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    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara View Post
    According to Kevin McCarthy the GOP is showing their benevolence. Drug users really just need a little incentive. Boot straps. https://www.majorityleader.gov/2017/...-testing-rule/
    You'd think feeding children would be great incentive for all these guys to *not* withhold benefits to those that need them.

    But you know: pro-life up until the moment the child is born. Then get to work or die, you lazy welfare queen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregorius Chant View Post
    You'd think feeding children would be great incentive for all these guys to *not* withhold benefits to those that need them.

    But you know: pro-life up until the moment the child is born. Then get to work or die, you lazy welfare queen.
    Good grief.


    The regulation that was overturned didn't even exist until last September. So, did the previous administration not care about feeding the children for the first seven and a half years?


    Welfare and unemployment come from the state. Shouldn't it be the states, and not the federal government, that devise any rules as far as eligibility goes? Personally, I don't see drug testing to be financially reasonable, but if a state wants to implement such a policy, why should the federal government interfere?


    And finally, if recipients are properly feeding their kids, what's the risk here? The only people who would have payments jeopardized would be those who are taking the money to buy drugs INSTEAD of using it to feed their kids.


    When one party eliminates a six-month old regulation, they're not trying to take food away from starving kids. Your oversimplification is laughable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maynerd View Post
    Good grief.


    The regulation that was overturned didn't even exist until last September. So, did the previous administration not care about feeding the children for the first seven and a half years?
    Repealing it is an aggressive stance vs something that was in place.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maynerd View Post
    Welfare and unemployment come from the state. Shouldn't it be the states, and not the federal government, that devise any rules as far as eligibility goes? Personally, I don't see drug testing to be financially reasonable, but if a state wants to implement such a policy, why should the federal government interfere?


    And finally, if recipients are properly feeding their kids, what's the risk here? The only people who would have payments jeopardized would be those who are taking the money to buy drugs INSTEAD of using it to feed their kids.


    When one party eliminates a six-month old regulation, they're not trying to take food away from starving kids. Your oversimplification is laughable.
    You're making a leap that the money is going to drugs.

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    More on the drug testing with a little background.

    http://www.latimes.com/business/hilt...317-story.html

    The idea of drug-testing unemployment applicants gained momentum during the last recession, when some states began to see it as a tool for reducing the soaring cost of unemployment benefits. “Their hypothesis (without any facts or data to back it up) was that claims would somehow substantially decrease, either as workers tested positive for drugs or declined to apply because of their drug use,” according to a survey by the National Employment Law Project.

    They were blocked by the Social Security Act, which governs federal unemployment programs and forbids states to add legal obstacles to collecting benefits, unless they’re closely related to the cause of a worker’s unemployment. In 2012, the Obama administration struck a compromise deal that allowed states to test unemployment applicants in two situations — applicants who had lost their jobs for a drug-related cause, and those looking for work in fields that already tended to test workers. It was left up to the Labor Department to define those fields, and it did so in 2016. The list included occupations that require carrying a firearm, commercial drivers, aviation flight crews and air traffic controllers, railroad operating crews, and a few others under the jurisdiction of federal or state safety agencies.

    Republicans immediately started complaining that the list was too narrow. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), called the regulation “yet another example of the blatant executive overreach that characterized the Obama administration.” His discontent, and others’, led to the measure sent to Trump.

    Three problems exist with giving states nearly unlimited authority to drug-test unemployment claimants, as the GOP wishes. One is that such programs already have been ruled unconstitutional. For example, federal courts blocked Florida’s attempt to drug-test all applicants for Temporary Assistance to Needy Families, or TANF, in 2013 and again in 2014.

    The courts ruled that the state hadn’t produced a smidgen of evidence that drug use was especially prevalent among TANF applicants — indeed, in one study the state had discovered that drug use among the TANF population was lower than among Floridians in general. That rendered the drug-testing an unconstitutional warrantless search, the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals found. “Citizens do not abandon all hope of privacy by applying for government assistance,” it declared.

    Among states that have managed to evade judicial roadblocks, the record shows that testing yields low numbers of drug users, typically well below the 9.4% assumed prevalence of drug use in the general population, often at great expense. That’s the second problem.
    The third problem, which is most often overlooked, is that the urine tests used to identify drug users are known by medical professionals to be wildly inaccurate. As a team from the University of Oklahoma reported in 2010, “False-positive results for methadone, opioids, phencyclidine, barbiturates, cannabinoids, and benzodiazepines were...reported in patients taking commonly used medications.”

    False-positives were most frequently reported for amphetamine and methamphetamine, among users of legal drugs such as Prozac, Sudafed, Zantac, and non-prescription nasal inhalers. Ibuprofen (sold under such brand names as Advil and Motrin) can generate false positives for marijuana, PCP, barbiturates, or cocaine. Naproxen (Aleve and Midol) can masquerade as marijuana, barbiturates, and cocaine. In a clinical setting, positive urine tests are often followed by more rigorous confirmation testing; in the hysterical atmosphere of a witch-hunt for drug abusers among applicants for welfare, unemployment, or other assistance, a single faulty urine test can reduce a family to absolute poverty, with no help in sight.
    Despite the consistently underwhelming results, drug testing of applicants for public assistance remains one of the most popular planks in the Republican legislative platform. This reflects a conservative mindset that equates poverty with moral turpitude — what better indicator of low morals could there be than drug use? — and that treats poverty as a crime. Demanding drug testing as a condition of unemployment assistance is merely an extreme version of this mindset, though perhaps not the most extreme.

    But it takes an addled mind to continue looking for evidence of drug abuse among the needy despite repeated proof that the connection doesn’t exist. Perhaps the applicants for unemployment insurance, food stamps and welfare aren’t the ones needing to be tested for evidence of drug use.
    In conclusion, Republicans suck.

  5. #655

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara View Post
    More on the drug testing with a little background.

    http://www.latimes.com/business/hilt...317-story.html

    In conclusion, Republicans suck.
    This part:

    This reflects a conservative mindset that equates poverty with moral turpitude — what better indicator of low morals could there be than drug use? — and that treats poverty as a crime. Demanding drug testing as a condition of unemployment assistance is merely an extreme version of this mindset, though perhaps not the most extreme.
    Ugly, ignorant people insisting on ugly, ignorant laws. And I'm supposed to be fearful of Sharia law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregorius Chant View Post
    You're making a leap that the money is going to drugs.
    It's no leap that SOME money is going to drugs, in these cases. Money that could/should have gone toward feeding the kids, or otherwise getting off public assistance. If you need the government's help to feed your kids, wouldn't that infer that you don't have money enough to buy recreational marijuana?


    Again, it's not worth the money that testing would cost, so I'm opposed from an economics standpoint. But, if you can afford drugs, why can't you afford to feed your kids? If we stop giving you handouts because you can obviously afford marijuana, how is that starving the poor children?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregorius Chant View Post
    Ugly, ignorant people insisting on ugly, ignorant laws. And I'm supposed to be fearful of Sharia law.
    Are you equating drug testing with Sharia law?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Coffee View Post
    Are you equating drug testing with Sharia law?
    Nope. i'm equating people who want to impose their morality on others through law with people who want to impose their morality on others through law. The difference is we already live under that in large swaths of the country with no help from Radical Islamic Terrorism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregorius Chant View Post
    Nope. i'm equating people who want to impose their morality on others through law with people who want to impose their morality on others through law. The difference is we already live under that in large swaths of the country with no help from Radical Islamic Terrorism.
    Fair enough.

    No argument here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Coffee View Post
    Fair enough.

    No argument here.
    Wait, what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Coffee View Post
    Fair enough.

    No argument here.
    You guys really need to stop...wait. Something is wrong here.

  12. #662

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soriambi View Post
    Wait, what?


    Actually, it was well written by GC.
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  13. #663

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    From Texsahara's article from the LA Times:

    I thought urine based drug testing was accurate until reading this. Does anyone know if the saliva swab testing is more accurate? IIRC, these drugs tests are not cheap, which creates another problem.


    The third problem, which is most often overlooked, is that the urine tests used to identify drug users are known by medical professionals to be wildly inaccurate. As a team from the University of Oklahoma reported in 2010, “False-positive results for methadone, opioids, phencyclidine, barbiturates, cannabinoids, and benzodiazepines were...reported in patients taking commonly used medications.”

    False-positives were most frequently reported for amphetamine and methamphetamine, among users of legal drugs such as Prozac, Sudafed, Zantac, and non-prescription nasal inhalers. Ibuprofen (sold under such brand names as Advil and Motrin) can generate false positives for marijuana, PCP, barbiturates, or cocaine. Naproxen (Aleve and Midol) can masquerade as marijuana, barbiturates, and cocaine.
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    the gorsuch angle that nobody is really talking about. chevron deference
    always reasonable

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soriambi View Post
    Wait, what?
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    It's hard to believe this is still in play but yay.

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...017-story.html

    The moment felt historic enough that some lawmakers in Nevada's Capitol autographed paper copies of the resolution. Nevada’s state Assembly voted Monday 28-14 to ratify the Equal Rights Amendment — 35 years past the deadline set by Congress and four decades since the last state voted to adopt its language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2JAY View Post
    Ominous news from England today as there was an attack near British Parliament today. You would think if anywhere is secure that would be the place. Sure hate to get into the speculation game but these days when an incident happens like this, it sure is difficult not to think about terrorism.
    (from the Trump thread)

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...we-know-so-far

    Here is what the Guardian has been able to confirm so far:
    • A police officer has been stabbed and the alleged assailant shot by armed police following an incident inside the security cordon of the Houses of Parliament.
    • Photographs emerged of a number of casualties on Westminster Bridge, next to the parliament buildings, who had apparently been struck by a car.
    • Footage showed a car that had crashed into the perimeter railings of the parliamentary complex.
    • Other images, taken from inside the Palace of Westminster building, showed paramedics treating someone inside the Old Palace Yard, within the security cordon.
    • Scotland Yard said the attack in Westminster was being treated “as a terrorist incident until we know otherwise”.
    • The House of Commons has been put in lockdown, with many MPs confined to the Commons chamber after parliamentary business was suspended.
    • David Lidington, the leader of the House of Commons, confirmed to the assembled MPs that there had been a “serious incident” inside the parliamentary estate.
    • He said: “It seems that a police officer has been stabbed; that the alleged assailant was shot by armed police. An air ambulance is attending the scene to remove the casualties. There are also reports of further violent incidents in the vicinity.”
    • Minutes after the incident, an emergency services helicopter landed in Parliament Square. Air ambulance medics are attending to the casualties inside the Old Palace Yard and on Westminster Bridge.
    • The prime minister, Theresa May, was evacuated safely from the Commons building and driven away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara View Post
    "There are also reports of further violent incidents in the vicinity.”
    Sounds like a lone crazy except for this part.

    Of course, it could be erroneous information or the other incidents were caused by the same guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara View Post

    I'm not sure why that would seem like an unlikely place for a terrorist attack. London's had dozens of them in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    I'm not sure why that would seem like an unlikely place for a terrorist attack. London's had dozens of them in the past.
    I don't think that it is the fact that it is London itself as it is being in the area so close, and into, Parliament grounds itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2JAY View Post
    I don't think that it is the fact that it is London itself as it is being in the area so close, and into, Parliament grounds itself.
    The IRA has hit Downing Street (mortar) and the Secret Intelligence Service Building (RPG).
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    Quote Originally Posted by theDurk View Post
    The IRA has hit Downing Street (mortar) and the Secret Intelligence Service Building (RPG).
    Also set off a bomb in the Houses of Parliament during the Troubles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    Also set off a bomb in the Houses of Parliament during the Troubles.
    I thought so, but I couldn't find that one.
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    Love it.

    http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local...416683893.html

    Some of the wealthiest New Yorkers are asking the state to raise their taxes.

    Eighty people including George Soros, Steven Rockefeller and Abigail Disney wrote to lawmakers and Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo saying they and other top earners should pay more to support schools, roads, bridges and programs to help poor and homeless residents of the state.

    "Now is the time to invest in the long-term economic viability of New York," the letter reads. "We need to invest in pathways out of poverty and up the economic ladder for all of our fellow citizens, including strong public education from pre-K to college. And, we need to invest in the fragile bridges, tunnels, waterlines, public buildings, and roads that we all depend on."

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    those 'you can't sue' but 'we bet you are too confused to opt for arbitration' clauses that is in every creditcard contract, another issue in the gorsuch stuff.

    https://www.acslaw.org/sites/default...Transfer_1.pdf

    corporate dem al franken grills gorsuch on this issue.
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c46627...ch-arbitration
    always reasonable

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