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    Quote Originally Posted by Maynerd View Post
    How many people in California get their health insurance paid for by their employer? Do you really think the employers are going to take the money previously paid to health insurance, and provide it as additional wages to their employees? If not, taxes for those employees will skyrocket, to pay for what was previously provided by their employer.


    Want to raise the minimum wage to $15? Great, but have the workers send $5 of those to Sacramento to pay for someone else's college and someone else's medical expenses. I don't think that will be well-received.


    OK. They also have an annual deficit of $1,600,000,000. Given their already-high tax rates, the State of California hasn't proven to be an effective steward of its taxpayers' dollars. They're going to take over statewide health care, and suddenly live within its means? Doubtful.


    http://www.latimes.com/politics/esse...htmlstory.html
    Even more reason to try it. Other countries do healthcare cheaper and more efficiently with much better results
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    SJW - bad attempt at insulting people that care about other's rights and not just their own.

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    http://www.wisn.com/article/sheriff-...sition/9868293

    Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke just confirmed he is leaving the Sheriff's Office to become deputy secretary of Department of Homeland Security.
    Gross.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara View Post
    Awesome

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    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...-larry-krasner
    Philadelphia just became one of the few cities to take among the surest steps possible to unravel mass incarceration.

    On Tuesday, a very progressive candidate, Larry Krasner, won the Democratic primary election in the district attorney’s race. In a city that’s heavily Democratic, the victory all but guarantees the criminal defense attorney will be the next prosecutor for the city, which is the fifth most populous in the US.
    It is a stunning victory in a city that elected Lynne Abraham — once dubbed the “deadliest DA” in America by the New York Times — four times in a row. Krasner campaigned on the most progressive agenda of all the candidates, promising to end “mass incarceration” by effectively starving the criminal justice system. He vowed never to ask for cash bail for nonviolent offenders, pursue the death penalty, or bring cases based on illegal searches. He also said he would expand the city’s drug courts and diversion programs for low-level offenders.
    It’s exactly these types of elections that will decide the future of incarceration. While much media attention has gone to the federal system and attempts to reform it, the great majority of incarceration occurs at the local and state level: The latest data by the US Bureau of Justice Statistics shows that about 87 percent of US inmates are held in state prisons.

    Prosecutors are very powerful in these systems. They effectively decide who goes to prison and who doesn’t, and how long someone will go to prison for — by unilaterally choosing what charges to bring against anyone.

    Yet even as the movement for criminal justice reform has built up around the nation, prosecutors have largely avoided the spotlight as some of the main drivers of mass incarceration. Krasner’s election, along with some other elections we’ve seen in the past year, show that may be changing.

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    Good!
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    Whatever happened to the days when if you did the crime, you suffered the consequence? Now go out and break into 100 cars, get caught, it's not a violent offfense, so probation. Go out and keep doing it and get caught again, double secret probation. Steal somebody personal documents and steal their identity and run up thousands of dollars on their credit, no big deal it's not violent. Maybe a drug habit was the reason you did it, so put you into drug court and DON'T DO IT AGAIN Or you'll be in real trouble, might even get 30 days to serve then. Meanwhile that non-violent crime has had a tremendous negative impact on the victim's life but hey no worries, sort it out yourself because crime does pay.....as long as you keep committing non-violent felonies and misdemeanors.

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    Meet Philadelphia’s Progressive Candidate for DA: An Interview With Larry Krasner

    The situation has gotten urgent. When you have more people in jail than any country in the world, that’s a problem. When you have more people of color in jail than South Africa had during apartheid, that’s a problem. When you have the most incarcerated city of the 10 largest cities in the United States, that’s a problem. When you have more people doing life sentences whose homicides were committed as juveniles than any state in the country and any country in the world, that’s a problem. We have gotten to the point where it should be pretty obvious something has to change, right?
    There’s this idea that there are just two categories of people, the violent ones and the nonviolent ones, and all the nonviolent ones are deserving of compassion and all the violent ones are monolithically evil. Let me tell you something that’s nonviolent that I think is pretty damn intrusive and awful: economically preying on vulnerable victims by identity theft, by taking advantage of elderly people in contracting, by the epidemic we have in Philadelphia of stealing houses by manufacturing phony deeds — I think that those things hurt a little bit more than a black eye in many ways, and yet we think in binary terms, violent, nonviolent. We need to be much more victim-centered and survivor-centered when we think of these crimes, and not equate a bar fight with mass murder, or something that is incredibly intrusive, like identity theft, with other nonviolent offenses that really don’t affect anyone, like the possession of marijuana.
    The whole interview is good. I like him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2JAY View Post
    Whatever happened to the days when if you did the crime, you suffered the consequence? Now go out and break into 100 cars, get caught, it's not a violent offfense, so probation. Go out and keep doing it and get caught again, double secret probation. Steal somebody personal documents and steal their identity and run up thousands of dollars on their credit, no big deal it's not violent. Maybe a drug habit was the reason you did it, so put you into drug court and DON'T DO IT AGAIN Or you'll be in real trouble, might even get 30 days to serve then. Meanwhile that non-violent crime has had a tremendous negative impact on the victim's life but hey no worries, sort it out yourself because crime does pay.....as long as you keep committing non-violent felonies and misdemeanors.
    Well, the way it stands now, that's exactly what happens if you have enough money to make bail. But if you don't - even if you didn't actually do it - you get to go to jail for however long it takes for them to get around to you. Or you can cut a deal just to get out, even if you didn't do it. The cash bail system doesn't stop crime and isn't about punishing criminals for their crimes (they haven't been convicted of anything). It just keeps poor people in jail.
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    Well, the way it stands now, that's exactly what happens if you have enough money to make bail. But if you don't - even if you didn't actually do it - you get to go to jail for however long it takes for them to get around to you. Or you can cut a deal just to get out, even if you didn't do it. The cash bail system doesn't stop crime and isn't about punishing criminals for their crimes (they haven't been convicted of anything). It just keeps poor people in jail.
    Exactly. Another fact. The US has one fifth the population of China who we refer to as a human rights violator, and five times the incarceration rate. Pathetic.
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    Exactly. Another fact. The US has one fifth the population of China who we refer to as a human rights violator, and five times the incarceration rate. Pathetic.
    You can violate people's right without putting them in jail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    Well, the way it stands now, that's exactly what happens if you have enough money to make bail. But if you don't - even if you didn't actually do it - you get to go to jail for however long it takes for them to get around to you. Or you can cut a deal just to get out, even if you didn't do it. The cash bail system doesn't stop crime and isn't about punishing criminals for their crimes (they haven't been convicted of anything). It just keeps poor people in jail.
    Here we do not have a bail bondsman system as if you are arrested, bail is determined by the charge/history only. And over the years, the bail amounts have been reduced, using DUI as an example, which used to be $2,500 if you were arrested. It was an almost guaranteed that you would spend the night in jail and not get back onto the roads. Now it has been reduced to $500, or less, and from what we have experienced, is that it is taking longer for an Officer to complete the paperwork than it takes to get out of jail. Numerous times I have passed by the arrest location less than 2 hours, only to find that the car is now gone because they got driven back to their car, which I cannot automatically tow, and driven it home.
    From my experience, it has been rare to have someone sit in jail for an excessive amount of time because they could not make bail. Rather, what is common, is dealing with the same offenders who are committing multiple crimes, getting arrested for those same crimes over and again, and getting no real punishment. and over the years, Kentucky with HB 463, have reduced the arrest powers of misdemeanor crimes that are committed in my presence, and thus we have seen a large increase in non-violent property crimes. And the state as a whole has had difficulty treating those subjects, who often have addiction issues and steal to support the habit, with drug court as they simply go back to committing crimes which they are not getting any real punishment for. Thus it simply has become a catch and release system with no solutions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2JAY View Post
    Thus it simply has become a catch and release system with no solutions.
    It sure sounds like something is broken with the system you describe.

    I'm not an expert but it seems like there should be some happy medium between drug treatment for those who need it, leniency on certain non-violent crime, but being tougher on repeat offenders even if it is non violent in nature.

    And as Tex pointed out excerpts from the interview she linked, the guy wasn't advocating leniency for all non-violent crime (such as identity theft and mortgage fraud among others).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    It sure sounds like something is broken with the system you describe.

    I'm not an expert but it seems like there should be some happy medium between drug treatment for those who need it, leniency on certain non-violent crime, but being tougher on repeat offenders even if it is non violent in nature.

    And as Tex pointed out excerpts from the interview she linked, the guy wasn't advocating leniency for all non-violent crime (such as identity theft and mortgage fraud among others).
    For drugs they need a strong line in dealing with dealers vs. users. Dealers go ahead and lock them up. Users as you said may simply be ill
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    Quote Originally Posted by YankeePride1967 View Post
    Even more reason to try it. Other countries do healthcare cheaper and more efficiently with much better results
    our health care is considerably cheaper and can be accessed by everyone. so is our higher education system.

    actually, this goes for pretty much every other developed world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajra21 View Post
    our health care is considerably cheaper and can be accessed by everyone. so is our higher education system.

    actually, this goes for pretty much every other developed world.
    But because if our irrational and illogical fear of government we insist upon paying more for less.
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    Hey, Roger Ailes died. Ho hum. A demon got his horns this morning.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/enter...mepage%2Fstory

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    Hey, Roger Ailes died. Ho hum. A demon got his horns this morning.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/enter...mepage%2Fstory
    Rupert Murdoch next, please.
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    Rupert Murdoch next, please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Coffee View Post
    You can violate people's right without putting them in jail.
    I didn't see him say otherwise.

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    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...ongress-238550

    Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) is expected announce Thursday that he is resigning before the end of this congressional term, according to three sources familiar with his plans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RhodyYanksFan View Post
    Hey, Roger Ailes died. Ho hum. A demon got his horns this morning.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/enter...mepage%2Fstory
    Smart move from a legal perspective.

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    As has been well documented, I disagree with many of you about racism. We're in agreement that it's based entirely on ignorance, but we tend to disagree about whether "power" plays a predominant part, or if it's just a matter of making a value judgment on a person based solely on his skin color.


    Colorado University is predominantly white. Only 2% of the student population is African American (compared to 4.5% for the State). The University is in Boulder, which is only about 1% African American (and 90% wealthy). This all makes it extremely difficult to applaud diversity.


    So, the University is taking a residence hall, and segregating it to black students, black-identified students (good grief), and their allies (whatever that means). The purpose is to provide a “supportive, social and communal space for students” who identify with “elements of the African & Black Diaspora.”


    http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/11/ta...-black-people/


    Students gain access to artifacts, critical conversation and educational programming that create an inclusive and productive atmosphere within the residence hall. We hope to foster a community of diversity and communication not only in Hallett but all across campus. We are beyond excited for the introduction of this new program and the opportunity to build communities grounded in intercultural dialogue.
    So, what do we think of this? Our "melting pot" has homogenized many unique cultures. This is clearly an effort to protect African and African-American culture from being absorbed by that melting pot. It's also clear that the intent is to provide a place where certain commonalities leave a minority group in a position of influence.


    But, on the other hand, doesn't this fly in the face of Brown vs. Board of Education? Is segregation only bad when it's implemented by the majority? And even in this case, despite the intentions, isn't the segregation being implemented by the white majority? Does it make a difference what the majority's intentions were? Does a segregated dormitory "foster a community of diversity" or does it do just the opposite? Is this "grounded in intercultural dialogue" or is it an impediment to such dialogue?


    Personally, I'd prefer a color-blind society. One where we make value judgments on a person based on their character and interests, rather than by the color of their skin. Dr King said as much. Isn't this dormitory a step in the wrong direction?

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    So he'd rather wax philosophically and spew propaganda on Fox "News" instead of maybe go down as the guy who brought down Trump?

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    Isn't this dormitory a step in the wrong direction?
    I'd say so.

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