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    Re: Election 2016

    For me the elections recently have been laughable in this country. I became a citizen right before GWB's 2nd term. I was only allowed a provisional ballot in 2004.

    I am a registered Republican.

    In 2008 I refused to put Sarah Palin 1 step away from being the president; that was just unacceptable to me. In 2012; the various levels of dishonesty displayed by Romney I just could not abide by. I have voted for a Democratic presidential candidate since I was granted the right to vote.

    Once again, I look at the field of candidates on "my" side. I cannot believe how far the party I identify has been co-opted. The mere fact that Trump is leading with Republican voters is truly disheartening and almost guarantees that Hillary will win.

    Hillary in the White House is not what I would call ideal. Bernie is a much better option. That being said, if Trump is the candidate on the GOP side I will have little choice but to vote for whomever is on the Democratic side.

    In my opinion it will be quite difficult for the GOP to ever win the executive office with the type of politics their candidates are pursuing. That said, the extremes will continue to polarize and as such the GOP in my opinion will continue to win a good portion of congress. Fear is so easy to manipulate. Governors will likely be the main point of contention.

    I truly wonder how long the tea party "movement" will continue. The people who vote for this type of candidate, in general, seem to be voting against their own interests. This cannot last, as eventually those that win will alienate those that voted them in.

    Anyway, once again it seems I'll be voting against the party that is allegedly supposed to represent me. It's a rather sad state of affairs.
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    If Hillary wins I'm moving to Canada, eh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman23 View Post
    If Hillary wins I'm moving to Canada, eh.
    And that's how I feel about Trump lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman23 View Post
    the unwritten rules of the NYYFans forum. You're expected to know them. If you break one you'll know because your next post you'll get knocked on your ass. We police ourselves.
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    Re: Election 2016

    Let's see, Trump has alienated:
    the Media
    Women
    Hispanics
    Muslims
    Mainstream Republicans

    He has plenty of Grandious programs but no specifics. He always talks in superlatives. If by some chance he does get in the White House, he cannot accomplish anything without the support of Congress. It is unlikely he will be able to get anything.
    Through his entire campaign, anytime someone has said anything negative about him or his programs he lashes out with a vengeance. I have yet to hear him say anything good about anyone (except his immediate family). So why are the polls so favorable to him, because he is pandering to their base interests and fears.

    The next 11 months should be interesting. I predict that there will be dozens of books written about the Campaign of 2016.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nome View Post
    Let's see, Trump has alienated:
    the Media
    Women
    Hispanics
    Muslims
    Mainstream Republicans

    He has plenty of Grandious programs but no specifics. He always talks in superlatives. If by some chance he does get in the White House, he cannot accomplish anything without the support of Congress. It is unlikely he will be able to get anything.
    Through his entire campaign, anytime someone has said anything negative about him or his programs he lashes out with a vengeance. I have yet to hear him say anything good about anyone (except his immediate family). So why are the polls so favorable to him, because he is pandering to their base interests and fears.

    The next 11 months should be interesting. I predict that there will be dozens of books written about the Campaign of 2016.

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    It is pretty amazing how when asked for specifics he's able to get away with saying "I'll handle it once I'm in office." and nobody calls him out on it. When asked how he'd deal with Putin he just says "we will get along great" with nothing to back that up. Just like Cruz this week said in response to Obama's comments on San Bernadino (paraphrasing) "I will direct the DoD to eliminate ISIS on day 1". Damn, is that all Obama has to do and he hasn't thought of just telling the military to fix it? What an idiot.

    Then when the media does ask follow ups they cry "liberal media bias!"

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    Re: Election 2016

    I was having this discussion with my wife earlier: Should age be a factor in voting?

    Bernie Sanders is 74.
    Hillary Clinton is 68.

    Donald Trump is 69
    Ben Carson is 64
    John Kasich is 63
    John Ellis Bush is 62
    Carly Fiorina is 61
    Lindsey Graham is 60
    Mike Huckabee is 60
    Chris Christie is 53
    Rand Paul is 52
    Rafael Cruz is 44
    Marco Rubio is 44
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_E View Post
    I was having this discussion with my wife earlier: Should age be a factor in voting?

    Bernie Sanders is 74.
    Hillary Clinton is 68.

    Donald Trump is 69
    Ben Carson is 64
    Chris Christie is 63
    John Kasich is 63
    John Ellis Bush is 62
    Carly Fiorina is 61
    Lindsey Graham is 60
    Mike Huckabee is 60
    Rand Paul is 52
    Rafael Cruz is 44
    Marco Rubio is 44
    The older the candidate is the more important their VP choice is. If 73 year old McCain didn't make the worst pick in history things might have turned out different for him in 2008. Once he picked Palin as his VP he lost any chance of me voting for him if for no other reason than he had more of a chance of dying in office than someone 20 years younger.

    I still think McCain shoulda won in 2000 but GWB and Rove did some disgusting things in SC that derailed his campaign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RhodyYanksFan View Post
    It is pretty amazing how when asked for specifics he's able to get away with saying "I'll handle it once I'm in office." and nobody calls him out on it. When asked how he'd deal with Putin he just says "we will get along great" with nothing to back that up. Just like Cruz this week said in response to Obama's comments on San Bernadino (paraphrasing) "I will direct the DoD to eliminate ISIS on day 1". Damn, is that all Obama has to do and he hasn't thought of just telling the military to fix it? What an idiot.

    Then when the media does ask follow ups they cry "liberal media bias!"
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    Can he (or anyone) provide a link to community standards here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soriambi View Post
    You keep saying this as if it means something. As long as the CS are being enforced, we still have CS, even if there's no link to them any more. Think of them as National Security laws or something. You can't see them, but they're there.
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    Or Soriambi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RhodyYanksFan View Post
    The older the candidate is the more important their VP choice is. If 73 year old McCain didn't make the worst pick in history things might have turned out different for him in 2008. Once he picked Palin as his VP he lost any chance of me voting for him if for no other reason than he had more of a chance of dying in office than someone 20 years younger.
    True. They say every year in the WH ages you by about 2-3 years. President Obama is 54. He was 47 in 2008.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RhodyYanksFan View Post
    The older the candidate is the more important their VP choice is. If 73 year old McCain didn't make the worst pick in history things might have turned out different for him in 2008. Once he picked Palin as his VP he lost any chance of me voting for him if for no other reason than he had more of a chance of dying in office than someone 20 years younger.

    I still think McCain shoulda won in 2000 but GWB and Rove did some disgusting things in SC that derailed his campaign.
    It wasn't just Palin in 2008. There was the whole "economy tanking" thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    It wasn't just Palin in 2008. There was the whole "economy tanking" thing.
    He also suspended his campaign during the crisis for a short while. But the first presidential decision you make is your running mate. McCain picked Palin. Obama picked Biden. One was a cheerleader who quit every job she had (and went to 7 colleges - talk about not keeping a commitment) versus Biden, with decades of leadership experience.
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    First Trump has zero chance in the general election and I believe the GOP leadership know this more than anyone. He will only get the far right vote and to win you need to capture the unaffiliated vote. But if Trump and Carson leave the GOP and run as independents that would be the best news for the Democrats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YankeePride1967 View Post
    First Trump has zero chance in the general election and I believe the GOP leadership know this more than anyone. He will only get the far right vote and to win you need to capture the unaffiliated vote. But if Trump and Carson leave the GOP and run as independents that would be the best news for the Democrats.
    There's already talk of a brokered convention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_E View Post
    So CS are like a never-ending, always-reappearing, birthday thread?
    Kind of. The biggest difference it that the CS tend to be right.
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    Re: Election 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by fredgmuggs View Post
    I don't know what I'm going to do but it's going to be terrific.
    And it'll be way better than Obama!

    I love hearing them spin how awful Obama's been meanwhile the stock market is record high, corporate profits are at record highs, "official" unemployment is lower than what Romney said he'd have it at by 2016 (I know those figures are fungible and don't take everything in to consideration), gas prices are down to $2, and people have more civil rights than they did in 2008. He's the world's worst socialist dictator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RhodyYanksFan View Post
    And it'll be way better than Obama!

    I love hearing them spin how awful Obama's been meanwhile the stock market is record high, corporate profits are at record highs, "official" unemployment is lower than what Romney said he'd have it at by 2016 (I know those figures are fungible and don't take everything in to consideration), gas prices are down to $2, and people have more civil rights than they did in 2008. He's the world's worst socialist dictator.
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    Re: Election 2016

    I don't think Obama has done much, and that's not really a knock against him. In this age any democratic president exists only to act as a buffer against republican insanity. So in that sense Obama has accomplished a lot but he hasn't gotten anything progressive done (the healthcare act is a joke). Congress passes the laws and congress has been thoroughly right wing since LBJ's time it seems. Until young people/minorities/women realize that voting in EVERY election is important nothing much will change. I can guarantee you that a Bernie Sanders or a Hilary Clinton presidency will be indistinguishable from the last 8 years. The country will limp along without taking any steps backwards but nothing much will change for the better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam18 View Post
    I don't think Obama has done much, and that's not really a knock against him. In this age any democratic president exists only to act as a buffer against republican insanity. So in that sense Obama has accomplished a lot but he hasn't gotten anything progressive done (the healthcare act is a joke). Congress passes the laws and congress has been thoroughly right wing since LBJ's time it seems. Until young people/minorities/women realize that voting in EVERY election is important nothing much will change. I can guarantee you that a Bernie Sanders or a Hilary Clinton presidency will be indistinguishable from the last 8 years. The country will limp along without taking any steps backwards but nothing much will change for the better.
    The healthcare act has been great for my family.

    But...with an obstructive congress there is not much he can accomplish.

    It's not only voting in every election, but repairing the election process. Pennsylvania, for example, with a huge GOP majority in Congress, is one of the most heavily gerrymandered states. But until a democratic governor gets a democratic legislature, that won't change.

    Maryland another example.

    An article in 2014 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...nal-districts/) said the Democrats were underrepresented by 18 seats after the 2012 election...that would have given them a 219-216 advantage, instead of a 234-201 disadvantage.

    That's why I put winning the State governorships and State legislatures ahead of winning the House. The Democrats will have a hard time in the House without redrawing the districts after the 2020 census.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_E View Post
    I was having this discussion with my wife earlier: Should age be a factor in voting?

    Bernie Sanders is 74.
    Hillary Clinton is 68.

    Donald Trump is 69
    Ben Carson is 64
    Chris Christie is 63
    John Kasich is 63
    John Ellis Bush is 62
    Carly Fiorina is 61
    Lindsey Graham is 60
    Mike Huckabee is 60
    Rand Paul is 52
    Rafael Cruz is 44
    Marco Rubio is 44
    Wow, I didn't realize that they were all so mature. Christie is 2 years older than Carly? That's surprising.

    Obviously, these guys wear a lot of makeup before getting in front of the camera.
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