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    Re: Election 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Nome View Post
    Let's see, Trump has alienated:
    the Media
    Women
    Hispanics
    Muslims
    Mainstream Republicans

    He has plenty of Grandious programs but no specifics. He always talks in superlatives. If by some chance he does get in the White House, he cannot accomplish anything without the support of Congress. It is unlikely he will be able to get anything.
    Through his entire campaign, anytime someone has said anything negative about him or his programs he lashes out with a vengeance. I have yet to hear him say anything good about anyone (except his immediate family). So why are the polls so favorable to him, because he is pandering to their base interests and fears.

    The next 11 months should be interesting. I predict that there will be dozens of books written about the Campaign of 2016.

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    I don't remember if I said it here yet (or in this thread), but I really hope there's a good book written on the inner circle of the RNC during these primaries and what they're thinking and doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_E View Post
    If you look at the last six presidential elections there are 18 states the Democrats have won all six times, totaling 242 EC Votes.

    The Republicans, 13 states, totaling 102 EC Votes

    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...ture-gop-says/

    Basically, the Democrats start needing just 28 votes to win. Florida holds 29 EC votes itself...and an interesting article (from 2001):
    I knew that the Dems had a big lead in the EC before election day, but I didn't realize it was this lopsided.

    However, we'll still be hearing how Minn/Mich/Penn/NJ will be in play and turning purple, if history repeats itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RhodyYanksFan View Post
    It is pretty amazing how when asked for specifics he's able to get away with saying "I'll handle it once I'm in office." and nobody calls him out on it. When asked how he'd deal with Putin he just says "we will get along great" with nothing to back that up. Just like Cruz this week said in response to Obama's comments on San Bernadino (paraphrasing) "I will direct the DoD to eliminate ISIS on day 1". Damn, is that all Obama has to do and he hasn't thought of just telling the military to fix it? What an idiot.

    Then when the media does ask follow ups they cry "liberal media bias!"
    I think they have too many other things to call him out on to call him out on policy specifics, too.
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    Re: Election 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Soriambi View Post
    I don't remember if I said it here yet (or in this thread), but I really hope there's a good book written on the inner circle of the RNC during these primaries and what they're thinking and doing.
    My guess is they continue to change strategies from week to week, which is likely resulting in a lot of heated arguments. They have to realize that Trump and Cruz are unelectable, so my guess is they're figuring out to play Rubio, Bush and Christie, in that order, once the first primaries are completed. But yes, it would be a great read, providing it captures everything. Some stuff may take many years to surface though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soriambi View Post
    I don't remember if I said it here yet (or in this thread), but I really hope there's a good book written on the inner circle of the RNC during these primaries and what they're thinking and doing.
    It's not exactly what you're asking, but for the last election (Romney vs Obama), there was a great book written by Mark Halperin and John Heileman(Bloomberg Politics). These two are regular guests on Morning Joe. It's a very good read.

    It focused heavily on the GOP primary and went into detail about the challenges of winning over the donors (including Trump), debates, attack ads, etc...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam18 View Post
    I don't think Obama has done much, and that's not really a knock against him. In this age any democratic president exists only to act as a buffer against republican insanity. So in that sense Obama has accomplished a lot but he hasn't gotten anything progressive done (the healthcare act is a joke). Congress passes the laws and congress has been thoroughly right wing since LBJ's time it seems. Until young people/minorities/women realize that voting in EVERY election is important nothing much will change. I can guarantee you that a Bernie Sanders or a Hilary Clinton presidency will be indistinguishable from the last 8 years. The country will limp along without taking any steps backwards but nothing much will change for the better.
    I tend to agree with your assessment, and I'll add that I was especially disappointed by how much he got done when he had legislative supermajorities and a bunch of political capital. Since then, not really his fault, as you said. I will say, though, that it's fairly revealing how low his approval rating is, given the fact that when you look at the time period of his Presidency on paper, things that generally improve a President's popularity have been happening.

    Most significantly, the economy has improved tremendously since he took office, and that was one of the main reasons he was elected in the first place. I think that's generally out of a President's hands in most ways, but the guy in office almost always tends to get the (unwarranted) credit or blame, and it seems Obama hasn't gotten much of that. Also mostly out of a President's hands, but there also haven't been any huge scale terrorist attacks in the United States during his time in office, and you'd think he'd get more of a bump from the Bin Laden thing, even if, again, it was mostly happenstance that he was involved and it was mostly symbolic.

    If, say, Mitt Romney or Joe Biden had served an identical Presidency, I suspect they'd be at 60+% approval rating. I'm not sure how much of it is a racial thing, how much is the constant attacks from the other side of the political aisle (both verbally and procedurally) effectively altering opinions, or how much of it is for other reasons I haven't considered.
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    Re: Election 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by melon View Post
    It's not exactly what you're asking, but for the last election (Romney vs Obama), there was a great book written by Mark Halperin and John Heileman(Bloomberg Politics). These two are regular guests on Morning Joe. It's a very good read.

    It focused heavily on the GOP primary and went into detail about the challenges of winning over the donors (including Trump), debates, attack ads, etc...



    Thanks. That looks interesting. I was specifically saying for this particular election, though. I'd love to know all the details of what's going in behind the scenes in the RNC right now with Trump, Cruz, and Carson adding up to over 60% of the vote.
    -Kevin

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    Re: Election 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Soriambi View Post
    If, say, Mitt Romney or Joe Biden had served an identical Presidency, I suspect they'd be at 60+% approval rating. I'm not sure how much of it is a racial thing, how much is the constant attacks from the other side of the political aisle (both verbally and procedurally) effectively altering opinions, or how much of it is for other reasons I haven't considered.
    I think it's a typical case of Democrats not controlling the message. For the last 20+ years they have let the GOP control the media, and they do a damn good job of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by melon View Post
    Wow, I didn't realize that they were all so mature. Christie is 2 years older than Carly? That's surprising.

    Obviously, these guys wear a lot of makeup before getting in front of the camera.
    I'm sure that was just a typo on Big_E's part with Christie's age. He's 53, not 63.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldee5 View Post
    I'm sure that was just a typo on Big_E's part with Christie's age. He's 53, not 63.
    Yes, sorry...He was born in '62, making him 53, and I combined that to make him 63.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman23 View Post
    If Hillary wins I'm moving to Canada, eh.
    But you're ok with Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredgmuggs View Post
    I don't know what I'm going to do but it's going to be terrific.
    Pretty much.

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    You have elevated the discourse. Thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Big_E View Post
    There's already talk of a brokered convention.
    Clearly you didn't read the opening post in the thread. It was mentioned there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlw1980 View Post
    But you're ok with Trump?
    or Bernie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam18 View Post
    I don't think Obama has done much, and that's not really a knock against him. In this age any democratic president exists only to act as a buffer against republican insanity. So in that sense Obama has accomplished a lot but he hasn't gotten anything progressive done (the healthcare act is a joke). Congress passes the laws and congress has been thoroughly right wing since LBJ's time it seems. Until young people/minorities/women realize that voting in EVERY election is important nothing much will change. I can guarantee you that a Bernie Sanders or a Hilary Clinton presidency will be indistinguishable from the last 8 years. The country will limp along without taking any steps backwards but nothing much will change for the better.
    I like to think Bernie would get stuff done, but you're probably right. With Congress as it is, it's unlikely.

    Quote Originally Posted by melon View Post
    Wow, I didn't realize that they were all so mature. Christie is 2 years older than Carly? That's surprising.

    Obviously, these guys wear a lot of makeup before getting in front of the camera.
    I love how you said "mature" instead of "old."

    Quote Originally Posted by Bub View Post
    My guess is they continue to change strategies from week to week, which is likely resulting in a lot of heated arguments. They have to realize that Trump and Cruz are unelectable, so my guess is they're figuring out to play Rubio, Bush and Christie, in that order, once the first primaries are completed. But yes, it would be a great read, providing it captures everything. Some stuff may take many years to surface though.
    I'd add Carson to the list of the unelectable. Things could get ugly if they're seen as not honoring the will of the primary voters, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RhodyYanksFan View Post
    And it'll be way better than Obama!

    I love hearing them spin how awful Obama's been meanwhile the stock market is record high, corporate profits are at record highs, "official" unemployment is lower than what Romney said he'd have it at by 2016 (I know those figures are fungible and don't take everything in to consideration), gas prices are down to $2, and people have more civil rights than they did in 2008. He's the world's worst socialist dictator.
    The President controls the stock market and gas prices?
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    The President controls the stock market and gas prices?
    Yes....if you listened to the Hannity show in '09.

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    The Two Leading Presidential Candidates -- Clinton And Trump -- Are Both Mocking Free Speech On The Internet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soriambi View Post
    Thanks. That looks interesting. I was specifically saying for this particular election, though. I'd love to know all the details of what's going in behind the scenes in the RNC right now with Trump, Cruz, and Carson adding up to over 60% of the vote.
    I'm also looking forward to reading some good books on this election and will keep you abreast of what I discover.

    Karl Rove has a book that he's been promoting about William McKinley, and tying it into this election. I'm passing.





    This is the other book that I'm aware of. Coppins is probably an author looking to be first, but doesn't have too much to report yet, outside of backgrounds and predictions. I'm also passing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21stAmendment View Post
    Sure it's a good book, but I can't think of a bigger tool in NY/DC political news than Mark Halperin
    Marc Thiessen?

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    Re: Election 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by RhodyYanksFan View Post
    And it'll be way better than Obama!

    I love hearing them spin how awful Obama's been meanwhile the stock market is record high, corporate profits are at record highs, "official" unemployment is lower than what Romney said he'd have it at by 2016 (I know those figures are fungible and don't take everything in to consideration), gas prices are down to $2, and people have more civil rights than they did in 2008. He's the world's worst socialist dictator.


    And people forget that the day Obama took office the Republicans left us in a financial mess. Most economists felt we were heading for a depression worse than 1929.
    Many of President Obama's programs weren't popular with many people, but they worked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlw1980 View Post
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    I'd add Carson to the list of the unelectable. Things could get ugly if they're seen as not honoring the will of the primary voters, though.
    He's so off the charts unelectable I didn't think to include him in the discussion. It's funny how one half of his brain is brilliant and the other half is total mush.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlw1980 View Post
    I'd add Carson to the list of the unelectable. Things could get ugly if they're seen as not honoring the will of the primary voters, though.
    Bush too. No way America makes the same mistake THREE times, is there?
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    I'm now eligible to vote! Too bad I don't like anyone. I think Trump would bring the most change - for better or worse - and many people view him as worth the risk I guess (going off current polls). I like his immigration plan but his foreign policies scare me.

    Cruz is boring and he has an ugly smirk.

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    That is extremely disturbing. I'd like to see others' comments on this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bub View Post
    He's so off the charts unelectable I didn't think to include him in the discussion. It's funny how one half of his brain is brilliant and the other half is total mush.
    I don't think he's any more unelectable than DT or TC. I find it bizarre that someone so brilliant also could think that Joseph built the pyramids to store grain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlw1980 View Post

    I don't think he's any more unelectable than DT or TC.
    I actually think Cruz is the most electable of the three, even if it's kind of by default at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlw1980 View Post
    That is extremely disturbing. I'd like to see others' comments on this.



    I don't think he's any more unelectable than DT or TC. I find it bizarre that someone so brilliant also could think that Joseph built the pyramids to store grain.
    It's really not surprising if you've gotten to know surgeons.

    They're not to say, overrated, but they simplest difference between a surgeon and an equally, well educated doctor is how they handle the sight of blood. That's the primary reason that keeps the primary care or specialist in the private practice or doing rounds in the hospital. There are many justified reasons why seasons nurses are more valuable to well functioning medical facilities than doctors, too.

    Having said all that, Carson's an idiot.

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