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    Re: President Donald Trump

    Can't help but inject a "But Hillary" here. All of this disturbing behavior sounds very Clintonion-ish, maybe, (believe it or not) even tamer.

    But, of course, Hillary is not Bill. She was just an enabler. Anybody vote for her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArodEra View Post
    Can't help but inject a "But Hillary" here. All of this disturbing behavior sounds very Clintonion-ish, maybe, (believe it or not) even tamer.

    But, of course, Hillary is not Bill. She was just an enabler. Anybody vote for her?
    Trump is president. Elections have consequences for the people who get elected, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara View Post
    It doesn't say he's like Weinstein. It says it the same process used by men like Weinstein. "Men with money can abuse ordinary people and face no repercussions for their actions, beyond a few payouts here and there." I don't see anything to dispute there.
    Except it conflates the two, ending with the punchline "The result: Men with money can abuse ordinary people and face no repercussions for their actions, beyond a few payouts here and there."

    The glaring difference there is that in the Daniels scenario there was no abuse, and you have to know that attaching that poor comparison is entirely intentional. Poor show for the reasons mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theDurk View Post
    He drew the line at non-consensual pussy-grabbing--what a gent!
    Quote Originally Posted by jlw1980 View Post
    Trump just bragged about grabbing them by the pussy.
    I guess I should have bolded by the qualifiers in my post. I'm not defending his behavior. The Daniels scenario and the Weinstein scenario are apples and oranges as it relates to NDAs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RhodyYanksFan View Post
    I've pretty much given up on the idea of him being removed via impeachment. There is simply no way they get 15+ GOP senators to vote for his removal. They'll have different reasons for not doing so ranging from their legit feelings of how it would reverberate through history to simply being the senate equivalent of Devin Nunes who will do anything to protect Chancellor Trump. The only way he's leaving is either feet first (come on, he's 71 and fat with terrible diet) or by being voted out. The people need to fix this mistake.
    I guarantee you that if his approval ratings fall below 30%, he will be gone. Thatís where he was headed a few months ago. The first rule of politics is self-preservation. When the public turns on a politician, so will the other politicians who find their own re-election threatened by the association.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Bernard View Post
    I donít agree with any of this. Trump and his gang are corrupt and stupid. They continually say stupid things about the corrupt things theyíve done. Itís not a strategy. Trump simply believes being president gives him an unlimited get out of jail free card on every issue. And he may even be right. But itís not a strategy.

    Trump might get away with everything but it wouldnít be the result of any fiendish plot it would speak to our apathy. Thatís a much scarier outcome to me than any Trump-is-playing-chess scenarios.
    Agree, but Rudy knows how this game is played. Heís a former federal prosecutor. I donít buy that heís simply making blunders in remarks like those on Fox News. I believe he is being very calculating.

    Joe DiGenova pulled back from the appointment he was offered due to a conflict of interest, but there is little doubt that he and his law firm are still advising Trump at least informally. His wife, Gloria Toensing was on CNN last night. Her comments left little doubt that there is a calculated strategy being employed here. Weíll see if it works, but they are definitely being strategic, not hamfisted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by False1 View Post
    I hate having to appear as if I'm defending Trump, but this is really poorly done. First, although I doubt it, it can be true that he didn't know about the payment but reimbursed when he became aware of it. Before anyone roasts me as naive, I don't think that happened but it shouldn't be discussed as if both those statements cannot be true.

    Second, while still gross, this isn't even remotely like the Weinstein situation. He raped and abused women. Trump had consensual sex.
    This post is the closest to my questions that I could find, so here goes:

    Long-time friend, fellow Republican and New Yorker Rudy Giuliani contradicts Trump by saying that he (Trump) actually reimbursed Cohen's $135k from unspent money from the retainer.

    Daniel's lawyer acts like this is the smoking gun, the gift which keeps on giving, and that this money came from campaign funds.

    How did anyone conclude that the $135k came from the unspent campaign finances?

    I still also have no idea how Trump claims that he never touched her, but she's been paid $135k for an NDA.

    Any takers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by False1 View Post
    I hate having to appear as if I'm defending Trump, but this is really poorly done. First, although I doubt it, it can be true that he didn't know about the payment but reimbursed when he became aware of it. Before anyone roasts me as naive, I don't think that happened but it shouldn't be discussed as if both those statements cannot be true.

    Second, while still gross, this isn't even remotely like the Weinstein situation. He raped and abused women. Trump had consensual sex.
    He did have consensual sex in these 2 instances. But we have no idea whatís the NDAís are there with his name on them, or Dennis Dennison, or whatever. Thereís a reason why Trump is fighting this thing so hard. As Micheal Avenatti said early on, the smart thing for him to have done in the beginning would have been to release Stormy from the NDA and accept her offer to return the money. But he didnít. Why?

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    Trump's Appointees Pledged Not to Lobby After They Leave. Now They're Lobbying.

    Source: ProPublica

    Despite agreeing to five-year bans, at least six former administration officials are registered lobbyists and others are doing similar work without registering.

    Lobbyists who joined the Trump administration and now want to return to their old trade have a problem: President Trump said they canít.

    Days after taking office, President Donald Trump signed an executive order requiring every political appointee to sign a pledge as a condition of taking office. The appointees agreed not to lobby the agencies they had worked in for five years after they left government service. Nor would they lobby anyone in the White House or political appointees across federal agencies for the duration of the Trump administration.

    But never doubt the ingenuity of the Washington swamp class. At least eight former Trump officials have found ways around the so-called ethics pledge.


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  10. #33835

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jersey Yankee View Post
    This post is the closest to my questions that I could find, so here goes:

    Long-time friend, fellow Republican and New Yorker Rudy Giuliani contradicts Trump by saying that he (Trump) actually reimbursed Cohen's $135k from unspent money from the retainer.

    Daniel's lawyer acts like this is the smoking gun, the gift which keeps on giving, and that this money came from campaign funds.

    How did anyone conclude that the $135k came from the unspent campaign finances?

    I still also have no idea how Trump claims that he never touched her, but she's been paid $135k for an NDA.

    Any takers?
    It doesnít matter if the money was spent by the campaign.

    Any money that is spent on behalf of a candidate in an attempt to influence the election is considered under the law to be a campaign contribution. It doesnít matter if itís an unqualified contribution or a loan. In addition, the money spent by Cohen exceeds the legal limits for campaign contributions.

    Trumpís and Cohenís only defense is to claim that the expenditure was not made with an interest in influencing the election.

    Independent of election law, Cohen has exposure in the areas of bank fraud and wire fraud at a minimum.

  11. #33836

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Marsh View Post
    Agree, but Rudy knows how this game is played. He’s a former federal prosecutor. I don’t buy that he’s simply making blunders in remarks like those on Fox News. I believe he is being very calculating.

    Joe DiGenova pulled back from the appointment he was offered due to a conflict of interest, but there is little doubt that he and his law firm are still advising Trump at least informally. His wife, Gloria Toensing was on CNN last night. Her comments left little doubt that there is a calculated strategy being employed here. We’ll see if it works, but they are definitely being strategic, not hamfisted.
    I might be more willing to buy that if Guiliani hadn’t gone on TV not 24 you’re later and confirm Trump violated finance law. On that note, how sharp can Guiliani be if he keeps insisting that only payment with campaign funds is a violation? Whatever savvy or knowledge he has looks to be gone. He’s just another old man like Trump, screaming, barely able to finish a sentence without lying or screwing himself over dramatically.

    Trump’s guys aren’t smart. And they have another problem: their client is the most corrupt and stupid person possible. That’s a deadly combination when fighting a legal and PR war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Marsh View Post
    He did have consensual sex in these 2 instances. But we have no idea whatís the NDAís are there with his name on them, or Dennis Dennison, or whatever. Thereís a reason why Trump is fighting this thing so hard. As Micheal Avenatti said early on, the smart thing for him to have done in the beginning would have been to release Stormy from the NDA and accept her offer to return the money. But he didnít. Why?
    I don't think there's some massive conspiracy theory going on in this instance. I mean, why did he have her sign the NDA if not to prohibit disclosure of the information about his infidelities with a porn star? He wanted it private for obvious reasons.

    It turns out that this porn star concluded she could make more money than the amount she received in the NDA by challenging and violating the terms she agreed to. And here we are.

    Sure, in retrospect it might have been more "strategic" to just fess up and have her return the money (assuming she would/could) and accept the egg on the face around the situation. But then, why have an NDA in the first place? I presume his camp figured this would die off, but clearly it hasn't and won't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by False1 View Post
    I don't think there's some massive conspiracy theory going on in this instance. I mean, why did he have her sign the NDA if not to prohibit disclosure of the information about his infidelities with a porn star? He wanted it private for obvious reasons.

    It turns out that this porn star concluded she could make more money than the amount she received in the NDA by challenging and violating the terms she agreed to. And here we are.

    Sure, in retrospect it might have been more "strategic" to just fess up and have her return the money (assuming she would/could) and accept the egg on the face around the situation. But then, why have an NDA in the first place? I presume his camp figured this would die off, but clearly it hasn't and won't.
    So you've decided not to believe the reasons she's given for coming forward? Why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara View Post
    So you've decided not to believe the reasons she's given for coming forward? Why?
    If she wanted to come forward, why agree to a legal and binding agreement that prohibits her from doing so, while accepting more than double the average American's annual salary to simply keep quiet? Why not just come out with it? What changed from the moment she signed the NDA and now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by False1 View Post
    If she wanted to come forward, why agree to a legal and binding agreement that prohibits her from doing so, while accepting more than double the average American's annual salary to simply keep quiet? Why not just come out with it? What changed from the moment she signed the NDA and now?
    Have you read any details about this or watched any of the interviews? I get the feeling you don't know a whole lot about how this story came out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    Trump is president. Elections have consequences for the people who get elected, too.
    I love when folks bring up Hillary even though she's not a sexual predator snd Drumpf is. Her husband is, though, and we all know being the wife of a predator is actually worse than being one.

    Sexism played no part in this catastrophe, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara View Post
    Have you read any details about this or watched any of the interviews? I get the feeling you don't know a whole lot about how this story came out.
    The honest answer is no, I havenít. Care to share a brief synopsis of the info Iím missing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by False1 View Post
    The honest answer is no, I havenít. Care to share a brief synopsis of the info Iím missing?
    She may be alluding to the claim that Stormy was physically threatened to sign the NDA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    She may be alluding to the claim that Stormy was physically threatened to sign the NDA.
    Gotcha. I heard about that, and a composite sketch. But doesn't seem to pass the sniff test...

    She's threatened by an accomplice of a celebrity/businessman, and is scared into signing a lucrative NDA... but after the celebrity is promoted to most powerful leader in the free world, she's now less threatened?

    Occam's razor is my lean here. But, as I admitted earlier, I haven't delved deeply into this matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by False1 View Post
    Gotcha. I heard about that, and a composite sketch. But doesn't seem to pass the sniff test...

    She's threatened by an accomplice of a celebrity/businessman, and is scared into signing a lucrative NDA... but after the celebrity is promoted to most powerful leader in the free world, she's now less threatened?

    Occam's razor is my lean here. But, as I admitted earlier, I haven't delved deeply into this matter.
    I agree with you she’s trying to cash in. But even so she still seems more credible then the POTUS.

    Which I think is a sad commentary on the state of the US Presidency
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    I agree with you sheís trying to cash in. But even so she still seems more credible then the POTUS.

    Which I think is a sad commentary on the state of the US Presidency
    At least she isn't constantly changing her story like a certain POTUS does. He's such a liar he needs a catalog to keep track of all the lies he tells every single day. It's really quite sad!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankees1962 View Post
    At least she isn't constantly changing her story like a certain POTUS does. He's such a liar he needs a catalog to keep track of all the lies he tells every single day. It's really quite sad!
    Itís easy to keep your story straight when you tell the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    Itís easy to keep your story straight when you tell the truth.
    So true!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Bernard View Post
    I might be more willing to buy that if Guiliani hadnít gone on TV not 24 youíre later and confirm Trump violated finance law. On that note, how sharp can Guiliani be if he keeps insisting that only payment with campaign funds is a violation? Whatever savvy or knowledge he has looks to be gone. Heís just another old man like Trump, screaming, barely able to finish a sentence without lying or screwing himself over dramatically.

    Trumpís guys arenít smart. And they have another problem: their client is the most corrupt and stupid person possible. Thatís a deadly combination when fighting a legal and PR war.
    That only matters if you think that theyíre trying to fight a legal battle. Theyíre not. Theyíre fighting a PR battle. Theyíre trying to obfuscate, to confuse the public, and to sell the idea that itís a witch hunt. Theyíre banking on the fact that as long a single theycan keep his poll numbers up, it wonít be possible to impeach and convict him.

    The only legal battle they care about is the one that addresses the question of whether a sitting president can be indicted. Theyíll take that one to the Supreme Court where they believe theyíll win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by False1 View Post
    I don't think there's some massive conspiracy theory going on in this instance. I mean, why did he have her sign the NDA if not to prohibit disclosure of the information about his infidelities with a porn star? He wanted it private for obvious reasons.

    It turns out that this porn star concluded she could make more money than the amount she received in the NDA by challenging and violating the terms she agreed to. And here we are.

    Sure, in retrospect it might have been more "strategic" to just fess up and have her return the money (assuming she would/could) and accept the egg on the face around the situation. But then, why have an NDA in the first place? I presume his camp figured this would die off, but clearly it hasn't and won't.
    The question isn’t whether there’s a massive conspiracy theory, it’s whether there’s a massive number of additional women who’ve been paid off that wedon’t know about.

    Knowing the character of the man, are you willing to bet the farm on the idea that the list begins and ends with Daniels and McDougal?
    There’s already a story that Cohen paid $1.6 million for an abortion for a woman impregnated by Elliott Broidy. But there are rumors that Broidy is covering for Trump and that The Donald is really the guy who impregnated her. Would anyone be shocked if that turned out to be a true rumor?
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