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    Quote Originally Posted by Donnybaseball72 View Post
    Seem to me it would be more similar to the NHL draft which includes players from all over Europe and North America all in one draft. If they can get scouting and medial info on a Scandinavian Sniper than I am sure a MLB can get what they need on a Dominican slugger. It a really poor argument.
    The NHL has been doing it for years and years though. Damn near every NHL prospect is scouted to the nth degree, has medical testing done, draft sites have profiles upon profiles of these guys and a lot of those guys play in professional leagues or high quality junior leagues.

    Not to mention you have the Olympics, world tourneys, 18 and under squads for those tourneys, 21 and over squads, almost year round training and tourneys where you can get the medical testing and athletic testing from those events + mix in your own testing from the NHL scouting combine and network with their coaches.

    There is a significant level of organization to the NBA, NFL and even NHL drafts.
    The MLB is not the same in terms of international players. They can potentially get there yes, as part of the proposal is for them to train in MLB facilities and etc, which is likely why it's a 2021 year 18 and up proposal.

    The MLB already drafts the most players out of any professional sports league in North America. 40 rounds, 1,200 potential selections if everyone kept their pick, then you throw in a 10 round draft for international players and add an additional 300 players to the fold along with potentially tying that together for a singular MLB draft that would stretch MLB to comb through 1,500 - 2,000 prospects in the US, Canada, Venezuela, Dominican Republic, Australia, New Zealand, Parts of Asia & etc.

    That is simply not viable without the MLB putting considerable resources into it and ensuring that there are adequate facilities and leagues to hone their skills and push their development.

    Now if you disagree with the premise that is fine, but the argument itself is far from poor.

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    Understood on the very large amount of amateurs that are drafted compared to other sports. But I think they need to combine the drafts eventually to prevent the worst teams from double dipping on 2 separate drafts in one year.
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    Re: 2017 International Free Agency

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    The NHL has been doing it for years and years though. Damn near every NHL prospect is scouted to the nth degree, has medical testing done, draft sites have profiles upon profiles of these guys and a lot of those guys play in professional leagues or high quality junior leagues.

    Not to mention you have the Olympics, world tourneys, 18 and under squads for those tourneys, 21 and over squads, almost year round training and tourneys where you can get the medical testing and athletic testing from those events + mix in your own testing from the NHL scouting combine and network with their coaches.

    There is a significant level of organization to the NBA, NFL and even NHL drafts.
    The MLB is not the same in terms of international players. They can potentially get there yes, as part of the proposal is for them to train in MLB facilities and etc, which is likely why it's a 2021 year 18 and up proposal.

    The MLB already drafts the most players out of any professional sports league in North America. 40 rounds, 1,200 potential selections if everyone kept their pick, then you throw in a 10 round draft for international players and add an additional 300 players to the fold along with potentially tying that together for a singular MLB draft that would stretch MLB to comb through 1,500 - 2,000 prospects in the US, Canada, Venezuela, Dominican Republic, Australia, New Zealand, Parts of Asia & etc.

    That is simply not viable without the MLB putting considerable resources into it and ensuring that there are adequate facilities and leagues to hone their skills and push their development.

    Now if you disagree with the premise that is fine, but the argument itself is far from poor.

    Bingo. I'm surprised I hadn't even though about of this. Each team would probably need to hire a number of extra scouts to cover international areas more extensively. And MLB would have to enlarge their central scouting database and the number pre draft workouts. The cost would be considerable. And that's not exactly something MLB would welcome with open arms. Look at how receptive they were to increasing wages in the minor leagues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrFortune3 View Post
    The NHL has been doing it for years and years though. Damn near every NHL prospect is scouted to the nth degree, has medical testing done, draft sites have profiles upon profiles of these guys and a lot of those guys play in professional leagues or high quality junior leagues.

    Not to mention you have the Olympics, world tourneys, 18 and under squads for those tourneys, 21 and over squads, almost year round training and tourneys where you can get the medical testing and athletic testing from those events + mix in your own testing from the NHL scouting combine and network with their coaches.

    There is a significant level of organization to the NBA, NFL and even NHL drafts.
    The MLB is not the same in terms of international players. They can potentially get there yes, as part of the proposal is for them to train in MLB facilities and etc, which is likely why it's a 2021 year 18 and up proposal.

    The MLB already drafts the most players out of any professional sports league in North America. 40 rounds, 1,200 potential selections if everyone kept their pick, then you throw in a 10 round draft for international players and add an additional 300 players to the fold along with potentially tying that together for a singular MLB draft that would stretch MLB to comb through 1,500 - 2,000 prospects in the US, Canada, Venezuela, Dominican Republic, Australia, New Zealand, Parts of Asia & etc.

    That is simply not viable without the MLB putting considerable resources into it and ensuring that there are adequate facilities and leagues to hone their skills and push their development.

    Now if you disagree with the premise that is fine, but the argument itself is far from poor.
    Precisely. There is no comparison to the NHL draft in terms of what an international MLB draft would look like. It's a terrible example. What Fortune said nails just one aspect of why it would be a tremendous mistake.

    Quote Originally Posted by oneill96 View Post
    Bingo. I'm surprised I hadn't even though about of this. Each team would probably need to hire a number of extra scouts to cover international areas more extensively. And MLB would have to enlarge their central scouting database and the number pre draft workouts. The cost would be considerable. And that's not exactly something MLB would welcome with open arms. Look at how receptive they were to increasing wages in the minor leagues.
    These types of issues have been brought up for the years that an international draft has been rumored. They know, they're just either too stubborn or stupid to acknowledge it.

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    Precisely. There is no comparison to the NHL draft in terms of what an international MLB draft would look like. It's a terrible example. What Fortune said nails just one aspect of why it would be a tremendous mistake.



    These types of issues have been brought up for the years that an international draft has been rumored. They know, they're just either too stubborn or stupid to acknowledge it.
    The MLB is trying to do something just to do it. There is no logic to their plan.
    This could potentially lead to players going to other countries where the draft rules do not apply so that they can sign earlier, there is going to be some major loophole that people will exploit.

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    Re: 2017 International Free Agency

    I think you folks are over-stating any potential issues with a single draft, including Intl players. It probably won't be for this CBA, so teams will have plenty of time to gear up for when it becomes a reality in the early 2020s, or whenever the next CBA expires. Some teams will obviously be more prepared for it than others, but basically that is how the NHL evolved also.

    (By the way, is there any word on the length of the CBA being bargained now? Can't imagine it will be for less than 6-7 years.)

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    Trainers plan boycott in response to international draft

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    That's a bit more spirited than I expected but considering the potential ramifications on bonus money, not shocking.

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    Trainers plan boycott in response to international draft

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    Why are you cheering them on?
    Because I prefer the system we have where we have an advantage.
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    Re: 2017 International Free Agency

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    Because I prefer the system we have where we have an advantage.
    And how is that a fair and balances systems? You are a selfish fan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donnybaseball72 View Post
    And how is that a fair and balances systems? You are a selfish fan.
    Guilty as charged. I think there should be an advantage for teams who work hard and are willing to put their money toward winning rather than just have that advantage handed to those teams who lose.

    The draft is there to level the playing field. Let IFA continue to be an area where teams that put in the effort to scout, build relationships and build academies are rewarded. Teams like the Padres and Braves reaped the rewards this past July 2nd. This isn't a money advantage, this is an effort and desire reward.
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    Re: 2017 International Free Agency

    What teams will be restricted this upcoming IFA period from going over the 300k limit?

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    With the new CBA in place, I suspect that multiple teams will gorge themselves on prospects this year as the pools will be hard capped next year.

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    Supposedly that hard cap is 5 million per team, which is ridiculously low. Is this really to be a hard cap with no ability to exceed, even with a "luxury" tax on the excess?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrFortune3 View Post
    With the new CBA in place, I suspect that multiple teams will gorge themselves on prospects this year as the pools will be hard capped next year.
    Have you read anything that states definitively that the new hard cap doesn't kick in until next year? And, if so, are the penalties for binging this year the same as they've been?
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    the international draft has a lot of problems on the implementation side.

    this cba showed that there was no political resistance to the idea. in some ways mlb got an even better deal than if they put a draft in place.

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    Have you read anything that states definitively that the new hard cap doesn't kick in until next year? And, if so, are the penalties for binging this year the same as they've been?
    I may have been wrong about that. I assumed that since the FA rules did not come into play until next off-season that the IFA cap would also come into play next year since the penalty of 1 mil would be tied to 2017.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MylesThomas1927 View Post
    Have you read anything that states definitively that the new hard cap doesn't kick in until next year? And, if so, are the penalties for binging this year the same as they've been?
    It's confirmed that the new $4.75 million International hard cap will be in place for 2017. There will be no binging for the Yankees now that they're finally off restriction.
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    It's confirmed that the new $4.75 million International hard cap will be in place for 2017. There will be no binging for the Yankees now that they're finally off restriction.
    Oh, well. I was hoping for one more big haul. I wonder how this all plays out with the assumption of deals in place long in advance of July 2nd.
    Also, what penalties are in place for the Padres, Braves and others who went above their pool last year or the year before?
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    It's confirmed that the new $4.75 million International hard cap will be in place for 2017. There will be no binging for the Yankees now that they're finally off restriction.
    8:10pm: Passan also reports (on Twitter) that the new CBA allows the league to issue extreme levels of punishment to teams that try to circumvent the international spending guidelines that are in place. Per Passan, MLB can penalize up to 50 percent of a team’s international bonus money through the 2021 season if it is found to be in violation of the new international signing rules.
    They are not playing around with new cap. Damn.

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    that's some bull................. where's the punishment for boston when they committed literal fraud

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    that's some bull................. where's the punishment for boston when they committed literal fraud
    They weren't allowed to sign anyone this year and their prospects contracts were voided out.

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    That was a pus$y a$$ penalty. Moncada's contract should have been voided (same period) and Cashman should have been castrated for good measure.

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    Step down Tony Clark.

    “This is just the setup for war in 2021,” one high-ranking official told Yahoo Sports.

    Another longtime power broker went a step further.

    “If there’s not a strike,” he said, “I’ll be shocked.”
    ...........
    In exchange for the international draft, MLB was prepared to offer the union something it long dreamt of: unfettered free agency. The qualifying offer – which attached draft-pick compensation to the best free agents and hindered their earning potential for the previous five seasons – would be gone. The market, and only the market, would determine their contract. As unwieldy as the international draft felt, the MLBPA had made a habit of prioritizing its membership – the 1,200 players on major league rosters – over the amateurs long from the big leagues.

    This did not happen in Dallas. The desire of a vocal segment of players to avoid an international draft at all costs was abundantly clear, and ultimately – over the objection of a number of top players and officials – the union took that position: No deal until there’s no draft. MLB saw an opportunity and instead got the cost containment it desired without having to spend a penny on the infrastructure a draft would necessitate. The league asked for a hard cap on money spent internationally and couldn’t believe its fortune: The union acceded, a stunning reversal from past negotiations when a hard cap of any kind, be it on team salaries, draft spending or international money, was rejected outright.
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