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    Have I mentioned how much the New York Times pisses me off these days?

    The pitched battle looming over the Supreme Court, along with a jolt to the Democratic leadership at the ballot box last Tuesday, is threatening to shatter the already fragile architecture of the Democratic Party, as an activist rebellion on the left and a lurch to the right in Washington propels the party toward a moment of extraordinary conflict and forced reinvention.
    I'm not sure what this means. I don't think Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is about to destroy the party.

    Mr. Trump’s divisive and at times demagogic presidency has ignited much of the liberal upheaval, driving many left-of-center voters on to a kind of ideological war footing. That has translated into a surge in outsider candidates in the midterms who are pressuring Democratic leaders to support an ambitious liberal platform that includes single-payer health care, free college tuition and the abolition of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency.
    Ah. I see. The threat to the party is asking them to, y'know, take a stand on something. Ocasio-Cortez, btw, is no fool. She takes those positions but isn't "pressuring Democratic leaders." She thinks Democratic candidates should move as far left as possible in safely blue districts, but is emphatically not suggesting that they should take this platform in swing districts. She also doesn't really think this is an agenda that will pass in the near future, just one she believes in and that she can get elected on.

    With former President Barack Obama evincing little appetite to reclaim a leadership role and no clear 2020 presidential front-runner, Democrats lack a commanding figure to oversee strategy and help bridge the internal fissures in the party.
    Why does the party need a commanding voice? Why does the party necessarily want a safe, established leader to guide them into the midterms? Why do they even need a unified platform, as opposed to running district by district?

    And while relentless confrontation with the White House and noisy protests might animate the rising Democratic coalition, they will not lead to success at the polls if the party cannot harness the fury.
    So activism is good, but...civility!

    “The key is translating these public demonstrations and marches into electoral activism and then government activism,” said Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio, a Democrat.
    Cool. We need government activism. How about, say, you, Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio?

    What worries some Democratic elders, though, is that activists will harbor unrealistic expectations of what sort of policies newly elected progressive lawmakers can push through in a still-divided capital.
    Not. Stupid. People.

    Representative Cedric Richmond of Louisiana said...he wished his party had a moderating influence to counter Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, the democratic socialist who has been at the front end of the party’s turn left.

    “Bernie is fighting for his principles on what direction the party should go,” he said, “but we don’t really have anybody doing it on behalf of moderates and other Democrats. It has become a one-sided conversation.”
    Cool. What exactly is the message that moderate Democrats are trying to put out there, other than "let's be moderate?" I'm more than willing to listen to the message, but there doesn't seem to be one. And if someone needs to step up fight for those elusive moderate principles, how about...you, Representative Cedric Richmond of Louisiana?

    If I understand the article as a whole, the Democrats need to reinvent themselves with a new vision and new voices and new activism, but they need to do that without upsetting the established leadership and without being too loud or pushy about it. Or something.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/u...tic-party.html
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    "One of?"
    Sure. Trump exists, after all.

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    You can but I’m not sure you have the authority to do anything should (when) I refuse.
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    Filing your taxes just got a little less taxing. @USTreasury unveiled the new return for 2019, and as promised, it’s the size of a postcard.

    1:22 PM - 29 Jun 2018
    Awesome. But wait! There's more!

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/y...-postcard.html

    The Trump administration’s new “postcard” tax form still must be mailed in an envelope, unless you want your neighbors to see your Social Security number. It will save a little bit of time for some taxpayers but could add pages more paperwork for millions of others.

    A draft copy of the new version of the standard 1040 income tax form, obtained by The New York Times, shows the administration has succeeded in its goal of shrinking the form that most Americans send to the Internal Revenue Service every year. The new form eliminates more than half of the 78 line items from the previous form, reducing it from two full pages of text to one double-sided half page.
    Smaller is not necessarily simpler. The new form omits a variety of popular deductions, including those for student loan interest and teaching supplies, forcing taxpayers to search for them — and tally them up — on one of six accompanying worksheets. It does the same for business income, capital gains and several other forms of income. It includes a dedicated line for the expanded child tax credit, but not one for child care expenses.
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    And do they mention that it’s now printed in agate type?

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    The Millennial Socialists Are Coming

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/06/3...imes&smtyp=cur

    In May, three young progressive women running for the state Legislature in Pennsylvania, each endorsed by the Democratic Socialists of America, won decisive primary victories over men heavily favored by the political establishment. Two of the women, Summer Lee, 30, and Sara Innamorato, 32, ousted incumbents, the distant cousins Dom Costa and Paul Costa, members of an iconic Pennsylvania political family.

    Elizabeth Fiedler, 37, announced her run three months after giving birth to her second child, and she had a nursery in her Philadelphia campaign office so other parents could drop off their kids before canvassing shifts. Talking to voters, she spoke of depending on Medicaid and CHIP for her kids’ health insurance, and of the anxiety she felt during two weeks when their insurance lapsed.

    Lee was open about the more than $200,000 in student loans that have weighed on her since graduating from law school, which gave her a visceral sense, she told me, of the “need for free, quality education for everybody.” (An African-American woman running in a largely white district, she ended up with 68 percent of the vote.) Innamorato spoke about how her father’s opioid addiction had pushed her and her mother from the middle class. “I’ve lived the struggles of my district,” she told me.

    Their races were part of a grass-roots civic renewal that is happening across this country, something that is, for me, the sole source of optimism in this very dark time. Marinating in the news in New York City, I’m often sick with despair. An authoritarian president of dubious legitimacy and depraved character is poised to remake America for generations with a second Supreme Court pick. The federal government is a festival of kleptocratic impunity. Kids the same age as my own are ripped from their migrant parents.

    But all over the nation, people, particularly women, are working with near supernatural energy to rebuild democracy from the ground up, finding ways to exercise political power however they can. For the middle-aged suburbanites who are the backbone of the anti-Trump resistance, that often means shoring up the Democratic Party. For younger people who see Donald Trump’s election as the apotheosis of a rotten political and economic system, it often means trying to remake that party as a vehicle for democratic socialism.
    Many of the D.S.A.’s goals, reflected in Ocasio-Cortez’s platform, are indistinguishable from those of progressive democrats. But if the D.S.A. is happy to work alongside liberals, its members are generally serious about the “socialist” part of democratic socialist. Its constitution envisions “a humane social order based on popular control of resources and production, economic planning, equitable distribution, feminism, racial equality and non-oppressive relationships.”

    Talk of popular control of the means of production is anathema to many older Democrats, even very liberal ones. It plays a lot better with the young; one recent survey shows that 61 percent of Democrats between 18 and 34 view socialism positively. The combination of the Great Recession, the rising cost of education, the unreliability of health insurance and the growing precariousness of the workplace has left young people with gnawing material insecurity. They have no memory of the widespread failure of Communism, but the failures of capitalism are all around them.
    “The Trump disaster is that everyone feels threatened individually, and feels like they have to fight Trump and fight this administration,” Arielle Cohen, the Pittsburgh D.S.A.’s 29-year-old co-chair, told me as I sat with her and two other chapter leaders in a small coffee shop in the city’s East End. “And socialists are saying, this has actually been going on for a long time. It’s not just Trump. It’s not just who’s in office.”

    There is a strange sort of comfort in this perspective; the socialists see themselves as building the world they want to live in decades in the future rather than just scrambling to avert catastrophe in the present.
    After Ocasio-Cortez’s win, Pelosi denied Republican claims that socialism is ascendant in the Democratic Party. It’s hard to blame her for being defensive, since for generations “socialist” was considered a slur, and it’s one that’s hurled at Democrats indiscriminately. But I think she’s wrong. There are more candidates like Ocasio-Cortez out there, and the Democrats should welcome them. It needs their youth and zeal and willingness to do the work of rebuilding the party as a neighborhood institution. And they’re coming, whether the party’s leadership likes it or not.
    “If what we did here in Pennsylvania shows anything, it’s that we can do that,” she said. “We can go up against the establishment. We can support our own candidacies. We can run positive campaigns. We can do all that, and we can actually win. And then we can do it again, and we can do it everywhere.”
    The whole article is worth reading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlw1980 View Post
    The Millennial Socialists Are Coming

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/06/3...imes&smtyp=cur

    The whole article is worth reading.
    The rub is, if these candidates all lose in the general, severe harm will have been done to the greater goal of controlling the state legislature. If they win, then it's a trend and time to celebrate. If not, it's an unfortunate and counter-productive aberration. I hope they win, and I have not looked to see how competitive these districts are, but I bet the Rs are excited about their new opponents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theDurk View Post
    The rub is, if these candidates all lose in the general, severe harm will have been done to the greater goal of controlling the state legislature. If they win, then it's a trend and time to celebrate. If not, it's an unfortunate and counter-productive aberration. I hope they win, and I have not looked to see how competitive these districts are, but I bet the Rs are excited about their new opponents.
    This gets back to what Ocasio-Cortez said, and this time I'll quote her directly rather than relying on my aging memory:

    Molly Jong-Fast
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    Luckily, ⁦@Ocasio2018⁩ isn’t running in a swing district.

    5:07 AM - 30 Jun 2018
    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
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    A major point of my campaign: in the safest blue seats in America, we should have leaders swinging for the most ambitious ideas possible for working-class Americans.

    You’re largely not going to get gutsy risk-taking from swing-district seats.

    So it’s not luck. It’s mindfulness.

    6:08 AM - 30 Jun 2018
    More precisely, you shouldn't be getting gutsy risk-taking from swing-district seats. As I said above, she clearly does not represent the imminent destruction of the Democratic party; she's a very young but very savvy politician who understands about the art of the possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theDurk View Post
    The rub is, if these candidates all lose in the general, severe harm will have been done to the greater goal of controlling the state legislature. If they win, then it's a trend and time to celebrate. If not, it's an unfortunate and counter-productive aberration. I hope they win, and I have not looked to see how competitive these districts are, but I bet the Rs are excited about their new opponents.
    The folks highlighted in the article are in safe Democratic districts. As John and Ocasio-Cortez said, you don't run these folks in swing districts. In places where the D will undoubtedly win, though? Go left.
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    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...protest-689657

    Man goes to protest on Saturday and yells “womp womp” and is arrested as he was carrying a gun which you can’t do near a protest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlw1980 View Post
    Because of the EC, a presidential vote in Wyoming is worth 362% more than a vote in California.
    Each California voter is providing input for which way a block of 55 EC votes is going. Each Wyoming voter is providing input for which way THREE EC votes are going.

    No way the Wyoming voter has more clout than the California voter. California has the power to tip an election. Wyoming does not, and never will.

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    America, the only country where land and not people decides the presidency. If it were up to me I wouldn’t even have States
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maynerd View Post
    Each California voter is providing input for which way a block of 55 EC votes is going. Each Wyoming voter is providing input for which way THREE EC votes are going.

    No way the Wyoming voter has more clout than the California voter. California has the power to tip an election. Wyoming does not, and never will.
    Here’s another way to break it down (which I suspect is no more valid):

    In 2016, there were 14,000,000 votes cast in California, 256,000 in Wyoming. That would make each vote in California worth .000004 electoral votes, while each vote in Wyoming was worth .000011 electoral votes.

    California as a whole has more input, but each vote in Wyoming is worth more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    Here’s another way to break it down (which I suspect is no more valid):

    In 2016, there were 14,000,000 votes cast in California, 256,000 in Wyoming. That would make each vote in California worth .000004 electoral votes, while each vote in Wyoming was worth .000011 electoral votes.

    California as a whole has more input, but each vote in Wyoming is worth more.
    Yes, thanks.
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    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/07/0...gtype=Homepage

    López Obrador, an Atypical Leftist, Wins Mexico Presidency in Landslide

    MEXICO CITY — Riding a wave of populist anger fueled by rampant corruption and violence, the leftist Andrés Manuel López Obrador was elected president of Mexico on Sunday, in a landslide victory that upended the nation’s political establishment and handed him a sweeping mandate to reshape the country.

    Mr. López Obrador’s victory puts a leftist leader at the helm of Latin America’s second-largest economy for the first time in decades, a prospect that has filled millions of Mexicans with hope — and the nation’s elites with trepidation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    California as a whole has more input, but each vote in Wyoming is worth more.
    They are, but to the tune of thousandths of a percent. The claim that a Wyoming vote is 362% more powerful than a California vote is a gross overstatement.

    [Pre-emptive strike....you're a gross overstatement. Too easy.]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maynerd View Post
    They are, but to the tune of thousandths of a percent. The claim that a Wyoming vote is 362% more powerful than a California vote is a gross overstatement.

    [Pre-emptive strike....you're a gross overstatement. Too easy.]
    Yes, too easy. You’re thousandths of a percent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maynerd View Post
    They are, but to the tune of thousandths of a percent. The claim that a Wyoming vote is 362% more powerful than a California vote is a gross overstatement.

    [Pre-emptive strike....you're a gross overstatement. Too easy.]
    Well, of course the impact of each vote is tiny, and perhaps it’s an overstatement. But to say that a vote in California has more influence because of the number of electoral votes is more deceptive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maynerd View Post
    Each California voter is providing input for which way a block of 55 EC votes is going. Each Wyoming voter is providing input for which way THREE EC votes are going.

    No way the Wyoming voter has more clout than the California voter. California has the power to tip an election. Wyoming does not, and never will.
    Keep believing that fiction and nothing will ever change in US politics.

    You only need to look at New Hampshire in 2000 where just 7,211 votes swung it's 4 EVs to Bush and enough to tip the election when the SC decided to elect Bush in a 5-4 vote.
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    The excess power yielded by small states in Presidential elections is trivial compared to what goes on in the Senate, particularly as regards to Senate-only powers: cabinet appointments, treaties, judges. Proposals to split California in pieces would triple or quadruple the power of a California voter in the US Senate.
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    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/01/w...t-ghettos.html

    When Rokhaia Naassan gives birth in the coming days, she and her baby boy will enter a new category in the eyes of Danish law. Because she lives in a low-income immigrant neighborhood described by the government as a “ghetto,” Rokhaia will be what the Danish newspapers call a “ghetto parent” and he will be a “ghetto child.”

    Starting at the age of 1, “ghetto children” must be separated from their families for at least 25 hours a week, not including nap time, for mandatory instruction in “Danish values,” including the traditions of Christmas and Easter, and Danish language. Noncompliance could result in a stoppage of welfare payments. Other Danish citizens are free to choose whether to enroll children in preschool up to the age of six.

    Denmark’s government is introducing a new set of laws to regulate life in 25 low-income and heavily Muslim enclaves, saying that if families there do not willingly merge into the country’s mainstream, they should be compelled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    Keep believing that fiction and nothing will ever change in US politics.

    You only need to look at New Hampshire in 2000 where just 7,211 votes swung it's 4 EVs to Bush and enough to tip the election when the SC decided to elect Bush in a 5-4 vote.
    Irony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theDurk View Post
    The excess power yielded by small states in Presidential elections is trivial compared to what goes on in the Senate, particularly as regards to Senate-only powers: cabinet appointments, treaties, judges. Proposals to split California in pieces would triple or quadruple the power of a California voter in the US Senate.
    Good point. It's all wrong, though.

    That's really disgusting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maynerd View Post
    Irony.
    It's not ironic at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maynerd View Post
    Irony.
    So you dispute a swing of less than 8000 votes in one small state would have changed the president in 2000. Interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    So you dispute a swing of less than 8000 votes in one small state would have changed the president in 2000. Interesting.
    See the bolded. I dispute the notion that in Bush vs. Gore the SCOTUS ELECTED Bush.

    Keep believing that fiction....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maynerd View Post
    See the bolded. I dispute the notion that in Bush vs. Gore the SCOTUS ELECTED Bush.

    Keep believing that fiction....
    I honestly don't know if a recount would have been for Bush or Gore but we will never know for sure because of a 5-4 SCOUTS ruling. There is no fiction in that.
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