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    2017 International Free Agency

    Here's something to get us familiar with the names we'll be discussing.

    http://m.mlb.com/news/article/200042...icid=151437456

    Hopefully the rules don't change so this can be another shopping binge for us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MylesThomas1927 View Post
    Here's something to get us familiar with the names we'll be discussing.

    http://m.mlb.com/news/article/200042...icid=151437456

    Hopefully the rules don't change so this can be another shopping binge for us.
    If we do go on another binge then people will complain that we picked the wrong year again.

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    pick the year because there is moncada? not a single problem with that.

    picked the moncada year without signing moncada? lol

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    Well said. I don't really care what year they go in as it's hard to predict anyway. But once they're all in and forced to sit out the next few years, they better go all the way in and go after every single one of the top guys aggressively.

    With not a single MLB free agent last offseason and not much expected for this offseason, I'd love to see the team pour all those resources into the IFA market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by awy View Post
    pick the year because there is moncada? not a single problem with that.

    picked the moncada year without signing moncada? lol
    I really want to know what was going through the Yankees mind on that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrFortune3 View Post
    I really want to know what was going through the Yankees mind on that one.
    Lopez screwed us over on that. He over stepped his bounds. Hence why he was given the boot from the Yankees.

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    Re: 2017 International Free Agency

    Norge Ruiz is finally a FA . Last year he fell under Signing restrictions . I wonder if now being granted FA status a year later then thought has change the signing scope on him and if so I think the Yankees would have strong interest

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHugeUnit2 View Post
    Lopez screwed us over on that. He over stepped his bounds. Hence why he was given the boot from the Yankees.
    That he was allowed within a mile of impacting that deal is embarrassing.

    I think everyone involved screwed up that deal. Lopez was the exclamation point.

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    Re: 2017 International Free Agency

    Seeing how they ruined Puerto Rico baseball, I don't know how exciting it could be. They just don't want to spend too much at IFA pool. The league could do this because they have leverage. Don't try to spin it as a change of making international baseball better.

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    End what black market? Players will simply make back room deals like the Sox did and get more money or refuse to sign.

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    Re: 2017 International Free Agency

    To teams which invest heavily there, the hard cap is a lot better than a draft. It's not only about the exempted small bonus signings. The hard cap forces teams not to go insane for particular players. The academy and agent relationship become even more important.

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    Just because they have a cap on IFA, it doesn't mean that the owners have to spend more to the veterans. It is not NFL CBA. They don't have to share guarantee revenue percentage.

    And makes it even worse, the luxury tax cap doesn't raise enough to match with the revenue growth.

    The IFA draft is for the owners to get cost certainty. Now the union gives them a even better proposal to get the cost certainty and open the flood gate to any form of hard cap in the future.

    Clark messed up badly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t View Post
    Just because they have a cap on IFA, it doesn't mean that the owners have to spend more to the veterans. It is not NFL CBA. They don't have to share guarantee revenue percentage.

    And makes it even worse, the luxury tax cap doesn't raise enough to match with the revenue growth.

    The IFA draft is for the owners to get cost certainty. Now the union gives them a even better proposal to get the cost certainty and open the flood gate to any form of hard cap in the future.

    Clark messed up badly.
    Outside of a few teams that attempt to utilize their club for profit instead of being actively competitive, most owners are going to spend money on vets if it's available.
    You see it in the contracts that are handed out in FA, the only thing that has stopped them from spending more has been the qualifying offer penalties and that was only with certain players.

    Now instead of spending 7 mil on a IFA prospect or forking over a major deal for a 23-24 year old outside of the bonus structure, now that money is likely to go back into the ML side and get spent that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrFortune3 View Post
    Outside of a few teams that attempt to utilize their club for profit instead of being actively competitive, most owners are going to spend money on vets if it's available.
    You see it in the contracts that are handed out in FA, the only thing that has stopped them from spending more has been the qualifying offer penalties and that was only with certain players.

    Now instead of spending 7 mil on a IFA prospect or forking over a major deal for a 23-24 year old outside of the bonus structure, now that money is likely to go back into the ML side and get spent that way.
    I don't see any evidence of it. It doesn't stop them from spending on veterans under the previous system. In 2015 only 8 teams spent more than $5M and 3 of them spent less than $6M. The top spending teams were Red Sox, the Cubs and the Dodgers. You can add the Rangers and the Yankees which were restricted. The IFA cap are not going to affect those teams. And most of the owners won't spend more just because there is a cap. Majority of the owners didn't spend that much on IFA anyway.

    If Clark is sold that the owners would spend more because of the cap, it just shows how incompetent he is.

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    Re: 2017 International Free Agency

    As expected. Such bullshi*.

    $5.75 Million
    Arizona Diamondbacks
    Baltimore Orioles
    Cleveland Indians
    Colorado Rockies
    Kansas City Royals
    Pittsburgh Pirates
    St. Louis Cardinals
    San Diego Padres
    $5.25 Million
    Cincinnati Reds
    Miami Marlins
    Milwaukee Brewers
    Minnesota Twins
    Oakland Athletics
    Tampa Bay Rays
    $4.75 Million
    Atlanta Braves
    Boston Red Sox
    Chicago Cubs
    Chicago White Sox
    Detroit Tigers
    Houston Astros
    Los Angeles Angels
    Los Angeles Dodgers
    New York Mets
    New York Yankees
    Philadelphia Phillies
    San Francisco Giants
    Seattle Mariners
    Texas Rangers
    Toronto Blue Jays
    Washington Nationals

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/inter...l-bonus-pools/

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    Why is Baltimore in with the poverty teams?

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    I've always loved how Oakland is considered small market.
    Jaret Wright's 2005 Cy Young Season: 20-3, 3.04 ERA

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    Re: 2017 International Free Agency

    It's a tricky situation. All teams normally have already locked up this year IFA class prospects at this stage. Otani decision would make teams very difficult in IFA planning.

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    NPB season has started.

    Otani performance so far:
    10-20, 4 Doubles, 2 HR

    He has not pitched yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t View Post
    NPB season has started.

    Otani performance so far:
    10-20, 4 Doubles, 2 HR

    He has not pitched yet.
    My Otani lust is so far beyond even that of how badly I wanted Tanaka.

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    Re: 2017 International Free Agency

    Otani has hit another double in his sixth game.

    .478/.500/.957, 11-23, 5 doubles, 2 HR

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    Re: 2017 International Free Agency

    his best chance to have a career in the major leagues is through pitching... his ankle needs to heal already and he needs to stop effing around with the bat and just commit to the mound
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    Re: 2017 International Free Agency

    His bat may turn out to be too valuable to give up. All NL team GMs shall love it. Imagine you get a replacement level or slightly above average bat at pitcher position in a non-DH league, that's a huge advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t View Post
    His bat may turn out to be too valuable to give up. All NL team GMs shall love it. Imagine you get a replacement level or slightly above average bat at pitcher position in a non-DH league, that's a huge advantage.
    Is the NPB pitching that bad or is he really this good? His offensive #'s are silly. And that monster shot he hit the other day was ridiculous - pitcher or not.

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    NPB pitching isn't very good at all... there are some standouts, but for the most part, the pitchers are AAAA caliber

    it's why so many washed up major leaguers end up going overseas and carving out a good career for themselves, playing japanese ball
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