal perfection out of red state Democrats. It's incredibly selfish and it always backfires. Take the 98% agreement and run with it.
    The difference is that abortion has been specifically established by the Supreme Court - as has gun possession. Fighting for severe restrictions on guns will be seen - probably correctly - as an attempt to limit guaranteed rights. So is opposition to abortion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trapper700 View Post
    Your thinking that Bernie’s support of a pro-life candidate is a disqualifying action means that it is EXACTLY about Mello. I mean what part of this quote from your own argument isn’t about Mello? He’s the only person this could even be attributed to.



    How many other presidential candidates to this point in time, have outright said that abortion is an economic issue and not a social one? Also in case you had forgotten, Bernie did actually endorse Ossoff.
    It doesn't need to be about Mello because there are Bernie's own words. Again, Mello just proves that he means it.

    "And we have got to appreciate where people come from, and do our best to fight for the pro-choice agenda. But I think you just can't exclude people who disagree with us on one issue."
    He also referred to reproductive rights as a "big tent" issue in an interview with Joe Scarborough. Hillary and Pelosi have used those words as well and I take issue with them too.

    And no, I did not forget that he finally endorsed Ossoff but he still refused to campaign for a guy that had a good shot at turning a seat blue in a red state because he didn't include two specific words in his platform.

    So tell me. What other constitutionally granted right should I be willing to set aside for "the good of the party"? Or is it just the one that so often happens to keep women powerless and in poverty?

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    And on a related note,

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/h...arenthood.html

    The Trump administration issued a rule on Friday barring organizations that provide abortion referrals from receiving federal family planning money, a step that could cut millions of dollars in funding to Planned Parenthood and direct it toward religiously-based, anti-abortion groups.

    The rule, which has been expected for months, is almost certain to be challenged in court. It also requires organizations that receive funding under the program, called Title X, to have “physical and financial separation” between abortion-related services and programs that involve birth control or other family planning services. Organizations that receive federal funds have already been prohibited for years from using it to finance abortion services.

    The rule does not prevent Title X programs from talking about abortion with patients, just from telling them where they can obtain one. Still, women’s organizations and other critics of the move said it would interfere with health-care providers’ responsibilities to fully counsel patients about reproductive health.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara View Post
    This probably belongs buried in some NFL thread but I'm putting it here anyway.

    https://www.wcvb.com/article/patriot...sting/26429577
    Is there actual proof that these girls were being trafficked and held against their will or underage? If not than this is just two adults and a voluntary exchange.

    I know they were looking for trafficking, but i havent seen anything that says they found it in this case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jburke View Post
    Is there actual proof that these girls were being trafficked and held against their will or underage? If not than this is just two adults and a voluntary exchange.

    I know they were looking for trafficking, but i havent seen anything that says they found it in this case.
    I don’t know what you want for proof, but there’s certainly evidence.

    But Kraft isn’t charged with trafficking, he’s charged with solicitation of prostitution. Your assessment of what the law should be again fails to take into account what the law actually is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    I don’t know what you want for proof, but there’s certainly evidence.

    But Kraft isn’t charged with trafficking, he’s charged with solicitation of prostitution. Your assessment of what the law should be again fails to take into account what the law actually is.
    Im asking if there is evidence of trafficking. Big difference in prostitution and women being enslaved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jburke View Post
    Im asking if there is evidence of trafficking. Big difference in prostitution and women being enslaved.
    The women were cooking and sleeping in the massage parlors, had no access to transportation, worked 7 days a week, appeared malnourished, spoke virtually no English, and were moved from location to location.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    The women were cooking and sleeping in the massage parlors, had no access to transportation, worked 7 days a week, appeared malnourished, spoke virtually no English, and were moved from location to location.
    Yeah definitely sounds like trafficking.
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    This is going to get real ugly for Kraft and other men like him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jburke View Post
    Yeah definitely sounds like trafficking.
    It sounds like they’re treating the workers as victims rather than criminals. Kraft is being charged with a couple of misdemeanors, so i assume other clients are as well. The question would be whether they could or should have known that the workers were trafficked.

    The police have also made it clear that this was just the beginning. Many more arrests are expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    It sounds like they’re treating the workers as victims rather than criminals. Kraft is being charged with a couple of misdemeanors, so i assume other clients are as well. The question would be whether they could or should have known that the workers were trafficked.

    The police have also made it clear that this was just the beginning. Many more arrests are expected.
    Yeah it one thing to be a horny old man, and another if you knew the situation the girls were in and had anything to do with the operation.
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    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1QB1KM

    U.S. Department of Agriculture has paid out $7.7 billion so far to farmers, William Northey, Undersecretary for Farm Production and Conservation, said on Friday, in aid designed to offset the negative impact of tariff imposition.

    The administration of President Donald Trump has pledged up to $12 billion in aid to help offset losses for crops hit by retaliatory Chinese tariffs imposed in response to Washington’s tariffs on Chinese goods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara View Post
    It doesn't need to be about Mello because there are Bernie's own words. Again, Mello just proves that he means it.

    He also referred to reproductive rights as a "big tent" issue in an interview with Joe Scarborough. Hillary and Pelosi have used those words as well and I take issue with them too.

    So tell me. What other constitutionally granted right should I be willing to set aside for "the good of the party"? Or is it just the one that so often happens to keep women powerless and in poverty?
    The problem here is that the time to get rid of anti-choice candidates like Mello is in the primary. I agree that Democrats should not feel forced to vote for guys like him and that guys like him should not represent the party. But the fact of the matter is that they already did against presumably "better" Democratic candidates, and he advanced to the general election. Once a candidate like him is at the general election and was chosen to represent the party by his constituents, should the voters and the party just stop supporting him?

    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara View Post
    And no, I did not forget that he finally endorsed Ossoff but he still refused to campaign for a guy that had a good shot at turning a seat blue in a red state because he didn't include two specific words in his platform.
    Do you have a link for this? AFAIK all Bernie did that he got criticized for was answer a "gotcha" question by the Wall Street Journal, when they asked him if he thought that Ossoff is a progressive. That's not the same thing as "refusing to campaign." Also some articles in my Google search of this also say that Sanders did campaign for Ossoff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trapper700 View Post
    The problem here is that the time to get rid of anti-choice candidates like Mello is in the primary. I agree that Democrats should not feel forced to vote for guys like him and that guys like him should not represent the party. But the fact of the matter is that they already did against presumably "better" Democratic candidates, and he advanced to the general election. Once a candidate like him is at the general election and was chosen to represent the party by his constituents, should the voters and the party just stop supporting him?



    Do you have a link for this? AFAIK all Bernie did that he got criticized for was answer a "gotcha" question by the Wall Street Journal, when they asked him if he thought that Ossoff is a progressive. That's not the same thing as "refusing to campaign." Also some articles in my Google search of this also say that Sanders did campaign for Ossoff.
    I"m not going to spend time looking for anything on Ossoff. More recently, though, you can see that Bernie has been very selective about who he will endorse. I respect that. He should endorse people he believes in which makes it even more hurtful that he is willing to "big tent" reproductive rights.

    Who is Bernie Sanders Endorsing in 2018 Midterms

    I don't think the party should support any candidate that endorses taking away a woman's reproductive freedom. The Democratic Party platform very clearly states that women have "a right to safe and legal abortion". It also promises that the party will oppose "laws and policies that impede a woman’s access to abortion.” Tom Perez briefly wavered on that as well. Public outcry pushed him to back off his statement. If individual democrats feel differently, that is up to them. I don't think the party should kick them to the curb or demonize them but I don't think they should actively support them either. The party will ultimately be stronger if they stand firm on their core values.

    Again, what other constitutionally granted right should I be willing to set aside for "the good of the party"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara View Post
    I"m not going to spend time looking for anything on Ossoff. More recently, though, you can see that Bernie has been very selective about who he will endorse. I respect that. He should endorse people he believes in which makes it even more hurtful that he is willing to "big tent" reproductive rights.

    Who is Bernie Sanders Endorsing in 2018 Midterms

    I don't think the party should support any candidate that endorses taking away a woman's reproductive freedom. The Democratic Party platform very clearly states that women have "a right to safe and legal abortion". It also promises that the party will oppose "laws and policies that impede a woman’s access to abortion.” Tom Perez briefly wavered on that as well. Public outcry pushed him to back off his statement. If individual democrats feel differently, that is up to them. I don't think the party should kick them to the curb or demonize them but I don't think they should actively support them either. The party will ultimately be stronger if they stand firm on their core values.

    Again, what other constitutionally granted right should I be willing to set aside for "the good of the party"?
    Well, Bernie doesn’t do much of anything for “the good of the party,” since he’s not even a Democrat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara View Post
    I"m not going to spend time looking for anything on Ossoff. More recently, though, you can see that Bernie has been very selective about who he will endorse. I respect that. He should endorse people he believes in which makes it even more hurtful that he is willing to "big tent" reproductive rights.

    Who is Bernie Sanders Endorsing in 2018 Midterms

    I don't think the party should support any candidate that endorses taking away a woman's reproductive freedom. The Democratic Party platform very clearly states that women have "a right to safe and legal abortion". It also promises that the party will oppose "laws and policies that impede a woman’s access to abortion.” Tom Perez briefly wavered on that as well. Public outcry pushed him to back off his statement. If individual democrats feel differently, that is up to them. I don't think the party should kick them to the curb or demonize them but I don't think they should actively support them either. The party will ultimately be stronger if they stand firm on their core values.

    Again, what other constitutionally granted right should I be willing to set aside for "the good of the party"?
    This point of view, though, is a guarantee that the party will lose elections in red states and districts. I really dislike Joe Manchin, but I honestly doubt any other democrat is going to be able to win in West Virginia any time soon and as much as it sucks - they absolutely need him to caucus with them. Should they kick him out of the party and risk choosing to primarily side with Republicans and caucus with them?

    I'm all for making sure that the party stands firm on their stance on abortion, but like I said the time to make sure that their prospective candidates are firm on this is during the primary season. Vote out all the anti-choice candidates in the primaries, but if the voters choose one anyway, they have to be supported by the party and not just abandoned. Especially in elections against Republicans who are worse for everything else, not just this issue.

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    Well, Bernie doesn’t do much of anything for “the good of the party,” since he’s not even a Democrat.
    Which party does he always caucus with again? Oh that’s right, the Democrats. If you don’t want his support, then the Senate would be stilted even further towards the Republicans. But maybe you’re happy with there being only 45 “registered Democrats” in the Senate. Or would you rather he run as an Independent and take votes away from whoever you consider to be a "true" Democrat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trapper700 View Post
    This point of view, though, is a guarantee that the party will lose elections in red states and districts. I really dislike Joe Manchin, but I honestly doubt any other democrat is going to be able to win in West Virginia any time soon and as much as it sucks - they absolutely need him to caucus with them. Should they kick him out of the party and risk choosing to primarily side with Republicans and caucus with them?

    I'm all for making sure that the party stands firm on their stance on abortion, but like I said the time to make sure that their prospective candidates are firm on this is during the primary season. Vote out all the anti-choice candidates in the primaries, but if the voters choose one anyway, they have to be supported by the party and not just abandoned. Especially in elections against Republicans who are worse for everything else, not just this issue.
    A significant majority of the country supports reproductive rights. You can lose the one-issue voter and win in red states if you appeal to wants and needs of the rest of the populace. And I think I was pretty clear that I don't think the party should be kicking anyone out. But I don't think the party should actively back someone that is anti-choice any more than they would support someone that is anti-civil rights. There are times when you have to take a moral stand.

    Interesting take on WV since you brought it up. Why ‘Trump country’ isn’t as Republican as you think

    Still curious as to what other constitutionally granted rights I should be willing to set aside for "the good of the party".

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