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    Once upon a time, we had a thread on Education. I can't seem to find it...it was likely in the old Political Soapbox. Regardless, increasingly, we've seen discussion of education show up in the Election thread. Probably not the right venue. So, allow me to create a space to discuss our educational system.


    Is what we're doing in Public Education the right route? Should we have educational standards? Is it OK to leave some children behind? What should we be doing, as a society, to make a college education more affordable? Why can't Little Johnny read? Stuff like that.


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    We should create a subsection on this forum to put all these political threads. A soapbox of sorts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClownPickle View Post
    We should create a subsection on this forum to put all these political threads. A soapbox of sorts.
    That's just crazy talk.

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    The first thing kids need to learn is to respect one another once in awhile. All this cyberbullying, telling one another to go jump off a cliff, people fighting and arguing over who dates who, and cybershaming each other is ridiculous.

    As far as education, how about kids learning to be productive members of society who go out to work every day and support themselves.

    For FORMAL education, some states should just pay those having trouble keeping jobs to get marketable skills. So many able-bodied people sitting around collecting welfare who could be driving a forklift in a warehouse, delivering furniture, etc.

    All these people who could be highly productive taxpayers aren't working due to not having marketable skills. I find that very unfortunate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClownPickle View Post
    We should create a subsection on this forum to put all these political threads. A soapbox of sorts.
    This post need a "like" button.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trish View Post
    This post need a "like" button.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YankeePride1967 View Post
    And the too easily offended having the willpower not to go in.
    that's not how it worked last time. a certain group of posters whined and complained endlessly until the mods had enough and shut it down. i can see at least 3 to 4 problems (posters) that would cry to the mods to no end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KLJ View Post
    that's not how it worked last time. a certain group of posters whined and complained endlessly until the mods had enough and shut it down. i can see at least 3 to 4 problems (posters) that would cry to the mods to no end.
    I don't think that was the problem. The whiny posters have mostly not been around much. What happened to close it was that a couple of people decided to start trolling the PS, apparently with the aim of blowing it up. They targeted posters and went after them relentlessly in a genuinely meanully style. A few posters got pissed off enough to get themselves RO'd in a blaze of glory, and the viciousness finally ended it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maynerd View Post
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    Is what we're doing in Public Education the right route?
    Mostly yes
    Should we have educational standards?
    yes
    Is it OK to leave some children behind?
    maybe
    What should we be doing, as a society, to make a college education more affordable?
    Subsidize more. Incentivize more. ??? Probably a lot
    Why can't Little Johnny read?
    Because Johhny is a little ####.

    Anyway, good idea for a thread Maynerd I approve.
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    There actually has been a recent major court decision in CT where a judge found that resources (money) have been allocated inequitably between rich white suburbs and minority cities which the state is appealing.

    https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...g-Decision.pdf

    http://ctmirror.org/2016/12/30/state...hings-to-know/
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredgmuggs View Post
    There actually has been a recent major court decision in CT where a judge found that resources (money) have been allocated inequitably between rich white suburbs and minority cities.
    I could've told you that 40 years ago. The haves get the most, and the have nots get the least.

    Same with jobs, housing, quality of healthy supermarkets carrying fresh goods, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredgmuggs View Post
    There actually has been a recent major court decision in CT where a judge found that resources (money) have been allocated inequitably between rich white suburbs and minority cities which the state is appealing.

    https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...g-Decision.pdf

    http://ctmirror.org/2016/12/30/state...hings-to-know/
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    Good job Maynerd!

    All my kids go to private schools. Wife and I thought long and hard to come to our conclusion.
    The public schools in our area just can't provide what we deem important. Through no fault of their own the schools themselves are a mess. High turnover of teachers, cuts in the arts and sports programs. The funding just isn't there. Buildings are pitiful at best.
    I'm of the mindset that if you spend 8 hrs. a day with my kid you get paid at the top of the scale as well with cadillac benefits. Educators make a career is the result.
    So far so good. The tuitions trains us for the college tuitions.

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    theres plenty of good stuff. there's also plenty of stupid stuff.

    the single biggest difference between public and private schools is class size. people like to talk around this but in the end, it makes a significant difference discussing any other area of that debate is basically pointless.
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    [QUOTE=Maynerd;8231451]Once upon a time, we had a thread on Education. I can't seem to find it...it was likely in the old Political Soapbox. Regardless, increasingly, we've seen discussion of education show up in the Election thread. Probably not the right venue. So, allow me to create a space to discuss our educational system.


    Is what we're doing in Public Education the right route? Should we have educational standards? Is it OK to leave some children behind? What should we be doing, as a society, to make a college education more affordable? Why can't Little Johnny read? Stuff like that.

    I taught Special Ed after college and let me tell you, despite their challenges, those kids loved school and tried really hard to do well. The key was parental involvement. I think kids today have so many challenges just to get through each day that a lot of parental involvement would make all the difference in the world. Sadly it doesn't seem to be there. Parents are doubly challenged with work schedules and more often than not, the necessity for a dual incomes 6 months to a year to stay afloat.

    Gov. Cuomo has a few interesting ideas on how to make college available to more students.

    Since we have so many students from different cultures and different languages, I always thought spending 6 months to a year learning to read and write English would be advantageous to all.

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    arja, do you think more teaching assistants would help? If you can't have smaller classes would having help accomplish anything? It would be less expensive and provide jobs for people that may only have associates degrees possibly even inspiring them to become teachers.

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    She sounds like a kid that didn't do the assigned reading and thinks they can bluff their way through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara View Post
    She sounds like a kid that didn't do the assigned reading and thinks they can bluff their way through.
    And who would say "my dad will just buy the place".

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    “Schools are buildings with students in them”. Thanks Betsy we needed that clarification.
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    If Betsy DeVos can be Secretary of Education, I sure as hell can do whatever it is you do here" will be the lead sentence on my cover letter in perpetuity.

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    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...&ICID=ref_fark

    Some of the twitter replies from students are both sad and funny.
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    I think, as I always think, that your focus is on the wrong kid. As with welfare and food stamps and a lot of other things, I’d rather make sure that everyone who needs it gets it, even if that means there are a few who game the system.

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    Maynerd it used to be common that instate tuition at state universities was fully subsidized. In the 1960s I believe there was no tuition for instate students at UC Berkeley I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    Maynerd it used to be common that instate tuition at state universities was fully subsidized. In the 1960s I believe there was no tuition for instate students at UC Berkeley I believe.
    Yes, California and NYC colleges were both free at the time. Many others were dirt cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    Maynerd it used to be common that instate tuition at state universities was fully subsidized. In the 1960s I believe there was no tuition for instate students at UC Berkeley I believe.
    I question how "common" this was. California has tried to make its University system tuition-free. Do we really want to emulate California's economic model?

    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3
    I think, as I always think, that your focus is on the wrong kid.
    Then disregard any comment I made about the kid who wants to party through college. What about the remainder of my position? What has changed such that the taxpayer should foot the bill for four additional years beyond 12th Grade? What sort of standards should be attached to those payments? Should there be a service requirement after graduation? Or are you recommending a taxpayer-funded free lunch, with no strings attached, no expectations, and no requirements? Once we make it so every kid can get a no-risk, no-expense college education, how long will it be until we also have to pay for Masters Degrees? Won't we make the same 'fairness and accessibility' argument?

    Quote Originally Posted by Texsahara
    Kids that don't want to be there and are unwilling to do the work will be weeded out quickly.
    I question this. We have tons of kids cluttering up our High Schools who don't want to be there and aren't willing to do the work, but we capture metrics on drop-out rates, so we make it exceedingly hard to weed them out. Colleges make their money from students, whether they're 'for profit' colleges or not. If the taxpayer is fueling a money engine, what incentive is there for State U to weed out the non-performing student? We don't weed them out in High School. Why would we suddenly do so at a taxpayer-funded college level?

    Again, I don't disagree with the notion. I just want strict, defined requirements, for both the students and the college itself. And, I think there should be a service requirement at the back end. If we, the taxpayers, are going to pay for 33% more education than we ever have, there should be a benefit to the taxpayers for doing so.

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