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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman23 View Post
    What makes me sad it that the number is so low. We should be rejecting socialism here in America. It will not work here.
    The country has been trending left. Labeling Senator Obama a socialist didn't help McCain, even when he recruited Joe the Plumber. And I was amazed at the popularity for the Democratic socialist Bernie Sanders.

    However, there was a chunk of folks (even on the left) that believed that Sanders being labeled a Dem socialist would have made him unelectable in the general, so there's that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman23 View Post
    Wow you don't even understand why what you're doing is so inappropriate. I am really disappointed. You are one of the posters in this thread I try to have serious interaction with.
    Not inappropriate at all. You rag on the USPS about how terribly run they are but you're NOT dissatisfied with their service?
    It's the cheapest mail rates in the World and the fastest service in the world. But they're terribly run but your NOT dissatisfied with their service.
    WTH???
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    Re: President Donald Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by BRenninger View Post
    Not inappropriate at all. You rag on the USPS about how terribly run they are but you're NOT dissatisfied with their service?
    It's the cheapest mail rates in the World and the fastest service in the world. But they're terribly run but your NOT dissatisfied with their service.
    WTH???
    I think he was saying it was inappropriate for you to be lecturing him about how he should move off Long Island if he wants to lower his taxes when there are reasons he really can't that you know nothing about.
    -Kevin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Marsh View Post
    My brother-in-law is a surgeon who spends several weeks annually on medical missions to 3rd world countries. He says that he pays 40-50 times for drugs and pharmaceuticals in this country what it costs him overseas. Why does the "efficient" private sector result in such high costs in this country?

    Socialism means government ownership of the means of production. No one's talking about that. Some things are done more effectively when we work collectively. The Pilgrims sponsored free schools from the time they began setting up villages and towns in America.

    Corruption is endemic to human activity. It's not a function of government enterprise. It's rampant in the private sector as well. Trump has demonstrated that. Humans are imperfect.
    there is plenty of corruption in the private sector as well. I'm not ignoring that fact. And I know the medical industry is way out of whack price wise across the board. Me rejecting socialism is not me saying that everything now is perfect. I just do not want big government. Well, not bigger anyway. I don't want them controlling more aspects of life. I'm sure they can do good in many areas for people in need and maybe they should. But I'm concerned with overreach, and I do not want my taxes to go up even more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soriambi View Post
    I think he was saying it was inappropriate for you to be lecturing him about how he should move off Long Island if he wants to lower his taxes when there are reasons he really can't that you know nothing about.
    jlw1980 can appreciate that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRenninger View Post
    Not inappropriate at all. You rag on the USPS about how terribly run they are but you're NOT dissatisfied with their service?
    It's the cheapest mail rates in the World and the fastest service in the world. But they're terribly run but your NOT dissatisfied with their service.
    WTH???
    Email and free long distance calls have crushed them. But I'll admit that they've responded to pressure from FedEx, UPS, etc... and their services are greatly improved from decades ago. It's probably for naught, though, because the math doesn't work in their favor.
    It won't be long before we can all forget Cano and realize that Castro can be everything Robinson was for us. - Retired_Doc

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    Quote Originally Posted by melon View Post
    The country has been trending left. Labeling Senator Obama a socialist didn't help McCain, even when he recruited Joe the Plumber. And I was amazed at the popularity for the Democratic socialist Bernie Sanders.

    However, there was a chunk of folks (even on the left) that believed that Sanders being labeled a Dem socialist would have made him unelectable in the general, so there's that.
    Too far left if you ask me. So far that being conservative seems to be something hateful, and it's easier to keep quiet than try to speak up about it.

  8. #16808

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    Actually, there are increasing numbers of Americans seeking major treatment abroad because it's cheaper. Google "medical tourism."

    Even if foreigners come here for major procedures, that says nothing about the way the kick our asses in primary care, coordination of care, and other aspects that affect most people's lives and health far more pervasively than the major procedure.
    Lots of folks here go to Mexico for medications and dentistry. Some go for medical procedures, too. (Even some from my retirement community.) I'd do it. Do research and find a reputable place, and stuff can be done just as well for a fraction of the cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by melon View Post
    Email and free long distance calls have crushed them. But I'll admit that they've responded to pressure from FedEx, UPS, etc... and their services are greatly improved from decades ago. It's probably for naught, though, because the math doesn't work in their favor.
    1st class letter mail has dropped tremendously since 2000. The focus is now on priority/express/bulk rate and periodicals. On line ordering has been a life-line for all the delivery companies.
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    Re: President Donald Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by melon View Post
    The country has been trending left. Labeling Senator Obama a socialist didn't help McCain, even when he recruited Joe the Plumber. And I was amazed at the popularity for the Democratic socialist Bernie Sanders.

    However, there was a chunk of folks (even on the left) that believed that Sanders being labeled a Dem socialist would have made him unelectable in the general, so there's that.
    I think the country has generally been trending left for most of its history, but at this point I think at the same time conservatives are rather sharply shifting right, which is part of the issue. Some conservatives are abandoning ship because of that, but many are going along for the ride, and I think the conservative over-correction is part of what causes some of the extreme political animus.
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    RIP, Pete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    Actually, there are increasing numbers of Americans seeking major treatment abroad because it's cheaper. Google "medical tourism."

    Even if foreigners come here for major procedures, that says nothing about the way the kick our asses in primary care, coordination of care, and other aspects that affect most people's lives and health far more pervasively than the major procedure.
    Im not necessarily talking about cost. I'm talking about the talent and level of care. Obviously to us normal people cost us a significant factor, unfortunately, so saving money can be an incentive to accept inferior care. But for those who do not need to worry about money, they seek the best treatment. And where is that?

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    Re: President Donald Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman23 View Post
    Im not necessarily talking about cost. I'm talking about the talent and level of care. Obviously to us normal people cost us a significant factor, unfortunately, so saving money can be an incentive. But for those who do not need to worry about money, they seek the best treatment. And where is that?
    But the best treatment isn't much help if normal people can't afford it, is it?
    -Kevin

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    "I'd have won that trial. I've often said that." Stephen A. Smith on the OJ Simpson trial

    RIP, Pete.

  13. #16813

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    Quote Originally Posted by melon View Post
    jlw1980 can appreciate that.
    Yes, I comprehend being unable to move no matter how desperately one wants to. It sucks. I really hate when people tell me that I should "just move" since I don't like it here. I mean, sure, it's really that simple. Ugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soriambi View Post
    But the best treatment isn't much help if normal people can't afford it, is it?
    Of course not. But back when I had private insurance I had great care. A great plan. I didn't need to worry about it. Now it's broken. And I have what amounts to overly priced emergency insurance.

  15. #16815

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman23 View Post
    Too far left if you ask me. So far that being conservative seems to be something hateful, and it's easier to keep quiet than try to speak up about it.
    From what I see, the extremes are on both ends. The range of being a conservative is wide. I peg you as a conservative, but as a common sense conservative.

    The GOP primary was a battle to see who could trend the furthest right on immigration, abortion, religious liberty, and cutting social programs. Cruz swore that nobody would be further right than him, and he came in a strong 2nd. The moderates, like your boy, Kasich, really had no shot in the primary- but would have been a much stronger general election candidate.
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    Re: President Donald Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman23 View Post
    Im not necessarily talking about cost. I'm talking about the talent and level of care. Obviously to us normal people cost us a significant factor, unfortunately, so saving money can be an incentive to accept inferior care. But for those who do not need to worry about money, they seek the best treatment. And where is that?
    You're assuming that we have the best medical care in the world. We don't. For example, we have the highest maternal death rate among developed countries. This is largely due to inefficient social safety nets.

    http://www.modernhealthcare.com/arti...NEWS/150509941

  17. #16817

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    Quote Originally Posted by melon View Post
    Cruz swore that nobody would be further right than him, and he came in a strong 2nd.
    I think you mean Hillary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman23 View Post
    Of course not. But back when I had private insurance I had great care. A great plan. I didn't need to worry about it. Now it's broken. And I have what amounts to overly priced emergency insurance.
    Which is one more reason that we need universal, single payer healthcare. That shouldn't be the case. Healthcare absolutely is a human right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlw1980 View Post
    You're assuming that we have the best medical care in the world. We don't. For example, we have the highest maternal death rate among developed countries. This is largely due to inefficient social safety nets.

    http://www.modernhealthcare.com/arti...NEWS/150509941
    Yeah, but once you get over that hump you're golden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlw1980 View Post
    Lots of folks here go to Mexico for medications and dentistry. Some go for medical procedures, too. (Even some from my retirement community.) I'd do it. Do research and find a reputable place, and stuff can be done just as well for a fraction of the cost.
    Count me in that category. I get my dental work south of the border, and all of my prescription meds. The price difference is eye opening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlw1980 View Post
    Which is one more reason that we need universal, single payer healthcare. That shouldn't be the case. Healthcare absolutely is a human right.
    I am hesitant about believing that making this clusterfvck bigger than it already is will fix it.

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    Re: President Donald Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman23 View Post
    there is plenty of corruption in the private sector as well. I'm not ignoring that fact. And I know the medical industry is way out of whack price wise across the board. Me rejecting socialism is not me saying that everything now is perfect. I just do not want big government. Well, not bigger anyway. I don't want them controlling more aspects of life. I'm sure they can do good in many areas for people in need and maybe they should. But I'm concerned with overreach, and I do not want my taxes to go up even more.
    What I'm trying to point out is that much of what you're calling "socialism" is not socialism at all, which I defined in my previous post.

    No one wants their taxes to go up, but keeping the government out of essential services doesn't necessarily lower your costs. Health care costs at least double here than what it costs anywhere else with our system of private insurance and private health care consortiums. Having the military outsource services doesn't make our military any cheaper. It's more likely to encourage corruption and cost overruns. There are many other theoretically private sector companies that are working on government sub contracts.

    If the government is doing its job properly, it should lead to booms in the private sector as the interstate highway system and before it the railroads did. The South wouldn't have the economy it has today without government created infrastructure via the TVA, rural electrification, airport construction, seaports, and interstate highways. No modern nation can function today without access to education. Our public schools educate the broadest range of the population of any country in the world and our public universities are world class.

    It's really the proper balance between collective enterprise and individual initiative that will bring out the best in any country. As an example, I'm sure that anyone today would find the idea of privately owned roads laughable. But they once were. The term "turn pike" referred to the means of collecting tolls for the benefit of the private owner.

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    Good God, what have I done


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman23 View Post
    I am hesitant about believing that making this clusterfvck bigger than it already is will fix it.
    At one time didn't you post that for whatever reasons Obamacare really helped you in a pinch?
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