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    Re: 2016 Rule V Eligibility & Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by freebubba View Post
    And just to be clear, a player selected in the Rule V draft must be on the drafting teams active 25 man roster for the entire season following the draft or be returned, correct?
    Yes, barring injury.

    This is why very few Rule V guys actually stay with the team that drafts them. That is a major commitment to make. 25 man roster spots are precious, and to waste one on a guy who you like, but isn't ready to contribute, is a very difficult decision.

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    Re: 2016 Rule V Eligibility & Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by groundhoggator View Post
    - currently the 40 man roster is fullt - 40/40 taken with 5 on the 60 day DL
    - 14 slots have been added since start of the season (with an additional 4 who made a brief pit stop {Parmalee, Davis, Somsen & Coke})
    - with 26/44 slots allocated to Pitchers - expect some attrition to occur very soon with the pitchers listed - especially as Mitchell is very near to come off the 60 day DL. Typically 21-23 pitchers tops. (as you'll see below - there are potentially 12 pitchers they can term)
    - It will be easy to open roster spots this fall for Rule V and any additional Sept Callups - if we break it down by Red/Yellow/Green. All veterans under contract beyond this season will automatically be on Green (counted as part of the 40 man). No trades to be assumed, but of course will likely happen to free up space.

    Red (free agents and easy to be DFA/non-tendered)
    1. Bleier
    2. Graham
    3. Layne
    4. Parker
    5. Teixeira
    6. Swarzak
    7. Eovaldi (since he got hurt and is out all 2017)
    8. Young Jr
    9. Butler
    10. Solano

    Yellow (could easily see non-tendered or still with club next year)
    1. Barbato
    2. Goody
    3. Lindgren
    4. Mullee
    5. Pazos
    6. Rumbelow
    7. Yates
    8. Ackley
    9. Torreyes


    Green (will be on the Yankees 40 man this offseason)
    1. Betances
    2. Cessa
    3. Clippard
    4. Green
    5. Heller
    6. Holder
    7. Mitchell
    8. Pinder
    9. Pineda
    10. Sabathia
    11. Severino
    12. Shreve
    13. Tanaka
    14. Warren
    15. McCann
    16. Romine
    17. Sanchez
    18. Austin
    19. Bird
    20. Castro
    21. Gregorius
    22. Headley
    23. Refsynder
    24. Ellsbury
    25. Gardner
    26. Hicks
    27. Judge
    28. Williams

    So based on this exercise - they will have 8 definite openings for Rule V - can add an additional 9 slots (of course the starting # is 45 so realistically Cash will need to open 11 slots to create 6 Rule V additions - on average Cash puts 4-6 on each year) so there is lots of flexibility within the 40 man to work with.

    Some 40 man concerns Cash will have to deal with this offseason:

    a) reduce # pitchers from 26 to 21-23 level
    b) Extremely challenging to have 4 catchers on 40 -so wouldn't be surprised to see at least 1-2 traded from McCann/Romine/Higa
    c) Would be shocked to see if only 6 OF's remain on the 40 man roster thru the offseason

    My best guess come Rule V Draft time - 22/18 (pitchers/positional), 18 (3/8/7)


    ---------------
    Rule V Eligible:

    Must adds:
    1. Mateo - no brainer
    2. Andujar (there is no other 3B prospect in system)
    3. Higashioka (especially if McCann is traded)
    4. Enns - performance and lack of starters makes case for inclusion
    5. Webb - LHRP - given the lack of confidence from the alternative relievers down south


    Others to consider:
    1. Giovanny Gallegos - if not protected - the type of player to be taken in Rule V draft.
    2. Mark Montgomery - his prospect rocket just ran out of fuel before clearing atmosphere
    3. Jake Cave (LH OF depth is too great to overcome)
    4. Cito Culver - improving but not 40 man guaranteed
    5. Brady Lail - last year - surefire addition for Rule V protection - performance this year puts him likely outside the bubble
    6. Luis Torrens - premium position - but injury and Low A - too far away to worry about Rule V protection
    7. Rashad Crawford - 4th piece in Chapman trade - still too raw to be stashed to clog someone's 25 man roster despite improvement after trade
    8. Cesar Puello - Nice year - is there more inside him than AAAA OF?
    9. Donovan Solano - see Puello comment above for utility IF
    As it stands right now... there are 42 players under control with 35 slots taken on the 40 man roster. Players already cut are in bold RED. Once the World Series is over we'll add Teixeira and Butler - which will officially create 7 open slots to only be filled by the 7 players currently on the 60 day DL. Expect more players to be "waived" with an opportunity to accept an assignment to SWB or elect outright FA like Young & Swarzak.

    Additionally, since this original post - I'd upgrade Bleier & Layne to yellow status and downgrade Barbato, Mullee, and Ackley to red status.

    Also confirmed by Cash yesterday is that Higashioka will be added to the 40 man roster this winter. Once that's officially done Higashioka & any other 40 man addition will be in bold GREEN
    Last edited by groundhoggator; 11-03-16 at 11:07 AM. Reason: tex/butler FA & mullee claimed by cubs

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    Re: 2016 Rule V Eligibility & Draft

    It's almost a guarantee that Eovaldi will not be on the 40 man roster in 2017. The contract will be structured somehow so that he is on a minor league deal, or similar.

    Solano and Ackley are also gone, as their "usage" is duplicated elsewhere on the roster. Add in Tex and Butler, and this is what Cashman has to work with right now, IMO. 10 open spots, with 7 from the 60 day DL needed to be added back.

    One more thing. Shreve may be in trouble. He has really struggled since his first 120 games or so of 2015.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbn007 View Post
    It's almost a guarantee that Eovaldi will not be on the 40 man roster in 2017. The contract will be structured somehow so that he is on a minor league deal, or similar.

    Solano and Ackley are also gone, as their "usage" is duplicated elsewhere on the roster. Add in Tex and Butler, and this is what Cashman has to work with right now, IMO. 10 open spots, with 7 from the 60 day DL needed to be added back.

    One more thing. Shreve may be in trouble. He has really struggled since his first 120 games or so of 2015.
    Excellent points - consider it noted that Shreve would be downgraded from Green to Yellow.

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    Re: 2016 Rule V Eligibility & Draft

    with Solano the latest 40man roster casualty - the 40 man sits at 41/35 slots - that will automatically reduce by 2 when Teixeira & Butler become FA's. However Higashioka will need to be immediately added at the same time after the World Series is over so essentially we are 40 man neutral before entering the non-tender period. Will be interesting to see how many trades are consummated right after the WS is over.

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    I think Torreyes should be a green. Or, at least I'm hoping.
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    Re: 2016 Rule V Eligibility & Draft

    updated the RED/YELLOW/GREEN list with Butler, Tex as FA's and Mullee claimed by Cubs

    Red (free agents and easy to be DFA/non-tendered)
    1. Bleier
    2. Graham
    3. Layne
    4. Parker
    5. Teixeira
    6. Swarzak
    7. Eovaldi (since he got hurt and is out all 2017)
    8. Young Jr
    9. Butler
    10. Solano

    Yellow (could easily see non-tendered or still with club next year)
    1. Barbato
    2. Goody
    3. Lindgren
    4. Mullee
    5. Pazos
    6. Rumbelow
    7. Yates
    8. Ackley
    9. Torreyes


    Green (will be on the Yankees 40 man this offseason)
    1. Betances
    2. Cessa
    3. Clippard
    4. Green
    5. Heller
    6. Holder
    7. Mitchell
    8. Pinder
    9. Pineda
    10. Sabathia
    11. Severino
    12. Shreve
    13. Tanaka
    14. Warren
    15. McCann
    16. Romine
    17. Sanchez
    18. Austin
    19. Bird
    20. Castro
    21. Gregorius
    22. Headley
    23. Refsynder
    24. Ellsbury
    25. Gardner
    26. Hicks
    27. Judge
    28. Williams

    Added Players
    1. Higashioka
    2. German
    3. Joe Mantiply (claimed off waivers from DET)

    ------------------

    Rule V Eligible:

    Must adds:
    1. Mateo - no brainer
    2. Andujar (there is no other 3B prospect in system)
    3. Higashioka (especially if McCann is traded) - added
    4. Enns - performance and lack of starters makes case for inclusion
    5. Webb - LHRP - given the lack of confidence from the alternative relievers down south


    Others to consider:
    1. Giovanny Gallegos - if not protected - the type of player to be taken in Rule V draft.
    2. Mark Montgomery - his prospect rocket just ran out of fuel before clearing atmosphere
    3. Jake Cave (LH OF depth is too great to overcome)
    4. Cito Culver - improving but not 40 man guaranteed
    5. Brady Lail - last year - surefire addition for Rule V protection - performance this year puts him likely outside the bubble
    6. Luis Torrens - premium position - but injury and Low A - too far away to worry about Rule V protection
    7. Rashad Crawford - 4th piece in Chapman trade - still too raw to be stashed to clog someone's 25 man roster despite improvement after trade
    8. Cesar Puello - Nice year - is there more inside him than AAAA OF? - wasn't added before he became MiL FA
    9. Donovan Solano - see Puello comment above for utility IF - dropped from 40 man

    While there are a couple of players who should slide up/down the scale - I'm sticking with the original list for consistency purposes. Also Higa should be added today - we'll see and update accordingly.

    UPDATE - Higashioka & German added to 40 man roster; Mantiply claimed off waivers and Pinder DFA
    Last edited by groundhoggator; 11-08-16 at 07:04 PM. Reason: Mantiply claimed off waivers and Pinder DFA

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    That list doesn't have potential candidates who need to be added or a guess at the final 40, this is what I am predicting/guessing currently:

    Locks (30):

    Betances
    Cessa
    Clippard
    Green
    Heller
    Holder
    Mitchell
    Pineda
    CC
    Severino
    Tanaka
    Warren

    *Higashioka
    McCann
    Romine
    Sanchez

    *Andujar
    Austin
    Bird
    Castro
    Gregorius
    Headley
    *Mateo
    Refsnyder
    Torreyes

    Ellsbury
    Gardner
    Hicks
    Judge
    Mason Williams

    *Not on yet

    Possible keepers, currently on the 40 man or 60 day DL (9):

    Barbato
    Bleier
    Goody
    Layne
    Lindgren (he is going to be out all of 2017, so you could probably safely leave him unprotected and assume that no one will carry him all season on their 25 man, his upside isn't that high, especially after surgery)
    Pazos
    Pinder
    Rumbelow
    Shreve

    Parmelee

    Ackley

    Possible keepers, not yet on 40 man DL (10)

    Cave
    Crawford
    Culver
    Enns
    Giovanny Gallegos
    Herrera
    Lail
    Tarpley
    Torrens
    Webb

    So ten of those nineteen, and the relievers are mostly pretty close, but maybe Shreve, Enns, Herrera, Torrens, Goody, Gallegos, Pazos, Tarpley, Crawford, Culver? Layne might have wormed his way in there too.

    It's hard to believe that Torrens, a catcher in low A, could really stick on a big league roster all year, but you hate to lose a talented catcher just in case. Culver and Crawford are both superior defenders at key positions (SS and CF), and so could maybe stick with someone as a backup just based on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by groundhoggator View Post
    updated the RED/YELLOW/GREEN list with Butler, Tex as FA's and Mullee claimed by Cubs

    Red (free agents and easy to be DFA/non-tendered)
    1. Bleier
    2. Graham
    3. Layne
    4. Parker
    5. Teixeira
    6. Swarzak
    7. Eovaldi (since he got hurt and is out all 2017)
    8. Young Jr
    9. Butler
    10. Solano

    Yellow (could easily see non-tendered or still with club next year)
    1. Barbato
    2. Goody
    3. Lindgren
    4. Mullee
    5. Pazos
    6. Rumbelow
    7. Yates
    8. Ackley
    9. Torreyes


    Green (will be on the Yankees 40 man this offseason)
    1. Betances
    2. Cessa
    3. Clippard
    4. Green
    5. Heller
    6. Holder
    7. Mitchell
    8. Pinder - was not claimed and now in AAA (Success)
    9. Pineda
    10. Sabathia
    11. Severino
    12. Shreve
    13. Tanaka
    14. Warren
    15. McCann
    16. Romine
    17. Sanchez
    18. Austin
    19. Bird
    20. Castro
    21. Gregorius
    22. Headley
    23. Refsynder
    24. Ellsbury
    25. Gardner
    26. Hicks
    27. Judge
    28. Williams

    Added Players
    1. Higashioka
    2. German
    3. Joe Mantiply (claimed off waivers from DET)
    4. Mateo
    5. Andujar
    6. Gallegos
    7. Enns
    8. Ramirez
    9. Herrera

    ------------------

    Rule V Eligible:

    Must adds:
    1. Mateo - no brainer
    2. Andujar (there is no other 3B prospect in system)
    3. Higashioka (especially if McCann is traded) - added
    4. Enns - performance and lack of starters makes case for inclusion
    5. Webb - LHRP - given the lack of confidence from the alternative relievers down south


    Others to consider:
    1. Giovanny Gallegos - if not protected - the type of player to be taken in Rule V draft.
    2. Mark Montgomery - his prospect rocket just ran out of fuel before clearing atmosphere
    3. Jake Cave (LH OF depth is too great to overcome)
    4. Cito Culver - improving but not 40 man guaranteed
    5. Brady Lail - last year - surefire addition for Rule V protection - performance this year puts him likely outside the bubble
    6. Luis Torrens - premium position - but injury and Low A - too far away to worry about Rule V protection
    7. Rashad Crawford - 4th piece in Chapman trade - still too raw to be stashed to clog someone's 25 man roster despite improvement after trade
    8. Cesar Puello - Nice year - is there more inside him than AAAA OF? - wasn't added before he became MiL FA
    9. Donovan Solano - see Puello comment above for utility IF - dropped from 40 man

    While there are a couple of players who should slide up/down the scale - I'm sticking with the original list for consistency purposes.
    UPDATE - McCann TRADED, Higashioka & German added to 40 man roster; Mantiply claimed off waivers and Pinder DFA
    Last edited by groundhoggator; 11-18-16 at 11:09 PM.

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    Re: 2016 Rule V Eligibility & Draft

    Good summary of each organizations's top 30 prospects that need to be protected in advance of the draft.

    http://m.mlb.com/news/article/208914...icid=151437456

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    Re: 2016 Rule V Eligibility & Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by BomberBrian View Post
    Good summary of each organizations's top 30 prospects that need to be protected in advance of the draft.

    http://m.mlb.com/news/article/208914...icid=151437456
    Thaks for posting.


    Brewers, Phils and Tampa have 3 of their top 10 included. Arizona has 4 of their top 10. Phils actually have 4 of their top 11.


    I'm familiar with some of these kids. Looks like there might be some decent names available, although I have n0 insight into each teams 40 man roster preferences.

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    Re: 2016 Rule V Eligibility & Draft

    Tomorrow is the deadline to add Rule V eligible players... today the Yankees opened another spot by trading McCann to Houston.

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    Re: 2016 Rule V Eligibility & Draft

    Assuming they non-tender Eovaldi and Ackley, they will have three open 40-man slots.

    Mateo, Andujar and Enns?

    Maybe they don't project Enns and leave a spot open for a FA signing. It might be less risky to let Enns get picked and returned than DFA him later to accommodate a FA signing, exposing him to waivers.

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    Re: 2016 Rule V Eligibility & Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by Gusto View Post
    Assuming they non-tender Eovaldi and Ackley, they will have three open 40-man slots.

    Mateo, Andujar and Enns?

    Maybe they don't project Enns and leave a spot open for a FA signing. It might be less risky to let Enns get picked and returned than DFA him later to accommodate a FA signing, exposing him to waivers.

    Enns may not be returned. Someone, especially a non-contending team, could at worst stick him in the pen as the long man, while they develop him.

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    Re: 2016 Rule V Eligibility & Draft

    Eric Jagielo was left unprotected if you want to go down memory lane.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mbn007 View Post
    Enns may not be returned. Someone, especially a non-contending team, could at worst stick him in the pen as the long man, while they develop him.
    True, but if he's the 40th man, he'd be the first to be waived to make space = definitely not coming back.

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    Wow, Yankees protected Mateo, Andujar, Enns, Gio Gallegos, Ronald Herrera, Yefry Ramirez.

    Eovaldi, Mantiply, Rumbelow removed from 40 man. Pazos traded to SEA.

    Per MLBTR: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/1...ssignment.html

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    Re: 2016 Rule V Eligibility & Draft

    Coshow, Webb and Tarpley head my list of players to be Plucked away. Cale looked so good 2 years ago but he needs to keep the weight down. Teams will value that arm I'm sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankyfan View Post
    Coshow, Webb and Tarpley head my list of players to be Plucked away. Cale looked so good 2 years ago but he needs to keep the weight down. Teams will value that arm I'm sure.
    I agree on Webb, but I think Lail is almost a given to be selected given his proximity to the majors.
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    Cave is all but gone, too

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    Re: 2016 Rule V Eligibility & Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by Gusto View Post
    Cave is all but gone, too
    Only 3 I believe can be picked from 1 team. If Cave is chosen he will have the chance at FA after being selected a second time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankyfan View Post
    Only 3 I believe can be picked from 1 team. If Cave is chosen he will have the chance at FA after being selected a second time.
    It seems a team would pick him knowing that. Pick him, return him, resign him.

    Edit: Or does he go on waivers when he selects FA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gusto View Post
    It seems a team would pick him knowing that. Pick him, return him, resign him.

    Edit: Or does he go on waivers when he selects FA?
    As soon as he's released he's a FA. The 2nd time through the original team no longer has rights of refusal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by groundhoggator View Post
    As soon as he's released he's a FA. The 2nd time through the original team no longer has rights of refusal.
    Exactly. If I had an open 40-man spot, I'd pick him, negotiate a mL deal, return him, have him select FA then resign him to that deal.

    If I were Cave, I'd jump at a chance to get out of the NYY system. He'd been unprotected twice and there's no room for him to advance with the other OF prospects ahead of him.

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