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10-04-15 02:48 PM #76
Re: Another day, another mass shooting in America
I'm with Tim on this. I'm all for NJ-level checks on guns. NY (outside of the city) is reasonable as well, except for the useless assault weapons thing Cuomo pushed through.
The problem is you often can't tell who is crazy through a background check if they haven't previously done something to put themselves in the system. However, this doesn't mean they shouldn't be done.
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10-04-15 02:50 PM #77
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10-04-15 02:52 PM #78
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Do you advocate people with violent criminal records, or past evidence of mental or social instability be allowed to have and own guns?
I am all for testing everyone who wants to purchase a weapon for IQ and setting a standard for rejection, for testing for mental instability and for antisocial attitudes and anything else that would help to prevent what we have seen in our society. Simply stated, not everyone deserves to own a gun. And in the case of the Oregonian shooter, does it make any sense whatsoever for anyone to have 13 or more firearms?
Again why should any citizen not in military or law inforcement have an automatic weapon like an Uzi?
I am tired of this subject and will not comment further. I simply do not understand why we let congress, the NRA and the munitions industry have their way.
"Guns don't kill people, people kill people".
What a crock of bull dung. I tried to use an acronym for Seton Hall Institute of Technology, but they wouldn't let me.
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10-04-15 02:53 PM #79
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Right... or perhaps they are sane at the time of acquisition and things go downhill over the years... who knows? That said, it makes absolute sense to at least prevent guns from going into the hands of people that can be clearly identified as mentally unstable and/or with a history of violence at the time they are trying to get their hands on one. I can't understand what logical argument ANYONE has against that.
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10-04-15 02:58 PM #80
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No. I've said in pretty much every post I've made on this topic (including this one you're replying to) that background checks and other no-brainer measures should be implemented. I just don't think it's going to solve this particular problem.
I am all for testing everyone who wants to purchase a weapon for IQ and setting a standard for rejection, for testing for mental instability and for antisocial attitudes and anything else that would help to prevent what we have seen in our society. Simply stated, not everyone deserves to own a gun. And in the case of the Oregonian shooter, does it make any sense whatsoever for anyone to have 13 or more firearms?
Again why should any citizen not in military or law inforcement have an automatic weapon like an Uzi?
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10-04-15 02:58 PM #81
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10-04-15 03:05 PM #82
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A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.- Barry Manilow
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10-04-15 03:05 PM #83
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10-04-15 03:12 PM #84
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Fully automatic weapons are regulated on a federal level. You need to apply through the ATF, and pay for a special tax stamp to purchase these weapons. The ATF does an extensive background check. After all this, you are not allowed to purchase any weapon registered after May 1986, so there is a limited number of these guns and they cost thousands of dollars. They are generally held by collectors and gun clubs and rarely are--I don't want to say never-- but nearly never used in the commission of a crime.
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10-04-15 03:16 PM #85
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10-04-15 03:17 PM #86
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10-04-15 03:20 PM #87
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10-04-15 03:21 PM #88
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http://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback
In 2011, Harvard's David Hemenway and Mary Vriniotis reviewed the research on Australia's suicide and homicide rate after the NFA. Their conclusion was clear: "The NFA seems to have been incredibly successful in terms of lives saved."
What they found is a decline in both suicide and homicide rates after the NFA. The average firearm suicide rate in Australia in the seven years after the bill declined by 57 percent compared with the seven years prior. The average firearm homicide rate went down by about 42 percent.Fantasy Baseball: Larrupin' Lou's
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10-04-15 03:22 PM #89
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10-04-15 03:26 PM #90
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Another link:
1997, suicide in Australia 23.3 per 100,000 of population
2013, suicide in Australia 16.4 per 100,000 of population
(30% decline)
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10-04-15 03:45 PM #91
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Yogi is a National Treasure. Let's put him in a National Hall of Fame. The man has no peers.
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10-04-15 04:11 PM #92
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In 2011, Harvard's David Hemenway and Mary Vriniotis reviewed the research on Australia's suicide and homicide rate after the NFA. Their conclusion was clear: "The NFA seems to have been incredibly successful in terms of lives saved."
What they found is a decline in both suicide and homicide rates after the NFA. The average firearm suicide rate in Australia in the seven years after the bill declined by 57 percent compared with the seven years prior. The average firearm homicide rate went down by about 42 percent.
EDIT: BTW, I don't see what suicide has to do with this discussion.
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10-04-15 04:12 PM #93
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10-04-15 04:13 PM #94
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Here's a good article: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014...95470446855466
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10-04-15 04:24 PM #95
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10-04-15 04:51 PM #96
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10-04-15 05:09 PM #97
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Gun availability definitely affects suicide rates. Not the attempts so much, because it's true that people who want to attempt suicide have any number of available methods. But guns are exceptionally effective, and - if available - are easy to use impulsively.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-ma...case-fatality/A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.- Barry Manilow
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10-04-15 05:18 PM #98
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OK, but that has little to do with the safety of the general public. Unless someone decides to shoot themselves while they are in an elevator with you or something, at which point your hypothetical death will be ruled a homicide.
I think we're getting off the topic of 'mass shootings'.
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10-04-15 05:31 PM #99
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10-04-15 05:41 PM #100
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